Act 4 Countdown Confidence Objectives

[Forblaze]

Up to this point, I've been able to complete all of the confidence objectives in a single game. Mission 1, section 5 (titled Countdown) doesn't seem possible though. Dall's needs 30 knockback inflicted and Jen needs 10 defenstrations in 3 turns. These seem to be at odds with eachother, with Dall's wanting a lot of long (and probably lethal) horizontal charges and Jen's wanting small pushes off ledges.

Do I just accept I have to do pick one or is there a solution I'm not seeing?

[The Trashman]

Any defenestration counts towards Jen's total, she doesn't have to get all 10 herself.

Is that the train level? I found the confidence challenges on that a big step up in difficulty compared to previous levels, but did get both in the end

[Arakus]

IIRC my solution to this involved contriving a setup with Dall (with Rampage II) charging up and down across the bridge you can make between the trains, and using Transference (with Genius Grant) to send that knockback to other enemies that can be defenestrated (if you can only get an enemy lined up on one end of the charge line, you can still charge back and forth multiple times using the riot block, or false prophet clones with the thing that gives you mana back, or maybe by fiddling with swap and telephasing or using movement)

Also iirc you can afford to not defenestrate 2 enemies in the first 3 turns, so if you rlly need to take someone out another way it might be okay, especially if it leaves you in a good position to do a setup like the one mentioned or similar

Oh and also just remembered I had Momentum on Dall, which obviously helps (charge feels underwhelming without it imo)

[Patroklos]

I didn't have momentum, I had no trouble doing both of those objectives first try on hard, though hard may have more enemies - you should have something like 16 enemies total, 4 per turn and the initial enemies.

It's always interesting seeing people talk about perks I would never consider. Though I guess recall is a perk I could get rid of, I found Dall's build too tight to get momentum.

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by Arakus:

IIRC my solution to this involved contriving a setup with Dall (with Rampage II) charging up and down across the bridge you can make between the trains, and using Transference (with Genius Grant) to send that knockback to other enemies that can be defenestrated (if you can only get an enemy lined up on one end of the charge line, you can still charge back and forth multiple times using the riot block, or false prophet clones with the thing that gives you mana back, or maybe by fiddling with swap and telephasing or using movement)

Also iirc you can afford to not defenestrate 2 enemies in the first 3 turns, so if you rlly need to take someone out another way it might be okay, especially if it leaves you in a good position to do a setup like the one mentioned or similar

Oh and also just remembered I had Momentum on Dall, which obviously helps (charge feels underwhelming without it imo)

Thanks. Genius Grant was definitely the piece I was missing. I was totally sleeping on its utility of transferring knockback to enemies that are ordinarily inaccessible.

[yamidamian]

you don't need to do all the confidence goals at once. You still get full confidence if you do Dall's on one run, and Jen on another.

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by yamidamian:

you don't need to do all the confidence goals at once. You still get full confidence if you do Dall's on one run, and Jen on another.

Yeah. But like, I want to.

[Big Mad Wolf]

So far I always had the impression, that Jen needed to do fenestrations herself. If other did them, the counter did not seem to change.

[Patroklos]

Originally posted by Big Mad Wolf:

So far I always had the impression, that Jen needed to do fenestrations herself. If other did them, the counter did not seem to change.

Some missions care, some don't. This one is just 10 total defenestrations.