Speed 25km/h or 40km/h

[Ironman]

Hi,

How do we know, when we start at a train station, if the allowed speed is 25km/h or 40km/h.

Cheers,
Daniel

[rkk]

I had the same issues when I started learning the Indusi. It has a certain timing to it. Do not hit the enter key before you cross the 1000 Hz magnet. Immediately (or within 3 seconds) after you cross it, hold down enter on numpad for around 1 second then release it and you will see the 1000hz light turn on and the 85 lamp flashing. You now have to get under 85 km/h in under 23 seconds. The PZB train protection will monitor you and verify that you are braking sufficiently within a braking curve, of which you can check out in the graphs after you finish.


After 700m, if you are under 85 km/h, the 1000hz light will turn off. You still must stay under 85 and prepare to slow down further to 65 km/h, however ....

Should the main signal ahead change from red to green or yellow to green, release your train from Indusi monitoring by hitting the . key on the keypad. You can now proceed up to line speed again.

Be careful not to release yourself from Indusi because if the light up ahead is red and you cross the 500hz magnet that is activated without being under Indusi, your locomotive will go into full emergency and shut down.

Good and simple guide on the Indusi..
http://www.sh1.org/eisenbahn/rindusi.htm

[Igor]

Originally posted by Graubart:

Best to press the key and hold it while passing the signal/magnet.

THANK YOU ! I thought I had a couple of seconds to press when passing the signal. I just tried pressing it while passing the sigal, and all went well.

[Igor]

Originally posted by rainsong11:

Do not hit the enter key before you cross the 1000 Hz magnet. Immediately (or within 3 seconds) after you cross it, hold down enter on numpad for around 1 second then release it and you will see the 1000hz light turn on and the 85 lamp flashing.

Oh ok. I think I was releasing the button too early, then. By pressing it just before the signal, and keeping it pressed until I passed the signal, all went well. But I didn't look at the 1000Hz lamp.
I will now try pressing the button at the signal and wait for the 1000Hz lamp to turn on.

[spoon66]

Originally posted by Graubart:

Vigilance button should be the Enter key on your keyboard. You have to press it while you pass a 1000 Hz magnet, which you can see in the track. There ios no acustic signal, to tell you when to press the button. PZB expects you to be able to recognize the magnet in the track and confirm it properly, otherwise the system believes you are unable to safely drive the train. Best to press the key and hold it while passing the signal/magnet. Failure to confirm the magnet will result in emergency braking.

Yeap the three bottom Key on the Numeric pad not the normal enter Key .
Zero to Enter Î am using a German Key layout so the lableing is different . correct unlike Sifa there is no flashing light and no audio warning and the system kicks in very quickly.

But those three key control everything trian protection including the resting of the system in the event of an emergency event .

Then you basically need to rest the brake levers to on . all levers to do with throttle have be moved to zero .

1) Zero Key is Train protection Order.

2)Coma Train Protection Release (rest button)

3) Enter Train Protection Acknowlegement . the one that must be pressed when you pass a signal under any Orange light . you must active this system before the end of the last wagon passes the PZB .

Sifa is Space Bar

Other important Buttons

Q ) Train Protection ETCS Acknowlegement protection.

LZB Indicator (G)
LZB Indicator Fault (Y)

Print the controls out they can be found in main Zusi Menu in Config menu input controls their you can print it all out .

Use short routes at first also you the Route plan time table it will list the line speeds though these may differ if you are driving a goods train over a passanger train the speeds will be lower for the goods train over the max line speed .

Goods train i think are limited to max 110 Km/H so be carefull when going of the Signals line speed numbers.
read the manuel it is in English at least now I had to use Translate to figure it out a few years back.

But you need to understand your displays for speed limits and PZB these tend to flash when under orange lights and are a good indications that you have activated a train protection system.

The manual is full of important info even though its not the full version compared to the Hobby version or the Pro version.

Train Time table is very important it not only lists the route but the stop times and line speeds
also warning on work been done along the route.

Things to look for Station exit speed limits. all listed in column 1 distance before next Speed change .
Column 2 max speed for each section along the route.
Column 3a stations along the route plus station speed limits

A60 ok the translation is not that good here in the English version.
Basical its 40km/h at HP 2 with some exception up to 60km/h the info is always in the Number A60 so max 60 km/h you will also see others like A50 always better to stay just under the max limit .
Best just go off what the signal signs is saying but just stay safe at 40 km/h when not sure until you are clear of the station before moving to the line speed for that section.

Column 3b is part of 3a like a said a little rusty with Zusi 3

4&5 is all about arrivel and departures.

There is more info in these time tables to but that is why you have to read the manual.

TS 2019 it is not




I hope i have helped a little Zusi is quite deep takes a while to get things running .

[Igor]

Thanks a lot all for your help. I was able to complete a couple of routes in Intermediate difficulty.
Still a lot to learn though. This is such a great simulator.

Originally posted by spoon66:

TS 2019 it is not

And this is why this is a great simulator. I have TS since its 2017 version, never really liked it. Although they were free updates, I never launched the 2018 and 2019 version. Now I know why... :-)

[spoon66]

Originally posted by Igor:

Thanks a lot all for your help. I was able to complete a couple of routes in Intermediate difficulty.
Still a lot to learn though. This is such a great simulator.

Originally posted by spoon66:

TS 2019 it is not

And this is why this is a great simulator. I have TS since its 2017 version, never really liked it. Although they were free updates, I never launched the 2018 and 2019 version. Now I know why... :-)

Been championing Zusi 3 since its long beta time.

I to started with TS 2010 but got put off with DTG attitude that saw me getting banned from their Forums over what I saw as their rip off DLC and lack of bug fixing.

I then moved onto Open Rails and even the original Trainsim with mods even a Polish Train sim called Machine .

Zusi 3 is a sim the Ai is amzeing just to whach its a great learning tool .
I have lived in Germany since 2009 I now have a far better understanding of Train operations and signs . than before.

[rkk]

I played Train Simulator from 14-18, then switched to Train Sim World. I've always felt like something was lacking in that but didn't know better. Like there was no soul to it, just decent graphics. Then I found out about Zusi 3 last month thanks to Aerosoft's English version/Steam.

The physics and braking feel so nice in Zusi. What Zusi lacks in graphics, which to be honest, isn't that bad at all, it makes up for in the details of the train driving itself.

[spoon66]

Originally posted by rainsong11:

I played Train Simulator from 14-18, then switched to Train Sim World. I've always felt like something was lacking in that but didn't know better. Like there was no soul to it, just decent graphics. Then I found out about Zusi 3 last month thanks to Aerosoft's English version/Steam.

The physics and braking feels so nice in Zusi. What Zusi lacks in graphics, which to be honest, isn't that bad at all, it makes up for in the details of the train driving itself.

Way to going on inside the cab to really worry about the graphics I find and all that Eye candy comes at the cost of real sim features , that is something lots forget and something that the developer of Zusi has talked about many times in the past .

[Graubart]

In ZUsi I usually do not have time to care about scenery graphics ;-). That's because it is a good simulation, that keeps you really busy all the time.

[rkk]

I do hope that they add other environmental effects though besides the fog. Rain and sun glare would be nice. It doesn't have to be nice fancy effects like TSW, but just something to hinder the vision.

[spoon66]

Originally posted by rainsong11:

I do hope that they add other environmental effects though besides the fog. Rain and sun glare would be nice. It doesn't have to be nice fancy effects like TSW, but just something to hinder the vision.

Yes that may be so but those effects will impact on the Simulations depth under current PC processing limits Zusi is shifting a lot of Ai Traffic this is real world traffic built off real world DB and Private rail companies .

Plus everything impacts on the time table random events train brake downs . track work and every time you has a player stops because you trip a safty brake means you then delay other trains too.

that in turn means adaptive AI for the Trains the Signals and all the junctions .
lots of things that do not happen is TS this is very much a comercial product aimed at been a cheaper training tool for private Rail companies .

Deutsche Bahn have their own super computer based trainers .

its is a trade off you should see Zusi 2 to see how far this has come, and i can see vast changes
after coming back after a year.

Yes some of the cabs still need upgrading but I think most of the modern trains now have 3D cabs .

I doubt we will get any weather if at all before Zusi 4 happens and knowing how long the developers took to build Zusi 3 you could be waiting a good ten years.

Though i now hope with a bigger market thanks to Steam they can grow a bigger development team maybe bring in some of those people who have spent years constructing routes and time table along with cabs and trains for free.

[spoon66]

Yeap now back trying to get back use to playing this hard simulation.

Ran two routes this evening running Goods trains one current E Train and 70's Train.
had a lots of signal errors on my part and at least 9 train protection fails .

Just trying to remember all the keys needed to make the train run never mind using the time table guide and then a few random events along the ways.

You just have to marvel at the amount of Ai in this sim I was running some route in and around the part of Germany I live in since moving here .

I know some of these routes North Germany around Hamburg a major Goods hub and major comuter hub . Germany's most used main train station with an avg of 440.000 people a day passing through so these lines are very active.

And they feel the same in the sim.

One other think I remembered today is some of the older electrics can trip their fuses if you overload the motors they trip out so you then need to reset them too . Key (H) fixes that issue.

Great simulation though.

[Ironman]

Thank you very much to all of you for your help. I tried to play that route with train number 90654. I started at 45km/h and no emergency brake was triggered :-)

[rkk]

"A60 ok the translation is not that good here in the English version.
Basical its 40km/h at HP 2 with some exception up to 60km/h the info is always in the Number A60 so max 60 km/h you will also see others like A50 always better to stay just under the max limit .
Best just go off what the signal signs is saying but just stay safe at 40 km/h when not sure until you are clear of the station before moving to the line speed for that section."


Yes from my research, the A60 means that there is an exception for that specific Ausfahrsignal, or exit signal when departing the station. Some busy stations require trains to depart quicker to keep the flow moving. Generally, it's 40 km/h when exiting until your train has passed the points zone, then you can speed up. Unless A60, then you can go straight up to 60 km/h.

From the EBula or timetable,

Asig is for Ausfahrsignal / Exit signal
Esig is for Einfahrsignal / Entry signal
Zzig is for Zwischenfahrsignal / Intermediate signal for big stations with various sub stations like the one in Leverkusen.

[spoon66]

Originally posted by rainsong11:

"A60 ok the translation is not that good here in the English version.
Basical its 40km/h at HP 2 with some exception up to 60km/h the info is always in the Number A60 so max 60 km/h you will also see others like A50 always better to stay just under the max limit .
Best just go off what the signal signs is saying but just stay safe at 40 km/h when not sure until you are clear of the station before moving to the line speed for that section."


Yes from my research, the A60 means that there is an exception for that specific Ausfahrsignal, or exit signal when departing the station. Some busy stations require trains to depart quicker to keep the flow moving. Generally, it's 40 km/h when exiting until your train has passed the points zone, then you can speed up. Unless A60, then you can go straight up to 60 km/h.

From the EBula or timetable,

Asig is for Ausfahrsignal / Exit signal
Esig is for Einfahrsignal / Entry signal
Zzig is for Zwischenfahrsignal / Intermediate signal for big stations with various sub stations like the one in Leverkusen.

Nice info thanks.
I would imagine Hamburgs mains station is pritty much A60 .