Mafia 2 is overrated

[Rainhands]

I don't see what was so special about it. It was an average 3rd person cover shooter game for it's time. I played it, enjoyed it for what it was, then moved on with my life. Years later its considered a classic and I'm like how?

It had a tiny map, campaign was short, story was a lame tv series compared to Mafia 1 which was like a godfather movie, combat was unsatisfying and boring. Just wait for someone to poke their head out, rinse and repeat. You never got deep into the Mafia world, Lincoln was deeper involved.

Very average game with no replay value.

[vikus]

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this actually isnt true but ok lol

That is a fact. They reuse the same 3D model of Vito's sister for the w*ores in the cat house and clubs, Joe's "girl friend" (another w*ore), civilians walking around the city. They also reuse the same voice actor of Joe for Derek Pappalardo. You can check IMDb.

The Empire Bay is a copy and paste fest of reuse assets. Other games reuse same asset for the open world as well but they do it in a clever way unlike Mafia II where you can find the same building every 30 meters.

Vito's sister isnt actually the same model, yes they look similar but they are not the same. Also whats the shame in reusing such a talented voice actor to play two roles? I didn't even know it was the same guy until a few weeks ago.I will admit some of the copy pasting gets excessive but if you hear the development hell these people went through I think you would understand it more clearly.

[Powellinho.72]

MAFIA 1 was incredible when i first played it but it hasnt aged well. its even more frustrating than before to play lol. the story is still the best and probably will never be beaten in any future mafia game though.

we will keep getting boring bland characters like in MAFIA 3 with generic as hell gameplay. i never wana play mafia 3 ever again lol.

[Erectus Sol Invictus Spiritus]

mafia 2 has horrible player character progression, second or first proper mission one can already shoot down half one neighbourhood just to get one car to that one mechanic etc, it ruins everything

crappy writing

[Roy]

Can't disagree more, while it lacked some open-world elements it was the best story driven game since a long time, also one of the most immersive ones.

[Patrick M. Bateman]

I agree campaign was extremely short and the only DLC worth playing was Joe's Adventures.

[Dregora]

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Easy to say it's overrated now. Back when it first came out, it was a masterpiece.

Sure, it had it's flaws, but there was nothing else like it at the time.

Masterpiece on what planet? Surely not earth!

I played it at the time of release like a lot of people, and it was a very average game. The way to compare old games is to compare them against other games released within the same period.

GTA 4, Red Dead Redemption and Mass Effect 2 blow it out of the water. It wasn't even one of the best games released that year. Don't forget we had Bad Company 2, Fallout New Vegas, Civilisation 5, COD Black ops.

Mafia 2 doesn't make the top 10 of that year. It's a fact that it's an average 3rd person cover shooter with no replay value.

Lmfao black ops okay, lmfao GTA 4 okay, 4 is painfully mediocre with annoying main characters and ME2 was a watered down ''hurrr shoot pew pew'' game compared to the first.

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[Purpleetea]

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Mafia2 was a weird game because it was an 'open world' game with no open world content, it was just one big linear go from A to B adventure, enjoyable but felt half @rsed like they ran out of budget

I rather have tight 8-12 hours linear mafia game with good story than boring, filler repetitive +30-40 hours mafia 3 game.

[MuLuMi]

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mafia 2 has horrible player character progression, second or first proper mission one can already shoot down half one neighbourhood just to get one car to that one mechanic etc, it ruins everything

crappy writing

I remember that mission where Vito the Mass Murderer killed maybe at least 5 black guys just to "steal" a small ass car for parts only. Melee weapons was not an option for both side because the game want Vito to be a young cold blood mass murderer. Stealth or simply failing that mission on purpose is also not an option.

Speaking of that mechanic, I believe there were supposed to be some side quests from him but they removed them ALL for the stupid Jimmy DLCs.

[Erectus Sol Invictus Spiritus]

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mafia 2 has horrible player character progression, second or first proper mission one can already shoot down half one neighbourhood just to get one car to that one mechanic etc, it ruins everything

crappy writing

I remember that mission where Vito the Mass Murderer killed maybe at least 5 black guys just to "steal" a small ass car for parts only. Melee weapons was not an option for both side because the game want Vito to be a young cold blood mass murderer. Stealth or simply failing that mission on purpose is also not an option.

Speaking of that mechanic, I believe there were supposed to be some side quests from him but they removed them ALL for the stupid Jimmy DLCs.

There was also a missed opportunity for nice character progression at the very beginning, after he came back from war. His mother told him to search for a proper job and even gave him advice on where, I think it was the harbor/docks or something, and also I remember a conversation with his sister maybe? But what happens is there no further exploration of that, it would have been cool to make one or two missions with a routine boring job to really make the player feel it as well, to then later hook up with the cousin, this way it takes the player on the ride, unlike they made it.

Also the psychological aspect, I mean, a guy that comes back from war, one could think that he has enough of murder crime etc at least for a while, to settle down first a bit, but nope, straight back into the grinder.

[Dregora]

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I remember that mission where Vito the Mass Murderer killed maybe at least 5 black guys just to "steal" a small ass car for parts only. Melee weapons was not an option for both side because the game want Vito to be a young cold blood mass murderer. Stealth or simply failing that mission on purpose is also not an option.

Speaking of that mechanic, I believe there were supposed to be some side quests from him but they removed them ALL for the stupid Jimmy DLCs.

Also the psychological aspect, I mean, a guy that comes back from war, one could think that he has enough of murder crime etc at least for a while, to settle down first a bit, but nope, straight back into the grinder.

It doesn't work like that buddy... If you trained for a long time to do something that extreme and have actually done it, it's hard to suddenly let it go and ''relax''. Why do you think so many veterans have issues in some way?

[vikus]

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Also the psychological aspect, I mean, a guy that comes back from war, one could think that he has enough of murder crime etc at least for a while, to settle down first a bit, but nope, straight back into the grinder.

It doesn't work like that buddy... If you trained for a long time to do something that extreme and have actually done it, it's hard to suddenly let it go and ''relax''. Why do you think so many veterans have issues in some way?

especially since Vito literally needed money bad, he knew his only option was crime as soon as he got home, its not like he wanted to go and kill people for a living lol

[Erectus Sol Invictus Spiritus]

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If you trained for a long time to do something that extreme and have actually done it, it's hard to suddenly let it go...

Soldiers do not turn into criminals after war ended usually, yes they have issues, but these issues actually prevent them most of the time to repeat what they did in war, your conclusion is wrong.

"hard to let go" does not mean that you actually ACT upon it and try to vent it this way, it means that you eat it up and develop serious psychological issues, usually these people stay at home and start drink etc.

Don't know how you can make a correct observation but then come to such wrong conclusion.

[vikus]

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If you trained for a long time to do something that extreme and have actually done it, it's hard to suddenly let it go...

Soldiers do not turn into criminals after war ended usually, yes they have issues, but these issues actually prevent them most of the time to repeat what they did in war, your conclusion is wrong.

"hard to let go" does not mean that you actually ACT upon it and try to vent it this way, it means that you eat it up and develop serious psychological issues, usually these people stay at home and start drink etc.

Don't know how you can make a correct observation but then come to such wrong conclusion.

But okay, did you not read the post above? the point isnt Vito going out and killing people because he wants too, its because he needs money and he knows he can't get it any other way, he gets wrapped up in the mob just like Tommy does. But i'll agree with you, Vavra is a bad writer and mafia 2 is hardly fleshed out at all.

[Erectus Sol Invictus Spiritus]

His mother told him to go work, not sure if even had a contact to meet up, so he could have had money by regular means if he wanted to.

And yes, from what can be read upon this, Vavra just left at the end, so the ending is not by him, but all the earlier missions are, so I don't know what happened because he did a great job with Mafia 1, I guess its the same as in music business, often the debut record is something special.