SRW V Bonus scenarios included or sold separately ?

[AltRiese]

Still reluctant to buy SRW V again after PS4 unless there's additional value like having the bonus scenarios included with the base version

[Gin-chan]

Man the OG series being available on steam Worldwide would literally be a dream come true. I would probably hang around in the forum board of the games whenever I could just to meet new fellow srw fans lol

[BloodyPork]

Originally posted by pylory:

Yes, SRW on PC is like a dream.
Especially now it is almost like the last bastion of non gundam robo games.
robo isn't as popular as it used to be in Japan.
Therefore they need to expand their market to the rest of Asia.

I agree with what you are saying about niche games deserve to get the $ than popular AAA games.

I hope they re release all the OG series from PS2 on steam.
OG series should have less licensing issues.
If they can re release them on PC without censorship (it is the current year after all)
I will definitely buy them again.

Yeah I would buy all those OG ports if it's on Steam.

I replayed the ps2 OGs a few times already, so much better than the GBA version, love the voice acting and move animations, but not so fond of the twinning system. I find OG mech and characters far superior than the actual anime series ones.

Japan game industry need to realize the untapped potential of selling Japanese games outside of Japan or the "US/EU." Japanese games are actually quite popular in the rest of the world from LATAM to ME to East Europe and especially popular in Asia, in the past this doesn't translate to significant profit because pretty much most of them pirate the games (especially true in the ps1 to ps3 era), but many of these "developing countries" have higher purchasing power as their standard of living rises so this is slowly changing, especially along with the rise of digital distribution platform like Steam (not many people would bother with the hassle of importing game disc) and regional pricing, which encourage sales. There are quite significant amount of adults around the world today who grew up with pirated japanese console games who are potential consumers.

[Hyuver]

I do think they already realize the potential of western market and pc gaming, it just matter of whether they have resource to do so or not(eg : Nihon Falcom, last I heard there are basically only 20-30 people on the payroll).

These days steam store is like disneyland for weebs, any game you want they probably have it. I don't understand why we need anime game like black clover and boku hero academia, but they have it here. Compare this to the wasteland for weebs when I started this steam account 9 years ago.

[BloodyPork]

Originally posted by Hyuver:

I do think they already realize the potential of western market and pc gaming, it just matter of whether they have resource to do so or not(eg : Nihon Falcom, last I heard there are basically only 20-30 people on the payroll).

These days steam store is like disneyland for weebs, any game you want they probably have it. I don't understand why we need anime game like black clover and boku hero academia, but they have it here. Compare this to the wasteland for weebs when I started this steam account 9 years ago.

That is true. Why am I seeing weeb otaku vn games in Steam front page when not logged in on Steam....

Yet there is still a ton of games that remains jp exclusives and a lot more who got butchered english localization. It's still best to just learn japanese instead.

[pylory]

Originally posted by BloodyPork:

I replayed the ps2 OGs a few times already, so much better than the GBA version, love the voice acting and move animations, but not so fond of the twinning system. I find OG mech and characters far superior than the actual anime series ones.

Writer has greater freedom in OG series, so character interaction can go more wild without anger the fan of the proprietary titles.
But I still love proprietary SRW.
You get to have "ACE" from each anime talking ♥♥♥♥ to each other.
Enemy faction are more varied than OGs.
Also because of how story progress, proprietary has more "power up" in stage 30-40.
Where OG usually have one MC mech where he get all the story tension and power up hype. The rest of crews just there to help （ATX team, SRX teams in later OG games...）

Originally posted by BloodyPork:

Japan game industry need to realize the untapped potential of selling Japanese games outside of Japan or the "US/EU." Japanese games are actually quite popular in the rest of the world from LATAM to ME to East Europe and especially popular in Asia, in the past this doesn't translate to significant profit because pretty much most of them pirate the games (especially true in the ps1 to ps3 era), but many of these "developing countries" have higher purchasing power as their standard of living rises so this is slowly changing, especially along with the rise of digital distribution platform like Steam (not many people would bother with the hassle of importing game disc) and regional pricing, which encourage sales. There are quite significant amount of adults around the world today who grew up with pirated japanese console games who are potential consumers.

Market outside of US/EU is usually underestimated.
Especially for niche games.

Originally posted by Hyuver:

I do think they already realize the potential of western market and pc gaming, it just matter of whether they have resource to do so or not(eg : Nihon Falcom, last I heard there are basically only 20-30 people on the payroll).

These days steam store is like disneyland for weebs, any game you want they probably have it. I don't understand why we need anime game like black clover and boku hero academia, but they have it here. Compare this to the wasteland for weebs when I started this steam account 9 years ago.

The problem of western market and steam are censorship and taste policing.
It is one of the risk, considering most of SRW fans are male audience.

[Hyuver]

Originally posted by pylory:

The problem of western market and steam is censorship and taste policing.
It is one of the risk, considering most of SRW fans are male audience.

When it come to localization you can't really satisfy everyone sadly, some prefer literal translation, while some prefer the liberty of translating the lines a bit differently as long as it flow better in english.

I mean some people are already complaining about Cold Steel 3 translation by NISA because during one scene it didn't show one character slapping another character during an argument and that's enough to warrant a thread complaining like it's they cut the most important part of the story etc.

Personally, if there is niche games available for PC that I interested in, I'd dive head first and preorder the game to support he developer and publisher. There might be some problem with the port etc, but I'd rather be cautiously optimistic and not hype myself, heck I would probably won't even start playing the game seriously unless all the enchance mod and patch coming out. Sometimes I just buy thing first and didn't have time to dedicate myself playing it yet.

[BloodyPork]

Originally posted by Hyuver:

Originally posted by pylory:

The problem of western market and steam is censorship and taste policing.
It is one of the risk, considering most of SRW fans are male audience.

When it come to localization you can't really satisfy everyone sadly, some prefer literal translation, while some prefer the liberty of translating the lines a bit differently as long as it flow better in english.

I mean some people are already complaining about Cold Steel 3 translation by NISA because during one scene it didn't show one character slapping another character during an argument and that's enough to warrant a thread complaining like it's they cut the most important part of the story etc.

Personally, if there is niche games available for PC that I interested in, I'd dive head first and preorder the game to support he developer and publisher. There might be some problem with the port etc, but I'd rather be cautiously optimistic and not hype myself, heck I would probably won't even start playing the game seriously unless all the enchance mod and patch coming out. Sometimes I just buy thing first and didn't have time to dedicate myself playing it yet.

That does warrant a thread. What's up with people thinking that "toned down" translation is acceptable?

II A slap B in the original story then how does "localizing" it to A not slapping B is acceptable?

The problem of western market and steam are censorship and taste policing.
It is one of the risk, considering most of SRW fans are male audience.

Screw censorship and taste policing.

[Hyuver]

Originally posted by BloodyPork:

That does warrant a thread. What's up with people thinking that "toned down" translation is acceptable?

II A slap B in the original story then how does "localizing" it to A not slapping B is acceptable?

The thing is they just based it from trailee, months before the game is released yet. We still don't know the whole thing is cutted during trailer or not.

Beside it jist pretty mundane conversation between classmate anyway, I don't think it'a very important thing is I wouldn't know unless someone pointed it out to me and I still probably won't care. if you talking about they censoring scene about someone getting stabbed to death, or backstory about a character that was born due to her mother getting r*ped then I would probably have problem because that'a important detail they took out from the story.

[pylory]

Originally posted by Hyuver:

Originally posted by pylory:

The problem of western market and steam is censorship and taste policing.
It is one of the risk, considering most of SRW fans are male audience.

When it come to localization you can't really satisfy everyone sadly, some prefer literal translation, while some prefer the liberty of translating the lines a bit differently as long as it flow better in english.

I mean some people are already complaining about Cold Steel 3 translation by NISA because during one scene it didn't show one character slapping another character during an argument and that's enough to warrant a thread complaining like it's they cut the most important part of the story etc.

Personally, if there is niche games available for PC that I interested in, I'd dive head first and preorder the game to support he developer and publisher. There might be some problem with the port etc, but I'd rather be cautiously optimistic and not hype myself, heck I would probably won't even start playing the game seriously unless all the enchance mod and patch coming out. Sometimes I just buy thing first and didn't have time to dedicate myself playing it yet.

I am not into the legend of heroes series.
But if they remove a scene from the origin it does sound like a big difference.
In that case I will always buy the Japanese version.
Just like how I usually bought the US version for violent action games.

If the localization has history record of those types of modification.
I will wait and see the comparison to decide which version to buy.


I am not harsh on poor translation unless it is extremely poor.
What I have problem with is intentional modification to pander or fit the specific market.
If they remove the slap or something in localized version I can always buy the Japanese version, not a big deal.

What I am more worry is , if a company decide they just going to fully focus on the western market like squareenix, then there will be no “Japanese” version. Everything will be based on the sensitivity of 5 eyes/EU which run by a very strong agenda. In the past they usually only censor the sexy waifu stuff. But now It is more pushing certain agenda, it is worse than censorship.

[Hyuver]

I will just leave the thread here and let you guys decide

https://steamcommunity.com/app/748490/discussions/0/1643167006287457646/

For me the whole dialogue is pretty mundane and it did show in the scene she is slapping him, just not showing when her hand reaches his face and in the middle of thread there is some insight about how localization is hard because some lines in japanese doesn't flow in the english translation and they need to modify it, and in the middle of the thread you could see some quote from the localization staff saying some scenes are just pain to translate due to the coded timescene event.

Personally if they cut slap short due to translation timing, I don't really mind. If I could still get the core experience of the game still intact I don't mind a bit revision here and there from the japenese version, But if some decide not to buy because of it that's fair, as long as they don't keep moaning about how they totally miss the game spirit.

[pylory]

Originally posted by Hyuver:

I will just leave the thread here and let you guys decide

https://steamcommunity.com/app/748490/discussions/0/1643167006287457646/

For me the whole dialogue is pretty mundane and it did show in the scene she is slapping him, just not showing when her hand reaches his face and in the middle of thread there is some insight about how localization is hard because some lines in japanese doesn't flow in the english translation and they need to modify it, and in the middle of the thread you could see some quote from the localization staff saying some scenes are just pain to translate due to the coded timescene event.

Personally if they cut slap short due to translation timing, I don't really mind. If I could still get the core experience of the game still intact I don't mind a bit revision here and there from the japenese version, But if some decide not to buy because of it that's fair, as long as they don't keep moaning about how they totally miss the game spirit.

Well as long as I have option to buy Japanese version then I don't really care how much modification the western version has. What kind of modification western version should have or not have should be decided by western fans.

The only concern I have is when a company focus on western market, they need to design their game around western agenda, for example pokemon.

[BloodyPork]

Originally posted by pylory:

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I am not into the legend of heroes series.
But if they remove a scene from the origin it does sound like a big difference.
In that case I will always buy the Japanese version.
Just like how I usually bought the US version for violent action games.

If the localization has history record of those types of modification.
I will wait and see the comparison to decide which version to buy.


I am not harsh on poor translation unless it is extremely poor.
What I have problem with is intentional modification to pander or fit the specific market.
If they remove the slap or something in localized version I can always buy the Japanese version, not a big deal.

What I am more worry is , if a company decide they just going to fully focus on the western market like squareenix, then there will be no “Japanese” version. Everything will be based on the sensitivity of 5 eyes/EU which run by a very strong agenda. In the past they usually only censor the sexy waifu stuff. But now It is more pushing certain agenda, it is worse than censorship.

Yep exactly. Like that Tifa debacle.

Spike Chunsoft's Zanki zero was censored (pantsu censored) and their next game is not censored, but instead what they did just release "international" same day eng/jp version with no pantsu at all to comply with western standard.

The whole "pushing agenda" in video games definitely encouraged me to skip on many games. I was a fan of Assassin Creed at one point but I obviously will never buy anything that came out of that studio ever. Same with Total War, I think I will stop buying those too, CM acting more like SJW activists and do not represent anyone who don't agree with their agenda.

On the contrary, censorship of violence isn't really a big deal to me. Changing blood color from red to some other color doesn't affect the experience for me.

VC 4 had an uncensored localization where they didn't remove the "sexist" scene (dude slapping female's ass) which triggers a bunch of SJW journalists. I had to immediately bought the game to show support after I saw the feminist whining.

The only concern I have is when a company focus on western market, they need to design their game around western agenda, for example pokemon.

Pokemon eh. Remember the old Pokemon game, very japanese (despite what the silly localization and the name changing). Then suddenly you see non-japanese landscape and forced diversity in the recent titles.

Thank god fire emblem didn't get butchered as much because it already had western names for the characters.

It's all about the $$$. We need people outside of US/EU to have more purchasing power until they contribute most of the sales number. Then there is no need to pander to western values anymore.

[Kneb00m]

As you guys have posted here, I totally agree on paying more for the niche games on Steam than AAA titles.

It is a dream comes true that they port this series to Steam, in English.

I am from Vietnam, one of those Asia countries you guys are talking about. Yes, piracy is a threat here. But things are changing here with mobile games, online games, internet speed and economy growing.

Like one of you guys has stated, SRW fans in Vietnam like me are in their 30s+ now, with a stable career and some money to spare. We just don't have time to play game on PS like we used to (I do have PS1-3, but don't have a PS4, plan to buy 1 for FF VII Remake, just have to :D). Steam and PC now is my main gaming method and game library. A couple turns after putting my kids and wife to sleep every nights is a luxury for me.

With local prices and more and more Japanese games release on Steam, I really hope that they keep bringing more and more Japanese strategy games like SRW series to Steam and PC. Old PS games, OG SRW... you name it.

And again, in English, can't say enough how happy I am.

[Hyuver]

Originally posted by Dreadberry:

As you guys have posted here, I totally agree on paying more for the niche games on Steam than AAA titles.

It is a dream comes true that they port this series to Steam, in English.

I am from Vietnam, one of those Asia countries you guys are talking about. Yes, piracy is a threat here. But things are changing here with mobile games, online games, internet speed and economy growing.

Like one of you guys has stated, SRW fans in Vietnam like me are in their 30s+ now, with a stable career and some money to spare. We just don't have time to play game on PS like we used to (I do have PS1-3, but don't have a PS4, plan to buy 1 for FF VII Remake, just have to :D). Steam and PC now is my main gaming method and game library. A couple turns after putting my kids and wife to sleep every nights is a luxury for me.

With local prices and more and more Japanese games release on Steam, I really hope that they keep bringing more and more Japanese strategy games like SRW series to Steam and PC. Old PS games, OG SRW... you name it.

And again, in English, can't say enough how happy I am.

You don't need a PS4 to play ffvii remake, it will be coming to pc a year after probably like ffxv, but we also don't know it will be an epic game store exclusive or not.

Buying ps4 just for ffvii is not wise decision IMO, SE already said they don't know the game has how many parts and it will likely be a cross generation game( like part 2 or 3 will be coming to ps5 instead of 4) i'd suggest you just wait for ps5 instead if you can't wait, since the console is likely to be backward compatible with ps4

[pylory]

Originally posted by BloodyPork:

The whole "pushing agenda" in video games definitely encouraged me to skip on many games.

I used to play many western PC games in 90s, not today.
Except very few games, they generally lack of creativity, souls and the sophistication they used to have.

Originally posted by BloodyPork:

On the contrary, censorship of violence isn't really a big deal to me. Changing blood color from red to some other color doesn't affect the experience for me.

I prefer to have my human blood red and gore option staying on.
However I agree with you here.
If I have to choose between two, I prefer Japanese censorship over western agenda and social engineering.

Originally posted by BloodyPork:

It's all about the $$$. We need people outside of US/EU to have more purchasing power until they contribute most of the sales number. Then there is no need to pander to western values anymore.

It is happening that is why NGOs are busy spreading their values everywhere to find the next host.

Originally posted by Dreadberry:

Like one of you guys has stated, SRW fans in Vietnam like me are in their 30s+ now, with a stable career and some money to spare. We just don't have time to play game on PS like we used to (I do have PS1-3, but don't have a PS4, plan to buy 1 for FF VII Remake, just have to :D). Steam and PC now is my main gaming method and game library. A couple turns after putting my kids and wife to sleep every nights is a luxury for me.

With local prices and more and more Japanese games release on Steam, I really hope that they keep bringing more and more Japanese strategy games like SRW series to Steam and PC. Old PS games, OG SRW... you name it.
And again, in English, can't say enough how happy I am.

I am with you here. SRW on PC is the best thing in gaming this year.
There is also SRW DD, a mobile game... but demand too much time to play.
I bought my PS4 solely for SRWs. There aren't many games on console I want to play.
I felt consoles nowadays are for mainstream western players.
It is either mobile or PC in Asia.
However Steam may not be the best platform for Japanese or eastern games as the policy is more adjusted for western standard.

Like Hyuver said, FF7 remake is probably going to be on PC later.