Mafia 2 is overrated

[Rainhands]

I don't see what was so special about it. It was an average 3rd person cover shooter game for it's time. I played it, enjoyed it for what it was, then moved on with my life. Years later its considered a classic and I'm like how?

It had a tiny map, campaign was short, story was a lame tv series compared to Mafia 1 which was like a godfather movie, combat was unsatisfying and boring. Just wait for someone to poke their head out, rinse and repeat. You never got deep into the Mafia world, Lincoln was deeper involved.

Very average game with no replay value.

[JC]

a little off topic but people need to stop with the word "masterpiece", it's a powerful word, i feel like every "good" game is a masterpiece for those people, if you want to talk about masterpieces talk about Metal Gear Solid 2 or Silent Hill 2, not Mafia 2

[Rainhands]

Originally posted by JC:

a little off topic but people need to stop with the word "masterpiece", it's a powerful word, i feel like every "good" game is a masterpiece for those people, if you want to talk about masterpieces talk about Metal Gear Solid 2 or Silent Hill 2, not Mafia 2

You said people need to stop over using the word masterpiece, then called MGS2 a masterpiece lol. That isn't even the best MGS game. Deus Ex 1 was a masterpiece however. But I digress.

[kiteless 凧無し]

Mafia2 was a weird game because it was an 'open world' game with no open world content, it was just one big linear go from A to B adventure, enjoyable but felt half @rsed like they ran out of budget

[Rainhands]

Originally posted by HarbingerOfDestruction:

Originally posted by Rainhands:

I don't see what was so special about it. It was an average 3rd person cover shooter game for it's time. I played it, enjoyed it for what it was, then moved on with my life. Years later its considered a classic and I'm like how?

It had a tiny map, campaign was short, story was a lame tv series compared to Mafia 1 which was like a godfather movie, combat was unsatisfying and boring. Just wait for someone to poke their head out, rinse and repeat. You never got deep into the Mafia world, Lincoln was deeper involved.

Very average game with no replay value.

Lmao yes... Mafia 2 is overrated and Mafia 3 is a masterpiece.... in your none importance, meaningless opinion.

Calling Mafia 2 overrated and "Average 3rd person cover shooter" to that game is a crime. While also praising that disaster that was Mafia 3, which was nothing but a sheer repetitiveness of destroying rackets while having 20% "Canon" scenes.

Don't even get me start on the fact that you've stated that Vito was a less of a 'mafioso' rather than Lincoln who was basically a murderer with a vengeance vendetta. True, Vito wasn't a 'mafioso' to such a degree as Tommy was in the first game, but he felt more of a genuine mafioso, rather than Lincoln who had none relation to any mafia and was acting all alone, aside from a few colleagues.

Additionally, you noted that the game has tiny map. How is it far to judge a game from 2010 for its small world-map, but otherwise completely avoiding mentioning that Mafia 3 the successor from 2016 had a small map as well. Quite contradictory.. But, well from this post I can already perceive that you're not that intelligent.

TLDR: Stop enforcing your non-existent logic and baseless, factless, moronic opinion onto others. Mafia 2 is an excellent game which was innovative for its time. Unlike Mafia 3 which was utter garbage. I do give you props however for praising the first game though.

You don't even believe your comments. You were unable to defend why Mafia 2 isn't average so you jumped on one single line about Mafia 3. As you know if you compared Mafia 2 to Mafia 1 it would be an obvious downgrade. So you went for easy pickings.

And all I said was Lincoln went deeper into the Mafia world than Vito, I never once claimed he was a Mafioso. But neither was Vito which is my point. Only Tommy was a proper Mafioso.

You also conveniently skipped over my post showing you that Mafia 2 wasn't even in the top 10 games released of it's year, let alone of it's generation.

GTA 4, Red Dead Redemption and Mass Effect 2 blow it out of the water. Don't forget we had Bad Company 2, Fallout New Vegas, Civilisation 5, COD Black ops. It doesn't make the top 10. These are all facts.

And you say we can't compare maps from 2010 to now, but Mafia 1 had a bigger map than Mafia 2 and that was released in 2002! LOL

[vikus]

Originally posted by kiteless:

Mafia2 was a weird game because it was an 'open world' game with no open world content, it was just one big linear go from A to B adventure, enjoyable but felt half @rsed like they ran out of budget

not budget, time. 2k rushed them and the main writer left half way through the game

[Rainhands]

Originally posted by kiteless:

Mafia2 was a weird game because it was an 'open world' game with no open world content, it was just one big linear go from A to B adventure, enjoyable but felt half @rsed like they ran out of budget

Agreed. It was more linear than Mafia 1, but the game felt very slow at the same time. It was OK but it doesn't compare to the original.

I think the big reason for it's success is solely down to not having any other Mafia/gangster games on the market. It's a bit like the Hitman series where it has no direct competitor.

[Rainhands]

Originally posted by Purpleetea:

Originally posted by HarbingerOfDestruction:

Lmao yes... Mafia 2 is overrated and Mafia 3 is a masterpiece.... in your none importance, meaningless opinion.

Calling Mafia 2 overrated and "Average 3rd person cover shooter" to that game is a crime. While also praising that disaster that was Mafia 3, which was nothing but a sheer repetitiveness of destroying rackets while having 20% "Canon" scenes.

Don't even get me start on the fact that you've stated that Vito was a less of a 'mafioso' rather than Lincoln who was basically a murderer with a vengeance vendetta. True, Vito wasn't a 'mafioso' to such a degree as Tommy was in the first game, but he felt more of a genuine mafioso, rather than Lincoln who had none relation to any mafia and was acting all alone, aside from a few colleagues.

TLDR: Stop enforcing your non-existent logic and baseless, factless, moronic opinion onto others. Mafia 2 is an excellent game which was innovative for its time. Unlike Mafia 3 which was utter garbage. I do give you props however for praising the first game though.

People who liked mafia 3 (dont saw what to like in that game maybe just that time period) clearly didnt understand what made mafia 1 and 2 amazing games.

Oh please. Mafia 1 is one of my favorite games of all time. Stop trying to put average Mafia 2 on par with the masterpiece of the original.

[JC]

Originally posted by Rainhands:

Originally posted by JC:

a little off topic but people need to stop with the word "masterpiece", it's a powerful word, i feel like every "good" game is a masterpiece for those people, if you want to talk about masterpieces talk about Metal Gear Solid 2 or Silent Hill 2, not Mafia 2

You said people need to stop over using the word masterpiece, then called MGS2 a masterpiece lol. That isn't even the best MGS game. Deus Ex 1 was a masterpiece however. But I digress.

Let me guess: MGS3 is the masterpiece ? I guess it is if you turn off your brain

[Arnold Braunschweiger]

I also enjoyed Mafia 3 more than Mafia 2 so I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one. At least Mafia 3 allowed you to d!ck around the city and was more fun to play. Plus it had a more interesting story, imho.

Mafia 2 was just so dull and the story and missions meandered a lot. I remember almost screaming at the monitor for the game to get to the damn point because I was tired of driving my idiot friend around or doing some other boring chores.

[HarbingerOfDestruction「俺様」]

Originally posted by Rainhands:

Originally posted by HarbingerOfDestruction:

Lmao yes... Mafia 2 is overrated and Mafia 3 is a masterpiece.... in your none importance, meaningless opinion.

Calling Mafia 2 overrated and "Average 3rd person cover shooter" to that game is a crime. While also praising that disaster that was Mafia 3, which was nothing but a sheer repetitiveness of destroying rackets while having 20% "Canon" scenes.

Don't even get me start on the fact that you've stated that Vito was a less of a 'mafioso' rather than Lincoln who was basically a murderer with a vengeance vendetta. True, Vito wasn't a 'mafioso' to such a degree as Tommy was in the first game, but he felt more of a genuine mafioso, rather than Lincoln who had none relation to any mafia and was acting all alone, aside from a few colleagues.

Additionally, you noted that the game has tiny map. How is it far to judge a game from 2010 for its small world-map, but otherwise completely avoiding mentioning that Mafia 3 the successor from 2016 had a small map as well. Quite contradictory.. But, well from this post I can already perceive that you're not that intelligent.

TLDR: Stop enforcing your non-existent logic and baseless, factless, moronic opinion onto others. Mafia 2 is an excellent game which was innovative for its time. Unlike Mafia 3 which was utter garbage. I do give you props however for praising the first game though.

You don't even believe your comments. You were unable to defend why Mafia 2 isn't average so you jumped on one single line about Mafia 3. As you know if you compared Mafia 2 to Mafia 1 it would be an obvious downgrade. So you went for easy pickings.

And all I said was Lincoln went deeper into the Mafia world than Vito, I never once claimed he was a Mafioso. But neither was Vito which is my point. Only Tommy was a proper Mafioso.

You also conveniently skipped over my post showing you that Mafia 2 wasn't even in the top 10 games released of it's year, let alone of it's generation.

GTA 4, Red Dead Redemption and Mass Effect 2 blow it out of the water. Don't forget we had Bad Company 2, Fallout New Vegas, Civilisation 5, COD Black ops. It doesn't make the top 10. These are all facts.

And you say we can't compare maps from 2010 to now, but Mafia 1 had a bigger map than Mafia 2 and that was released in 2002! LOL

Vito felt a whole lot more than mafioso rather than Lincoln, as for my comments of Mafia 3 they were based on other comments you've written in the past.

I agree with you that Mass Effect 2 and RDR were better than Mafia 2, but despite it being a short game it was excellent and innovative for its era. What did it do good? It's graphics were excellent for its time, facial animation, above decent shooting mechanics (for its time), excellent story despite that it was short. It was a fun short 8 hours experience and I'd much rather have a fun 8 hours than the gargantuan slug that is Mafia 3.

Mafia 2 map despite being small, served its purpose, there was no point for a bigger map because of the lack of side activities, and it will become a chore to drive from point A to point B.

[HarbingerOfDestruction「俺様」]

Originally posted by Mitch, suko:

I also enjoyed Mafia 3 more than Mafia 2 so I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one. At least Mafia 3 allowed you to d!ck around the city and was more fun to play. Plus it had a more interesting story, imho.

Mafia 2 was just so dull and the story and missions meandered a lot. I remember almost screaming at the monitor for the game to get to the damn point because I was tired of driving my idiot friend around or doing some other boring chores.

Noooo.. but doing the rackets slug in Mafia 3 was such an exciting mission structure right?
I mean, how dare we love Mafia 2 missions when Mafia 3 exists.

[vikus]

Originally posted by HarbingerOfDestruction:

Originally posted by Mitch, suko:

I also enjoyed Mafia 3 more than Mafia 2 so I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one. At least Mafia 3 allowed you to d!ck around the city and was more fun to play. Plus it had a more interesting story, imho.

Mafia 2 was just so dull and the story and missions meandered a lot. I remember almost screaming at the monitor for the game to get to the damn point because I was tired of driving my idiot friend around or doing some other boring chores.

Noooo.. but doing the rackets slug in Mafia 3 was such an exciting mission structure right?
I mean, how dare we love Mafia 2 missions when Mafia 3 exists.

The driving was literally one of the strongest things in the game besides the story. Its cool if you don't enjoy it, realism isnt for everyone, but Mafia 3 in no way is better than Mafia 2.

[MuLuMi]

Originally posted by Denuvo Definitive Edition:

Originally posted by Rainhands:

Lol how embarrassing.

this actually isnt true but ok lol :beaten:

That is a fact. They reuse the same 3D model of Vito's sister for the w*ores in the cat house and clubs, Joe's "girl friend" (another w*ore), civilians walking around the city. They also reuse the same voice actor of Joe for Derek Pappalardo. You can check IMDb.

The Empire Bay is a copy and paste fest of reuse assets. Other games reuse same asset for the open world as well but they do it in a clever way unlike Mafia II where you can find the same building every 30 meters.

[HarbingerOfDestruction「俺様」]

Originally posted by Denuvo Definitive Edition:

Originally posted by HarbingerOfDestruction:

Noooo.. but doing the rackets slug in Mafia 3 was such an exciting mission structure right?
I mean, how dare we love Mafia 2 missions when Mafia 3 exists.

The driving was literally one of the strongest things in the game besides the story. Its cool if you don't enjoy it, realism isnt for everyone, but Mafia 3 in no way is better than Mafia 2.

I'm not talking about the driving gameplay mechanics, that's one of the few things this game got right. I'm talking about the sheer repetitive mission structure, which the game forces you to endure the same rackets mission 30 times during the game. I cannot think of a more repetitive game than Mafia 3, Even Assassin's Creed 1 which was terribly repetitive does not come close to Mafia 3's repetitiveness.

[vikus]

Originally posted by HarbingerOfDestruction:

Originally posted by Denuvo Definitive Edition:

The driving was literally one of the strongest things in the game besides the story. Its cool if you don't enjoy it, realism isnt for everyone, but Mafia 3 in no way is better than Mafia 2.

I'm not talking about the driving gameplay mechanics, that's one of the few things this game got right. I'm talking about the sheer repetitive mission structure, which the game forces you to endure the same rackets mission 30 times during the game. I cannot think of a more repetitive game than Mafia 3, Even Assassin's Creed 1 which was terribly repetitive does not come close to Mafia 3's repetitiveness.

No I 100% agree with you, I was talking about the guy you quoted before