Why did they bother?

[Pridit]

As far as I can tell every single cutscene has been adjusted for the worse. The "extended" story points involving Sarah are awful, and so irrelevant to the story as a whole. The characters aren't faithful to the originals what so ever, Paulie is a good example of this with how eccentric they've made him. It's so frustrating to see that they've ruined or outright removed so many subtleties that makes the original so charming, such as some of the dialogue between the detective and Tommy throughout (outside of the cutscenes specifically with them).

I could look past the changed voice actors, begrudgingly, but if you are genuinely a true fan of the original story in Mafia there's no way you can look past the creative changes they've made for absolutely no reason, it's clear they didn't actually understand the story or what it was trying to tell.

I feel like the final cutscenes at the end with the showdown between Tommy and Sam are going to be the most heinous bastardization out of them all.

Does anyone think these are positive changes?

[I4rey]

There is no game that can satisfy all players, no matter how good the game is, it will always be criticized, I am sure even the original mafia has been criticized.

[Skadess]

Publicado originalmente por Eye4Ey:

There is no game that can satisfy all players, no matter how good the game is, it will always be criticized, I am sure even the original mafia has been criticized.

Even the masterpiece which Mafia 1 is wasn't perfect. So yeah.

[WELSH_GAMER_99]

Lol keep coping. You still have the original to play

[WELSH_GAMER_99]

Publicado originalmente por Savager:

Publicado originalmente por Skadess:

You realize that he's sitting like that only in the prologue?

Its a detail but very important, you dont go to a restaurant and dont take off you hat. Not in those times.

He takes it off later lmao. Did you even watch the entire gameplay promo?

[WELSH_GAMER_99]

Publicado originalmente por Pridit:

Publicado originalmente por Skadess:

Just play original then fella.

I have, twice. That's not an excuse for the changes they've made, and they're tarnishing the memory of a masterpiece in the process. As I said before the gameplay of the original isn't a super great experience, and the visuals are dated. Go be a blind follower somewhere else.

"REEEE THEY MADE CHANGES IN A REMAKE REEEEEE"

[Savager]

To the man who posted my comment to Reddit thanks!

[mw00]

Publicado originalmente por WELSH_BOI_99:

Publicado originalmente por Pridit:

I have, twice. That's not an excuse for the changes they've made, and they're tarnishing the memory of a masterpiece in the process. As I said before the gameplay of the original isn't a super great experience, and the visuals are dated. Go be a blind follower somewhere else.

"REEEE THEY MADE CHANGES IN A REMAKE REEEEEE"

Yes they did, and for worse. You know what would be a cool addition? Ability to store weapons in a car trunk. First person car interiors. Ability to store reloaded magazines in your coat, instead of just dropping them. But nope. Lets add hitmarkers, pointless "expanded" story, flashy objective markers everywhere, lets borrow animations and combat system from Mafia 3 (which doesn't fit realistic setting of the first Mafia).
basically there can be good and bad changes. not sure if you have enough brain cells to comprehend this because I think you are one of those people who only communicate through memes

[J4MESOX4D]

Publicado originalmente por Pridit:

Publicado originalmente por Skadess:

Just play original then fella.

I have, twice. That's not an excuse for the changes they've made, and they're tarnishing the memory of a masterpiece in the process. As I said before the gameplay of the original isn't a super great experience, and the visuals are dated. Go be a blind follower somewhere else.

Sorry to hear this has traumatised you so much. People that have played the game have said the extended dialogue and changes have added more depth and scope to the narrative. If they just kept the same basic script and limited gameplay as before then the majority would say that it was a lazy cashgrab.

Whist I understand blinding nostalgia and fondness, the original Mafia needed substantial improvements for this remaster to be viable. If you don't want your memories to be destroyed, don't ever play this game then.

[Pridit]

Publicado originalmente por J4MESOX4D:

Sorry to hear this has traumatised you so much. People that have played the game have said the extended dialogue and changes have added more depth and scope to the narrative. If they just kept the same basic script and limited gameplay as before then the majority would say that it was a lazy cashgrab.

Whist I understand blinding nostalgia and fondness, the original Mafia needed substantial improvements for this remaster to be viable. If you don't want your memories to be destroyed, don't ever play this game then.

I have yet to see anyone come up with any kind of argument defending the narrative changes, so I'm all ears and is part of why I created this thread. Why was the power dynamic between Tommy and the detective changed so drastically? Why was dialogue removed when Sam and Paulie first run into Tommy? Why is Morello the one to cause the impact on the road, what happened to his bodyguards? None of these add "more depth". I'm also not talking about the gameplay, which obviously needed a huge overhaul as part of a remake like this.

My issue first and foremost is with the narrative changes. Saying "don't play it" is all good and well, and don't worry I have no intention, but it's not immune to criticism. It wouldn't have been very difficult to remain faithful to a game so many people love and adore, and I haven't yet seen any change I agree with outside of the two goons not entering Salieri's bar to die like they did in the original.

If they wanted to change things so drastically, why not make a new game in the series that has nothing to do with the original rather than piggyback off the clout. I don't see why it made sense for them to make this if they intended to change many points within the narrative.

[Alabeo]

Look at all this flawless Mafia 1 Gameplay.

Totally all of this was surely part of the gameplay, right? Those bugs and glitches? The devs were so smart!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpGTGssr7gE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKMtuiaUdms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRaT_1gN0MQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTISZq7P-Kk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pAQpyLhbuY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhsr-l-oNg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UTBwFGu_O8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uRIW6DESnw

Take off nostalgia glasses, OP.

Narrative changes are subjective.

[Pridit]

Publicado originalmente por JellySnek:

Look at all this flawless Mafia 1 Gameplay.

Yeah the original isn't perfect, congratulations on being the first one to point this out. Who are you arguing against?

Publicado originalmente por JellySnek:

Narrative changes are subjective.

Not when some scenes outright don't make sense, or don't convey as well as they did originally.

[Alabeo]

Publicado originalmente por Pridit:

Publicado originalmente por JellySnek:

Look at all this flawless Mafia 1 Gameplay.

Yeah the original isn't perfect, congratulations on being the first one to point this out. Who are you arguing against?

Publicado originalmente por JellySnek:

Narrative changes are subjective.

Not when some scenes outright don't make sense, or don't convey as well as they did originally.

I mean surely, you must have some sort of background or finished school or some degree in writing, much like... you know, PEOPLE WHO RESEARCHED this stuff, right?

Surely you know better than them what does or does not make sense, right? Even though, y'know, they've done extensive research into narrative and how to elevate it beyond what was in original.

I am arguing against nitpicking.

The Narrative changes are for the better because they flesh out story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSwrHxTie5s

Watch this and understand why they did them.

[Skadess]

Lmao this thread is the worst if it comes to steam discussions of remake.
A lot of blinded fanboys here.

[Alabeo]

Publicado originalmente por Skadess:

Lmao this thread is the worst if it comes to steam discussions of remake.
A lot of blinded fanboys here.

Ah yes, because we point out that original was nowhere near perfect, with you know, actual arguments, and actually do explain our position, and that makes us fanboys. Cool, didn't know that having actual arguments is a bad thing in debate. Maybe I should flail my arms around like most people do here and just scream "REMAKE BAD, ORIGINAL GOOD!!!!!!!"

Unless you means fanboys of the original, in that case, yes, lots of them, blinded by nostalgia.

[Skadess]

Publicado originalmente por JellySnek:

Publicado originalmente por Skadess:

Lmao this thread is the worst if it comes to steam discussions of remake.
A lot of blinded fanboys here.

Ah yes, because we point out that original was nowhere near perfect, with you know, actual arguments, and actually do explain our position, then we are fanboys.

Unless you means fanboys of the original, in that case, yes, lots of them, blinded by nostalgia.

The second option, my fellow wiseguy.