Whats the point of B rated divisions?

[BulletTea]

I mean, why do we need a division that is just predestined to be worse than A rated? Why would I ever want to choose that.

If you cant give a division strong enough stuff to compete maybe just scratch it?

[arat360]

Maybe that B rating is only a suggestion based off of what Eugen considers to be "Good." Certainly, in the ultra competitive tournaments there are Meta and Non-Meta Decks, but in the casual gameplay, every division has its place. Also, many people don't want to play the ultra-competitive decks, and instead want to experiment, this gives those people options.

[Muad'Dib]

Kind of a meme that's existed in their other games too. I guess instead of A-B-C referring to time period, now it's more about 'quality'? If it's anything like the former I guess you just get more, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ units? It's kind of a silly idea, regardless. No one ever used B and C era decks in Wargame because there was no way to make them viable in multiplayer unless everyone else also had those kinds of decks, which no one did because who would bother taking the time to make such a deck for such a niche situation you'd only run into in an in-house match with friends?

[MrCrisps]

Just hover your mouse over the rating column and you'll see a little window appearing. You'll then have all info about the rating of divisions.

Basically, A is for good attacking divisions but bad at defense, B is for balanced in attack and defense, while C is bad at attack and good at defense.

I agree that the way they've done it is completely misleading, but as it is, the "rating" is not a mean to say that a division is bad or good, but to explain if the division is specialized or not.

[Toppopia]

Weird, when a dev diary first talked about ratings it meant in my interpretation that A is basically a good division and hard to make bad since it has units for every use where as B had some bad units but could still be good if you were a good player and C was for the people who wanted the ultimate challenge and could work with bad divisions. I only read that whenever it came out so a few months ago I think so I could be wrong in how I remember it.

[MrCrisps]

Check ingame, as i've explained it and you'll see for yourself ;)

[Senseo1990]

Originally posted by MrCrisps:

Just hover your mouse over the rating column and you'll see a little window appearing. You'll then have all info about the rating of divisions.

Basically, A is for good attacking divisions but bad at defense, B is for balanced in attack and defense, while C is bad at attack and good at defense.

I agree that the way they've done it is completely misleading, but as it is, the "rating" is not a mean to say that a division is bad or good, but to explain if the division is specialized or not.

Oh thank you! I really thought that 20th Panzer was supposed to be worse than 5th! Well, now someone will have to explain what advantages 20th has and why I should pick it. A couple of planes?

[aclyte]

Yea, Eugen should, maybe, name them not A,B,C but A, D, B (attack/defence/balanced) cause A,B,C looks like "quality marks".

As for the 20 div - i think it's viable on forest maps without big open areas where the high armor value is not so important as on open maps (like the last one with railroad). Like week ago, when soviets have no strong tanks to fight panthers i just put my cheap tanks in cover and deal with panthers with flank shots and cluster bombing / arty.

[BulletTea]

Originally posted by Senseo1990:

Originally posted by MrCrisps:

Just hover your mouse over the rating column and you'll see a little window appearing. You'll then have all info about the rating of divisions.

Basically, A is for good attacking divisions but bad at defense, B is for balanced in attack and defense, while C is bad at attack and good at defense.

I agree that the way they've done it is completely misleading, but as it is, the "rating" is not a mean to say that a division is bad or good, but to explain if the division is specialized or not.

Oh thank you! I really thought that 20th Panzer was supposed to be worse than 5th! Well, now someone will have to explain what advantages 20th has and why I should pick it. A couple of planes?

Also found this out just now. Shouldnt the 5. Panzer then be something completly else? Because noone is stopping you from playing defensivly with a Panther and that thing shreks at range, you dont have to attack. And in the describtion it states for A rated:"Usually bad at defense". Okay so they still tell us there are divisions that are strong at attack and better than B divisions at defense so it is a quality marker in that case.

Something cool I found the 20th panzer have, is that you can have the 20mm FLAK be towed in by 20mm FLAK halftrack, thats about it. They are IMO just very bad.

[CheeseMerchant]

It is basicly a quality rating. 20th Panzer is a far worse division then 5th Panzer. you get rekt on the open fields because no big cats to help you except the 1 Beute IS you get. defensivly i see no advantage to 20th Panzer over 5th panzer. only disadvantages. having an effective defense means being able to keep your enemy on a distance which 20th panzer does far less effectivly because of ineffective ranged weaponry so the guy that says that B rating means better defense, that isn,t really true now is it?

the rating system also adds alot of flavour i think. wrecking someone who is playing a A rating division with your C rating Pleb tier Division is an experience on it,s own.

i want my hungarian C rating reserve divison to utterly crush the most elite guard Divisions EUGEN!

[BulletTea]

Originally posted by Weaponized Autism:

It is basicly a quality rating. 20th Panzer is a far worse division then 5th Panzer. you get rekt on the open fields because no big cats to help you except the 1 Beute IS you get. defensivly i see no advantage to 20th Panzer over 5th panzer. only disadvantages. having an effective defense means being able to keep your enemy on a distance which 20th panzer does far less effectivly because of ineffective ranged weaponry so the guy that says that B rating means better defense, that isn,t really true now is it?

the rating system also adds alot of flavour i think. wrecking someone who is playing a A rating division with your C rating Pleb tier Division is an experience on it,s own.

i want my hungarian C rating reserve divison to utterly crush the most elite guard Divisions EUGEN!

You are getting it wrong, A stands for Good on Attack, bad on defense, B is jack of all trades (not good on attack and not good on defense), and C stands for bad at attack and good at defense.

Mouseover the Rating and you see the ingame description of it.

[CheeseMerchant]

Originally posted by BulletTea:

Originally posted by Weaponized Autism:

It is basicly a quality rating. 20th Panzer is a far worse division then 5th Panzer. you get rekt on the open fields because no big cats to help you except the 1 Beute IS you get. defensivly i see no advantage to 20th Panzer over 5th panzer. only disadvantages. having an effective defense means being able to keep your enemy on a distance which 20th panzer does far less effectivly because of ineffective ranged weaponry so the guy that says that B rating means better defense, that isn,t really true now is it?

the rating system also adds alot of flavour i think. wrecking someone who is playing a A rating division with your C rating Pleb tier Division is an experience on it,s own.

i want my hungarian C rating reserve divison to utterly crush the most elite guard Divisions EUGEN!

You are getting it wrong, A stands for Good on Attack, bad on defense, B is jack of all trades (not good on attack and not good on defense), and C stands for bad at attack and good at defense.

Mouseover the Rating and you see the ingame description of it.

tell me what makes 5th panzer a less balanced deck then 20th panzer? i can,t find it. i know the description says otherwise. but what the description says is totally different from what i have seen in game so far with the 20th panzer and 5th panzer. jack of all trades means it is atleast decent in all category,s which it is obviously not being less decent in Defense then a supposedly Very good attack but bad at defense division like 5th panzer.

sure 20th panzer has some unique toys like Beute IS and STUKA with AT cluster bombs. but those toys are easy to deal with compared to the swarms of Panthers and Tigers in the 5th

to sum it up you are right with the meaning of the rating system. but this is a situation in which the meaning does not correlate with what happens in practice. it would be far better if the rating system actually meant quality of the division. because in that way the meaning represents what we see in game during an actual battle

[BulletTea]

Originally posted by Weaponized Autism:

Originally posted by BulletTea:

You are getting it wrong, A stands for Good on Attack, bad on defense, B is jack of all trades (not good on attack and not good on defense), and C stands for bad at attack and good at defense.

Mouseover the Rating and you see the ingame description of it.

tell me what makes 5th panzer a less balanced deck then 20th panzer? i can,t find it. i know the description says otherwise. but what the description says is totally different from what i have seen in game so far with the 20th panzer and 5th panzer. jack of all trades means it is atleast decent in all category,s which it is obviously not being less decent in Defense then a supposedly Very good attack but bad at defense division like 5th panzer.

sure 20th panzer has some unique toys like Beute IS and STUKA with AT cluster bombs. but those toys are easy to deal with compared to the swarms of Panthers and Tigers in the 5th

to sum it up you are right with the meaning of the rating system. but this is a situation in which the meaning does not correlate with what happens in practice. it would be far better if the rating system actually meant quality of the division. because in that way the meaning represents what we see in game during an actual battle

Exactly I agree with you 100%. At this point its just a joke, you get 1 Nashorn against 3 IS2's and it cant even win at range. Its just a balance mess right now

[Jam292]

Historical accuracy is what sells WW2 games.

[aclyte]

I think you should not fight at range when playing with 20 div. Like you d't fight at range playing first soviet tank div - they also have no good tools at range (except, maybe, su85).

[CowScrotumNipples]

*edit* The trade off for "B" divisions should be availability, a lot of it.... I believe that this should be represented in the final game.