major end game spoilers here. DO NOT enter here if you havent finnished the game.

[Shadowish]

i am seriously confused and let down. the ending was really not to my expectations. as what the patreon succes promised for this game. i was here from the start when the only wifus were avaible was margalis and killi. Played this game update after update,and then again from start to finish at 1.0 lounched with high expectation. as 90% of the game i did know what to expect.

i feel like the ending was, by the game humour: Just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ end it already. devotion quests way to easy and simple going. one talk, one click room, one boss fight and one sex scene. THAT CAN NOT BE PLAYED AGAIN IN PANDORA. Everything about the end it has a rush energy about it. Just finnish it already. What happened?

the only thing i miss is the 3 last achivments for steam for the remainding 3 galaxies to compleat. For hope sacke i hope the "Last" mission somewhere in the map i find the next hidden mission. And i will do those for sure, getting 100% achivements before i review the game officially.

But getting back to the finnish: outfits, the lv 40 outfits all the same from every waifu ? lazy. every outfit from devotion quest so simple, so rushed in lack of other words.

The quests for devotion so plain and predictable. One word: lazy, rushed. The team got tired of this project and wanted to finnish it fast.

i get that this is ment to be a fap game, not an emotional one like being a ♥♥♥. but i had some hopes for the finnish line. A misterious dark waifu every battle i had that i could not choose. Two posible choises: demi at lv 40 learns to join battle or celestina joins us. yet the game congratulates me for being done in the main quest. the captain joining hands with celestina. No misterious last waifu(maybe this will change after i explore all systems. AT LEAST I HOPE)

and the last end game fights with no reason way to hard for a fap game. i play this game when i am drunk and alone. dont push a strategy/ thinking mini game at the end of your game with no specific rules. what vent goes where? what guard goes were? what door opens where? Randomly 8 cicles to win.

IMO you should have pushed the released so you can ENJOY makeing the game, not just rush a 1.0

P.S. in my own opinnion as a fap game, and this is just a pure view of my own< the pandora should have been the focus. And i could have prayed on this from the start that pandora at release 1.0 would have 360 degree angle view. Let us choose how we view everything. As a fap game advartise at such, that should have been the focus.

[-Norbert-]

If it's any consolation, while you can't watch the devotion scenes in Pandora, you can watch them both in the archive in the captain's quarter (including the talk before and after), or from the game-files directly (only the sex scene itself). They are unpacked mp4 files, with the devotion vids being in their own sub-folder.

[Estevan Valladares]

I guess people should learn to take the game as what it is, and not as what they want it to be. PANDORA is one thing, the game cinematics another, they story another.
It is like you saying it is bad that the recordings you receive through leveling the waifus are bad because "they have nothing to do with the story". They are no meant to.

The game is what it is. Not everything should be made to order for your desires. Other people like other things, other people want other things.

I myself have unlocked all the pandora vids because I wanted to see if there was something in unlocking them, but since long time ago in Early Access that I dont really even care it exists that much. I would trade the whole pandora thing for some second devotion quests, or another type the involved all the waifus, like those "OVA" in Anime. PANDORA simply is something I dont really mind existing in the game or not.
My Waifus are all on the 40 outfit now, and that was one of the motivations I had to finish the leveling them, exactly because I wanted some kind of uniform on them to look like a spaceship crew, rather than a clown cart.
I, and a lot of people who post around the Internet, love the care and attention on developing the relation of the captain, specially with the more close waifus. Ela devotion arc is fine and dandy, but simply not what many people want in their immersion on the game. The same way someone like me shouldnt bash the idea of Ela's arc, people who think there should not be emotional value on the game should not bash the existent emotional value because their idea of the game is not the same.

Are you suggesting they should not focus on things players like me enjoy to focus on what players like you enjoy because in some way or for some reason you are right on what players should enjoy in a "fap game" ?

I could make a joke on that being an indicator of some aspects of demographic, but that joke is not funny anymore, and a lot of people had been developing that kind of entitlement all around the World.

And I seen 3 videos, and this post, among others making certain "accusations", and I am not a developer of this game, but I am pretty sure the devs are not only happy with the work they did, but also happy with the result. And I have seen the data. Subverse has tickled the heels of many Titans in the game industry in terms of players and concurrent average engagement, something not many "fap games" can claim, not even some of the classic ones. If that does not classify and something the devs enjoy, I dont really know in which World we are considering these arguments.

[Shadowish]

Originally posted by Estevan Valladares:

Are you suggesting they should not focus on things players like me enjoy to focus on what players like you enjoy because in some way or for some reason you are right on what players should enjoy in a "fap game" ?

do not get me wrong. i do indeed love sentimental games. For example my favorite devotions quest was Chumi chumi one. She got vulnerable in her quest, she took of her mask. She showed true trust/ love for the captain. and second one demi for her story of hers and captains first night together.

i agree. my expectations are my own ofcourse. when the game was advertise as a fap game, my personal expectations of relations/emotions/love were droped down, so in my OWN OPINNION i had to suspect that pandora will be the main thing in this game.

as a finnal note, i do not acuse it of not being a game soly for ME. i am not an idiot. Ofcourse people will love different parts of the games we all share and play. This game is a masterpiece in its genre that will spear head many others in the future. ALL i am saying is that the last update i feel like they rushed it to the finnish line.

P.S. as a nice little bonus, i enjoyed very much the motivation of erarks confesion that he did it all for love, for love for celestina i teared up. as i wrecked my real life too for a one way love as well.

[Estevan Valladares]

This game has a lot of problems, but being "rushed" does not seem one of them, at all.
While there are new things on 1.0 that were not in the EA, if one knows how game development (or software development in general) is made, they might have the design of the UI and the ideas like changing devotion and experience, or the recordings, or the thing about Taron store, long before the game has it.
People on YT talk too much from the standpoint of a player thinking some stuff gives them knowledge about development. That is often a load of crap.

Some dishonest developers, like Larian for example, use the people's misguided concepts about development to their own ends. theirs for example was a rushed game. Was a game that promised so much and delivered so little, it still to this day advertising "new things" the things they said were already developed for the game before launch, and in fact they had never made work.

Rushed development is not always a bad thing, and not always result in bad quality. The problem is doing what CDPR or Larian did. The only difference is that CDPR went WAY deep on the hype, and Larian got a little less carried by their own clout, and kept the deception to a minimum.

But while I have had more than I have expected from my girl DEMI, or from the plot of this game, if I would expect all the fixes Larian promised for the flaws of BG3 from day one, I would be still expecting them. The only thing is that I saw a "truly badly rushed project" for what it was and did not expect BG3 to become anything more than it would forever be.

Tencent has invested in BG3 in the hopes of securing the DnD IP for future projects, and once the disappointing result (you liking the game is not "important" if the business goal is not achieved, aka, nothing else to gain but a number on a chart that is not money), and subsequent IP being taken (it was, everyone who knows business knows this), they lost interest, and Larian is left to clean up the crap.

Compared to those, this game a smooth sailing, it has a coherent story and a neatly closed Universe. If you go on YouTube now you can find dozens of videos explaining why the parts of CP77 or BG3 that do not make sense actually make sense if the game was complete.

So, that criticism is not warranted, at all.

[Final_Jill_Fantasy]

i'm feel sad and throwed because we dont see naked Celestina or sex her. why you do it and dont listen us StudioFow, we just not trust you and dont donate if you dont listen us

[Shadowish]

Originally posted by Estevan Valladares:

This game has a lot of problems, but being "rushed" does not seem one of them, at all.

you understood nothing of what i said. i SAID the last update was rushed. every waifu recruitment mission/ meaning another update was 2-3 hours long of playing. Last update main quest i finnished in a little over an hour.

imo they should updated the game with devotion quest, then take another full time for a wardrobe introduction and then take another time for the main quest finnish line. And the devotion quests are way to similar, just copy paste the frame of the entire mission. each waifu has her peronality. it should have reflected that.Demi for example should have had the most difficult quest for makein her understand what it means to be a lover not a sex/brainy robot that just has control over the spaceship and the captains ♥♥♥♥. Compared with ellasiha who just uses the captain for the ♥♥♥♥. SAying that i know its only my point of view. But it should been a factor for the devs....different personalityies....different devotion quests. different lentch of quests.

the wardrobe issue, the devotion cloths are ok, but the lv 40 ones are simply LAZY. ONLY one for everyone. You can see the devotion tree progression. i for one my only motivation to level them to 40 is to see what cloths you get. i can safely assume i am not the only one in this matter. Just to find out that every single lv 40 cloths are exactly the same. That level 40 motivation is gone.

That is a direct result why the steam achivment of makeing all the waifus lv 40 is ONLY 1.1% of players.

you and i are fellow achivers, thats why we are talking in the first place. but the majority of players will never see those achivments BECAUSE the devs rushed the LAST update.

you can argue with me all day long, but at least you have to realize the ultimate reward for working to make all your waifus level 40 is the same for everyone of them its LAZY or RUSHED

[Shadowish]

Originally posted by :):

i'm feel sad and throwed because we dont see naked Celestina or sex her. why you do it and dont listen us StudioFow, we just not trust you and dont donate if you dont listen us

OMG trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
my self hoped for celestina beeing the last waifu so hard, even after the last update with blyth and chumi. when celestina kinda indicated about the madlad. I hope im not alone when i got whisfull thinking there about her