It's ethical to buy this game due to AI?

[Charlemagne]

I've noticed that this game is filled with AI art everywhere, paintings, portraits, etc

[HyX-Man]

Store page does not mention the use of AI, so these are probaly royalty free stock images. But not sure what you meant by "to train".
The youtuber "someordinarygamers made a while ago a video about a company using youtube to make their AI learn. In other words, as long as there is media in general, AI will learn from it.
But I guess if you beleive in the machine God, AI might seem like blasphamy ^^

[[BLK] Telu]

Everyone do it nowadays. If you don't want to buy it, don't buy it. Who cares ?

Maybe the dev bought the AI art somewhere ?

[Roxyy2]

people can't tell you what your ethics are- what was the point in posting this?

[Rat with a Gun]

As an artist who is very against AI, my general rule of thumb is "would they have just used a free stock asset if AI images didn't exist?" and if the answer is yes then I'm okay with it. For things like character/item sprites and promotional/official art, I think it's a no. The idea is not supporting AI art that would take away a guaranteed job for a human artist! Quality of the game is also important to me, if it feels like a bunch of AI and free assets slapped together on a game that is making thousands of sales *cough* supermarket sim *cough* then I'm a bit more on the side of calling that shady... Maybe my opinion will change in the future but that's how i see it for now.

[Discombobulating]

Publicado originalmente por Rat with a Gun:

As an artist who is very against AI, my general rule of thumb is "would they have just used a free stock asset if AI images didn't exist?" and if the answer is yes then I'm okay with it. For things like character/item sprites and promotional/official art, I think it's a no. The idea is not supporting AI art that would take away a guaranteed job for a human artist! Quality of the game is also important to me, if it feels like a bunch of AI and free assets slapped together on a game that is making thousands of sales *cough* supermarket sim *cough* then I'm a bit more on the side of calling that shady... Maybe my opinion will change in the future but that's how i see it for now.

This is a good take,
Also supermarket sim is a poorly put together game aside from the AI, it's actually mind boggling how it is a success when i saw hundreds of games like it that failed, either for having mind numbingly bad game play and game design on top of usually being asset flips.
In comparison at least this game seems to be pretty well put together from both a game play and game design standpoint.

[Corncutter]

Publicado originalmente por Akemie:

I compare AI to a human printing out other peoples artworks, cutting out what they like and putting it back together to a "new" image. I still consider this as stealing, so yes, AI is stealing and not okay. Inspiration is a completely different thing.

That is exactly what we were doing in art class. It's an art form and called a collage.

But that's not how AI works, even though many people think it does. AI doesn't take existing pictures and just copy-pastes them together. It learns by analysing thousands of them and recreats a style and certain elements by painting it new. As you do as a human, just digitally. Why do you think so many AI images show people with too many fingers? They weren't copied from other photos, they were tried to recreate as a concept.

[Joe Coffee]

I don't see what the big deal is. The ducks are very artistic.

[Whirl]

Consider that this is an adult game from an indie studio aimed at people who enjoy scrubbing the blood off walls. Tyler for one is a murderer who ends up working with drugs for the mob, then gets himself and his pregnant girlfriend shot.

On the whole, an actual artist who does quality work and wants to actually GO somewhere in the gaming industry might not revel in having this kind of game on their resume if they weren't sure about it working out.

It's just less complicated to fill a few photo frames with AI work, or pop a stock poster on the wall. The stuff in the Museum is generic as hell, and also it's all covered in blood.

[Laryagar]

Current AI's today generally are trained like neural networks were back in the 90's, but much more sophisticated. Neural networks are famously used for ATM's and vending machines that take paper money. They are trained by running the same denomination of money through a scanner millions of times to generate a "pattern" for what that bill is. The reason is that computers generally are very exact for pattern matching and when trying to identify that denomination it would fail it unless it matched exactly. Neural networks would be exposed to real world scans of that denomination and exposed to all the variants to the scans and create essentially a "fuzzy" pattern. In a way, much like humans do but humans have an advantage as the brain is designed for pattern matching and will even find patterns in chaos. In today's AI's they have been exposed to a great amount of photographic and artistic imagery to create these patterns and associate them with natural language prompt verbiage. I have seen some low end, poorly trained and designed AI's that really do copy parts of real images as the results may even have a logo or tag from the web site it was sourced from. The higher end systems are less reliant on actual images and are generally entirely pattern based with graphical effects that adjust for certain types of styles or color palettes. In the game, the photos of people are likely pictures of real people but only their faces or part of them that are provided for the AI to use to create the scene around them. Then a human artist probably retouches any errors the AI generates. Because the AI does not truly "understand" what the elements are but has associations programmed in to connect viable elements to create the scene. Humans will probably always have the better pattern matching ability, some better than others. So humans will be able to see the flaws in such images and correct them.

This game probably has a mix of AI generated and stock assets to speed up production. Such as the magazine in the front room of the Spa in chapter 1 with the Egyptian cover, the back has a picture of the statue that is in the tanning salon. Someone either made it by hand by taking photos or used an AI the generate the overall image and edited it with the text and statue as a normal AI would not have been able to put in the advertisement text that went with the image of the statue.

[[BLK] Telu]

Publicado originalmente por Omnissiah:

I've noticed that this game is filled with AI art everywhere, paintings, portraits, etc

Devs said they bought the Art online. So, yes, it's ethical.

[Metal Izanagi]

I mean..we can't tell you what should be ethical to you or not, OP. AI art is a real mess when it comes to ethics, because a lot of times the creator of the AI isn't getting permission for the material they train the AI on. If these companies that make AI art generators would get permission and remove the work of artists who refuse to allow their work to be used for AI training from their data, it wouldn't be a problem at all.

[Lil Quack]

literally who besides you cares.

[Blaze1961]

Worrying about the ethics of a painting made by AI while playing a game where you have no issues tossing dead bodies into the back of a pickup. Is pretty twisted.

[(Clever Name Here)]

It's ethical to buy this game because it supports the devs. AI shouldn't matter. At least in the US, we are about capitalism. So if a dev wants to make something and use AI to save money, more power to them. If people don't like it, go to anther country where capitalism doesn't exist.

I get the whole argument against AI. But the genie is out of the bottle. But not buying a game or protesting AI stuff isn't going to stop anything. Progress stops for no man. Technology advances and things go forward and lave others in the dust. Heck, most things men invent, make our lives better or easier.

So AI (and robots) are what all our inventing have lead to. A future where everything is done for us so we can sit back and enjoy life more. And eventually maybe we will have UBI, so no one has to worry about not having money for food or bills. It's the only real outcome that is possible if AI and robots take over most everything we do.

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Publicado originalmente por Bleach:

Ultimately its both a poor practice and bad look for a developer. If a painter sold you a painting and you found out it was actually made by an AI in seconds based on the likeness of thousands of other works, you would be upset. This is no different. Its cheap, a cop out, and overall sucky to see. They clearly hired someone to touch up the AI photos (presumably to make them look not like AI) so why not just have them design original characters with actual life in them? Not just soulless robot drawings. Especially considering the photos are such an integral part of the story. There's one on the home screen, there's plenty that show characters you never get to see (AKA YOUR DAUGHTER, THE MAIN PLOT POINT!!!) and they often vary heavily in different pictures of the same character. I'm tired of people excusing AI "art" like it isn't just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing to do

You're comparing hiring someone to do a little photoshop, to hiring someone to create dozens of unique paintings.

AAA games I would demand they do the latter but some indie devs aren't able to do everything themselves and may not have the money to pay for it.

If I had to choose to have money go to either improving gameplay and adding features or going to pay for game art, I'd rather the money go the prior because while we enjoy a game looking nice, the actual gameplay is the most important function.

AI at this point is just something to help smaller studios make their first games to generate enough profit so they can pay for real art in future endeavours.