How is Denuvo still a thing in 2020!??!

[InColius]

So I had this game on my wishlist since it was released last year and was looking forward to a Steam sale and a gap in my games to have time to play this. I finally finished my backlog of games so perfect time, 26 GBP why not right?

Well just as I was going to add it to cart and buy it I notice something;
Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo Anti-tamper
5 Activations per 24 hours machine activation limit

How is this still used on a game in 2020? Has 2K and Hangar 13 had their heads in the sand this past decade? Like what!?!?! How is this in a game released in 2020!

I don't know if my post will be noticed by anyone of importance, but I hope it is. I have no intention to pirate this game I run a strict rule of you either buy a game or you don't play it. But I am against anything that treats customers like trash. If I am going to pay whatever you want me to pay for your game then it should be free of any additional DRM beyond Steam which already is a form of DRM and a very acceptable one.

Denuvo is invasive and often conflicts with anti-virus software and is known and proven to crash PC's and hurt a game's performance as it is yet another background software needed to run when a game needs every ounce of power it can get from a system.

The performance and issues aside, even if you don't believe those are valid reasons. If I am paying for a game I want to be able to play it online and offline, on days my internet does not work guess what I play? OFFLINE SINGLEPLAYER GAMES, Denuvo prevents this as the game must be online at ALL TIMES during play. You can even get TOSSED OUT OF AN ACTIVE SESSION while playing the game. This has happened to me multiple times on Assassin's Creed 2 and on other games I have purchased over the years with Denuvo.

Lastly Denuvo means paying customers get inferior products to piracy and thus has the OPPOSITE effect by promoting a pirated copy over buying the game. Pirates can play the game offline on as many PC's as they want (Denuvo limits it to x amount of reinstalls per year) and do not get kicked out of active missions midway when their internet OR Denuvo servers go down.

In any case I am a paying customer you have lost and I am definitely not alone in this, if you want more sales, remove Denuvo and announce this has been removed and watch just how many more you suddenly sell. This is pure profit for you at this stage. Remove it and get profit. Don't remove it and CONTINUE TO LOSE POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS. Such as myself.

I don't care if you remove it or not, I get to keep my 26 GBP now thanks to Denuvo which if not for Denuvo 2K would now have my 26 GBP. So thanks - I guess?

[Stan]

In 2020 there was 24 games that was protected by denuvo so yes it is still a thing and probably will be in 2021. In fact there is a assumption for 12 different games that is going to use it.

Its really not that bad as everybody says it is.

[V I D A L]

How is denuvo still an issue to people in 2020?

[Silver]

Originally posted by InColius:

So I had this game on my wishlist since it was released last year and was looking forward to a Steam sale and a gap in my games to have time to play this. I finally finished my backlog of games so perfect time, 26 GBP why not right?

Well just as I was going to add it to cart and buy it I notice something;
Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo Anti-tamper
5 Activations per 24 hours machine activation limit

How is this still used on a game in 2020? Has 2K and Hangar 13 had their heads in the sand this past decade? Like what!?!?! How is this in a game released in 2020!

I don't know if my post will be noticed by anyone of importance, but I hope it is. I have no intention to pirate this game I run a strict rule of you either buy a game or you don't play it. But I am against anything that treats customers like trash. If I am going to pay whatever you want me to pay for your game then it should be free of any additional DRM beyond Steam which already is a form of DRM and a very acceptable one.

Denuvo is invasive and often conflicts with anti-virus software and is known and proven to crash PC's and hurt a game's performance as it is yet another background software needed to run when a game needs every ounce of power it can get from a system.

The performance and issues aside, even if you don't believe those are valid reasons. If I am paying for a game I want to be able to play it online and offline, on days my internet does not work guess what I play? OFFLINE SINGLEPLAYER GAMES, Denuvo prevents this as the game must be online at ALL TIMES during play. You can even get TOSSED OUT OF AN ACTIVE SESSION while playing the game. This has happened to me multiple times on Assassin's Creed 2 and on other games I have purchased over the years with Denuvo.

Lastly Denuvo means paying customers get inferior products to piracy and thus has the OPPOSITE effect by promoting a pirated copy over buying the game. Pirates can play the game offline on as many PC's as they want (Denuvo limits it to x amount of reinstalls per year) and do not get kicked out of active missions midway when their internet OR Denuvo servers go down.

In any case I am a paying customer you have lost and I am definitely not alone in this, if you want more sales, remove Denuvo and announce this has been removed and watch just how many more you suddenly sell. This is pure profit for you at this stage. Remove it and get profit. Don't remove it and CONTINUE TO LOSE POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS. Such as myself.

I don't care if you remove it or not, I get to keep my 26 GBP now thanks to Denuvo which if not for Denuvo 2K would now have my 26 GBP. So thanks - I guess?

[InColius]

Originally posted by Stan:

In 2020 there was 24 games that was protected by denuvo so yes it is still a thing and probably will be in 2021. In fact there is a assumption for 12 different games that is going to use it.

Its really not that bad as everybody says it is.

Not as bad as people say it is? I've used products with it before and I refuse to buy any with it as a result. AsC 2 was a nightmare with Denuvo as was AsC Origins. I got kicked mid progress during a mission as my internet cut out and had to restart from last checkpoint. So fun paying for the luxury of using a product with Denuvo.

All Denuvo does is promote piracy as pirates get superior version of game. While paying customers like myself get screwed.

[Stan]

Originally posted by InColius:

Originally posted by Stan:

In 2020 there was 24 games that was protected by denuvo so yes it is still a thing and probably will be in 2021. In fact there is a assumption for 12 different games that is going to use it.

Its really not that bad as everybody says it is.

Not as bad as people say it is? I've used products with it before and I refuse to buy any with it as a result. AsC 2 was a nightmare with Denuvo as was AsC Origins. I got kicked mid progress during a mission as my internet cut out and had to restart from last checkpoint. So fun paying for the luxury of using a product with Denuvo.

All Denuvo does is promote piracy as pirates get superior version of game. While paying customers like myself get screwed.

And because pirates Denuvo got created in first place. And it only affect if you want to play offline. Thous of us that are allways online, no affect at all.

Anyway, your choice.

[CunkFeatures]

Originally posted by V I D A L:

How is denuvo still an issue to people in 2020?

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[InColius]

Originally posted by 76561198016782188:

How is denuvo still an issue to people in 2020?

How is it not?!?! Denuvo screws over paying customers and makes unnecessary issues. Pirates get around it and have a version free of Denuvo and paying customers are limited how many PC's they can install the game on they PAID FOR!?!?! HOW IS THAT ACCEPTABLE IN ANY YEAR!?!?!

And then your attitude to defend Denuvo is beyond me.

[InColius]

Originally posted by Stan:

Originally posted by InColius:

Not as bad as people say it is? I've used products with it before and I refuse to buy any with it as a result. AsC 2 was a nightmare with Denuvo as was AsC Origins. I got kicked mid progress during a mission as my internet cut out and had to restart from last checkpoint. So fun paying for the luxury of using a product with Denuvo.

All Denuvo does is promote piracy as pirates get superior version of game. While paying customers like myself get screwed.

And because pirates Denuvo got created in first place. And it only affect if you want to play offline. Thous of us that are allways online, no affect at all.

Anyway, your choice.

And pirates were created due to lack of service, Denuvo is created because a company wanted to sell a useless service (Denuvo) and make money from it and were able to convince large corporations they useless service does anything at all to prevent piracy.

The true solution to piracy is to understand it, very few pirates download games illegally due to an evil desire to get a product for free.

Most pirate where a game is not available to them in their region, where the pricing of the game is wrong for what the game is, or where a demo is not available and due to distrust as a result of too many other flopped releases (see Cyberpunk 2077 as latest example of this) and thus want to verify the quality of a game before buying it.

Also there is 0 evidence that piracy hurts sales and there are proven cases where unknown games have become very famous due to piracy where a lot of people pirated it and then bought it as it was such a good game.

Game of Thrones was the most pirated TV show in all time, yet it was also the most financially successful TV show of all time. Piracy was so rampant because the show was simply not available in most countries outside USA and once the show was released officially in those countries the bluray and DVD + digital sold extremely well in a country that otherwise would not even know what the show is if not for the pirated copies they watched there.

So please, spare me the whole oh piracy is to blame for Denuvo.

No companies are to blame for piracy and Denuvo is the idiotic "solution" they have put to stop piracy.

Witcher 3 is the best selling PC game of all time, it is DRM FREE (on GOG)! So explain that to me how a DRM free game is the best selling game of all time if piracy is such a massive threat to the industry that all companies need to resort to idiotic solutions such as Denuvo.

and again to reiterate I WAS GOING TO BUY THIS GAME until I saw it has Denuvo that is an ACTUAL LOST SALE and yes I am one person but I am for sure not alone in this boat.

[Stan]

Originally posted by InColius:

Originally posted by Stan:

And because pirates Denuvo got created in first place. And it only affect if you want to play offline. Thous of us that are allways online, no affect at all.

Anyway, your choice.

And pirates were created due to lack of service, Denuvo is created because a company wanted to sell a useless service (Denuvo) and make money from it and were able to convince large corporations they useless service does anything at all to prevent piracy.

The true solution to piracy is to understand it, very few pirates download games illegally due to an evil desire to get a product for free.

Most pirate where a game is not available to them in their region, where the pricing of the game is wrong for what the game is, or where a demo is not available and due to distrust as a result of too many other flopped releases (see Cyberpunk 2077 as latest example of this) and thus want to verify the quality of a game before buying it.

Also there is 0 evidence that piracy hurts sales and there are proven cases where unknown games have become very famous due to piracy where a lot of people pirated it and then bought it as it was such a good game.

Game of Thrones was the most pirated TV show in all time, yet it was also the most financially successful TV show of all time. Piracy was so rampant because the show was simply not available in most countries outside USA and once the show was released officially in those countries the bluray and DVD + digital sold extremely well in a country that otherwise would not even know what the show is if not for the pirated copies they watched there.

So please, spare me the whole oh piracy is to blame for Denuvo.

No companies are to blame for piracy and Denuvo is the idiotic "solution" they have put to stop piracy.

Witcher 3 is the best selling PC game of all time, it is DRM FREE (on GOG)! So explain that to me how a DRM free game is the best selling game of all time if piracy is such a massive threat to the industry that all companies need to resort to idiotic solutions such as Denuvo.

and again to reiterate I WAS GOING TO BUY THIS GAME until I saw it has Denuvo that is an ACTUAL LOST SALE and yes I am one person but I am for sure not alone in this boat.

The reason why witcher 3 sell so well is because the company that made it and previous witcher ware just so good. Now sadly that company's name is tarnish by cyberpunk 2077 and probably many people refuce to buy anything made for them from now on. Same goes for ubisoft and ea from thous people.

Also you can't truly say that piracy don't hurt game developers because there are people that who first download it and play it wonder why buy it now since the all ready have the game.

Also "best selling of all time". First thing, that is false, in all time list witcher 3 is in place 24.
If we are looking gog as alone then that list won't tell the truth either, just because its on bestselling list doesn't means its there all the time. If that list would be real number then curently BG 3 is doing better than witcher 3.

It is a good game yes but best selling its not.

GoT however you got right but again we can't know for sure that did everyone who pirated it buy it also.

I'm sure you are not the only one who dislike denuvo since there are threats here from last year, and people have been asking for its removal because the game is all ready cracked and all but thats just not going to happen. There is a reason its there and that is to protect games. Even if it doesn't work, they can all ways try.

[InColius]

Originally posted by Stan:

Also "best selling of all time". First thing, that is false, in all time list witcher 3 is in place 24.
If we are looking gog as alone then that list won't tell the truth either, just because its on bestselling list doesn't means its there all the time. If that list would be real number then curently BG 3 is doing better than witcher 3.

It is a good game yes but best selling its not.

I don't pull numbers out of my *** lol! We know for a fact that Witcher 3 is the best selling game of all times on PC (in terms of units sold, in terms of financial performance the record currently is held either by Fortnite or League of Legends it is unclear which has the lead at this point in time in terms of largest revenue of a single game on a single platform of all time). And actually even the Steam version is DRM free you can run it without running it through Steam. As in once you've downloaded it from Steam you can just run it directly from the .exe in the game folder.

But no, in terms of units sold the previous record holder was Half-Life 2 with 10 million copies sold on PC alone.

Witcher 3 has broken that record with circa 12 million copies sold.

All these figures are based on official announcements by Valve and CD Projekt Red.

And no it sold well for multiple reasons one of which was the fact it is DRM free this tells PAYING CUSTOMERS they are getting a quality product without anything to ruin their experience on said product such as crappy and unnecessary DRM like Denuvo.

[Stan]

Originally posted by InColius:

Originally posted by Stan:

Also "best selling of all time". First thing, that is false, in all time list witcher 3 is in place 24.
If we are looking gog as alone then that list won't tell the truth either, just because its on bestselling list doesn't means its there all the time. If that list would be real number then curently BG 3 is doing better than witcher 3.

It is a good game yes but best selling its not.

I don't pull numbers out of my *** lol! We know for a fact that Witcher 3 is the best selling game of all times on PC (in terms of units sold, in terms of financial performance the record currently is held either by Fortnite or League of Legends it is unclear which has the lead at this point in time in terms of largest revenue of a single game on a single platform of all time). And actually even the Steam version is DRM free you can run it without running it through Steam. As in once you've downloaded it from Steam you can just run it directly from the .exe in the game folder.

But no, in terms of units sold the previous record holder was Half-Life 2 with 10 million copies sold on PC alone.

Witcher 3 has broken that record with circa 12 million copies sold.

All these figures are based on official announcements by Valve and CD Projekt Red.

And no it sold well for multiple reasons one of which was the fact it is DRM free this tells PAYING CUSTOMERS they are getting a quality product without anything to ruin their experience on said product such as crappy and unnecessary DRM like Denuvo.

I would sure like to see your website where it says that, because i check several for pc/consoles and all time best sellings and witcher 3 haven't come even near the top.

Steam year 2020 best sellings games it got silver medal which is pretty good but its still on 26 position.
Even in 2015 when the game come out its not in top 3.

The only mentioned that i manage to find was this " It was the best-selling video game of the year in the UK" and that was back 2015.

Also i see no difference is DRM free and DRM in terms of quality and experience. It look very same to me.

[InColius]

Originally posted by Stan:

Originally posted by InColius:

I don't pull numbers out of my *** lol! We know for a fact that Witcher 3 is the best selling game of all times on PC (in terms of units sold, in terms of financial performance the record currently is held either by Fortnite or League of Legends it is unclear which has the lead at this point in time in terms of largest revenue of a single game on a single platform of all time). And actually even the Steam version is DRM free you can run it without running it through Steam. As in once you've downloaded it from Steam you can just run it directly from the .exe in the game folder.

But no, in terms of units sold the previous record holder was Half-Life 2 with 10 million copies sold on PC alone.

Witcher 3 has broken that record with circa 12 million copies sold.

All these figures are based on official announcements by Valve and CD Projekt Red.

And no it sold well for multiple reasons one of which was the fact it is DRM free this tells PAYING CUSTOMERS they are getting a quality product without anything to ruin their experience on said product such as crappy and unnecessary DRM like Denuvo.

I would sure like to see your website where it says that, because i check several for pc/consoles and all time best sellings and witcher 3 haven't come even near the top.

Steam year 2020 best sellings games it got silver medal which is pretty good but its still on 26 position.
Even in 2015 when the game come out its not in top 3.

The only mentioned that i manage to find was this " It was the best-selling video game of the year in the UK" and that was back 2015.

Also i see no difference is DRM free and DRM in terms of quality and experience. It look very same to me.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/witcher-3s-sales-by-system-how-the-game-has-sold-o/1100-6475832/
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0228/technology-gabe-newell-videogames-valve-online-mayhem.html?sh=cf87bcb3ac0b

and confirmed by other sources;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PC_games

And looking at Wikipedia it looks like Terraria and Diablo 3 have overtaken it with Diablo 3 being the most sold PC game of all time now. But regardless, Witcher 3 still is third highest.

WoW reference is unreliable so I've not counted that and Minecraft + PUBG are a different story so I've also not included them (neither of those two are full-priced games and thus it is not a good comparison).

[I like Chop Goblins.]

Originally posted by V I D A L:

How is denuvo still an issue to people in 2020?

DRM is absolutely an issue to paying customers who want to play it in another OS using a compatibility layer like Wine. You *might* be able to play any given Windows game in Linux if the game has no DRM. If it does have DRM, then it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that it has artificial barriers preventing it from running at all.

Make sense?

[InColius]

Originally posted by ANGRY SCOTSMAN NOISES:

Originally posted by V I D A L:

How is denuvo still an issue to people in 2020?

DRM is absolutely an issue to paying customers who want to play it in another OS using a compatibility layer like Wine. You *might* be able to play any given Windows game in Linux if the game has no DRM. If it does have DRM, then it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that it has artificial barriers preventing it from running at all.

Make sense?

Also for people like me who play it on Windows and HAVE had negative consequences of DRM (restarting levels mid progress when internet cuts out etc...)

Not to mention just out of principle that a paid product should not limit me on installs nor have an unnecessary bloatware running in the background for no reason on an offline singleplayer game that requires you to always be online thanks to Denuvo.

DRM in itself is not all bad - Denuvo still most definitely is.

[I like Chop Goblins.]

Originally posted by InColius:

Originally posted by ANGRY SCOTSMAN NOISES:

DRM is absolutely an issue to paying customers who want to play it in another OS using a compatibility layer like Wine. You *might* be able to play any given Windows game in Linux if the game has no DRM. If it does have DRM, then it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that it has artificial barriers preventing it from running at all.

Make sense?

Also for people like me who play it on Windows and HAVE had negative consequences of DRM (restarting levels mid progress when internet cuts out etc...)

Not to mention just out of principle that a paid product should not limit me on installs nor have an unnecessary bloatware running in the background for no reason on an offline singleplayer game that requires you to always be online thanks to Denuvo.

DRM in itself is not all bad - Denuvo still most definitely is.

I wholly agree with the principled argument, but I don't bring up principles with strangers anymore. Most people are not raised with understanding the concept of principles as a core value of how they live and reason their way through life. It's an alien concept to NPCs; at least pragmatic arguments have some concrete-ness to them that has a 5% chance of being cogitated by the reader, which is better than 0%.