Mafia: Definitive Edition

Mafia: Definitive Edition

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Disrespecting before Removing Original from the History?
Removed the openworld gamplay from it, saying it was liner
So you mean GTA had more freedom, sides and activities?
2K willing is removing the original Mafia from the market
as their gta built by the Idea but developed/released in
3 times faster to name their self as the first in genre.


They even removed the Mafia from the market (years ago) and after the heavy attacks from the community they brought it back but with the removed audio files in the name of copyright (mean they don't want to spend a penny on very old/cheap musics to keep the Mafia alive) even with alot of fans. no need to mention that they did polished gta3 meanwhile, while they didn't even add the wide screen support to the Mafia. and even wen many like my self posted some community made mods to repair these new problems (in the Original Mafia Steam Discussions with the begging to pin them), they are not even pining the posts with these community suggestions.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/40990/discussions/0/2845669419712232254/

In the new game they removed the side missions and etc. added some new stuffs, replaced the faces of the characters with totally different and mostly a unlikable faces, With all these (wen they don't even try to make a new faces with a vibe of old faces) they are disrespecting the original here too, (no need to mention the small changes in the brilliant writing of this masterpiece for what?) they want to remove it from the history. while they know they can gain some good money from this disrespecting just from a new age with a shiny graphics and 1930's American settings anyway.

Maybe im wrong (i hope that im wrong), just lets see if/wen they remove the original game again.

By the way, did they changed the awesome ingame (sometimes a live like in the party boat) musics too or they just have no copyright for the original version?
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Be kind; 6 Νοε 2020, 9:01
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Maybe i am just to worried about my favorite game, but the way you guys talk say something else about this game/market.
There are also some respectful people who tried to calm me down just by talking about quality, i will thank you all and later.

The main reason why you get responses like this is because you aren't coming off as worried and having concerns, you aren't even asking questions; you come off as aggravated and hostile, being incredibly rude and also very harshly critical about a game you haven't even played nor own. That's admittedly why I replied to the thread. You were being overwhelmingly divisive and small-minded instead of being willing to have reasonable and genuine conversations with people.

You can cherry-pick my quote, but I said that because you haven't been very constructive and open for genuine conversation, just extremely hostile and argumentative. It's why I mentioned how all of my friends who played the original see this as a fantastic remake, because, according to you, anyone who 'played the original' would see how bad this remake supposedly is.

If you want more polite responses, please be more polite and less divisive yourself, and have an actual open mind to listen to what other people are saying, instead of just shouting at the top of your lungs about how everyone else is stupid or wrong, on a game you haven't even played.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Jackerino; 28 Σεπ 2020, 10:16
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'Disrespecting' is a strong word and it's laughable to use it in this instance. This game is not here to replace the original but it has probably saved the series.
Really?
For just very first example, wen Tommy joined the gang and they started to collect moneys, At the gas station shy Tommy stayed out as a nervous driver while Paulie and Sam left to collect money. they got shot, Paulie crawled out and asked us (Tommy) to help a Sam.
After here, in the original we use some boxes to reach a window and get in while running away from a angry dog, start to use hide and seek tactics to take down 3 gangsters and help Sam to getaway.
In your "great remake" i saw after entering the station from the window someone came in and we start to stab him with a knife in a speed like we have a 40 years criminal background. but driver? taxi driver?

So you're dictating a character's competence based on a person's performance? There was no hide and seek tactic, you either killed everyone or you don't in the original, wtf are you talking about? There's 7 bad guys, four of which are in the dining area that you can't avoid without shooting them (i.e using your guns).

I fail to see this game is less plausible than the original when you had to dispatch the same amount of people in the very few ways the game offers you to do so. I don't role play Tommy being incompetent in the old game as it seems you are doing, so I never got the impression he was a 'nervous driver' who doesn't know how to shoot because I know how to play the game well and in doing so, I can make Tommy look like he's been killing bad guys for years.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από waynechriss; 27 Σεπ 2020, 22:54
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'Disrespecting' is a strong word and it's laughable to use it in this instance. This game is not here to replace the original but it has probably saved the series.
Really?
For just very first example, wen Tommy joined the gang and they started to collect moneys, At the gas station shy Tommy stayed out as a nervous driver while Paulie and Sam left to collect money. they got shot, Paulie crawled out and asked us (Tommy) to help a Sam.
After here, in the original we use some boxes to reach a window and get in while running away from a angry dog, start to use hide and seek tactics to take down 3 gangsters and help Sam to getaway.
In your "great remake" i saw after entering the station from the window someone came in and we start to stab him with a knife in a speed like we have a 40 years criminal background. but driver? taxi driver?

My words are laughable or your game?

Did they even tried to invite the original director/writer, the artist like Daniel Vavra to give them some tips and suggestion as a guest? no i don't think so as i don't think they did really played the original game seriously to understand and care about the details.

If this is not disrespecting, then tell me.

But sure the people like you and rest of 86% will enjoy it wen you wasn't even born before 2000 but love to play shiny graphics.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dregora:
Because 86% of steam reviewers does like it. You can say what you want, but people hating on the game are in the minority.
Who cares about that 14% people, the one who played the original game.
Let the salt flow:lunar2019laughingpig:

You don't own the game, you haven't played it and you're just another one who is extremely bitter for some reason? I bet you were one of the brigade who said this will score less than 50 on Metacritic and would have mostly negative user ratings on Steam. Sorry you've been disappointed:lunar2019coolpig:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J4MESOX4D:
This is a great remake. The expanded script, voice acting and exceptional cutscenes are all really well done plus the city is absolutely beautiful. I wasn't expecting much after the turd that was Mafia 3 but Hangar 13 have really redeemed themselves and the game is a bargain at its entry price.

Sure there may be some bad habits that have crept in from Mafia 3 but clearly a lot of work went into this rather than it being a 2K cash grab. The original Mafia is a classic game but some people are just painfully protective of it and can't seem to appreciate what has been achieved here.

'Disrespecting' is a strong word and it's laughable to use it in this instance. This game is not here to replace the original but it has probably saved the series. People should be more optimistic rather than persistently miserable about it. It's not perfect but then it never has intended to be.
Ha ha ha.Do you really believe this to be true? lol
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J4MESOX4D:
This is a great remake. The expanded script, voice acting and exceptional cutscenes are all really well done plus the city is absolutely beautiful. I wasn't expecting much after the turd that was Mafia 3 but Hangar 13 have really redeemed themselves and the game is a bargain at its entry price.

Sure there may be some bad habits that have crept in from Mafia 3 but clearly a lot of work went into this rather than it being a 2K cash grab. The original Mafia is a classic game but some people are just painfully protective of it and can't seem to appreciate what has been achieved here.

'Disrespecting' is a strong word and it's laughable to use it in this instance. This game is not here to replace the original but it has probably saved the series. People should be more optimistic rather than persistently miserable about it. It's not perfect but then it never has intended to be.
Ha ha ha.Do you really believe this to be true? lol
Keep the :steamsalty: flowing:lunar2019laughingpig:
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Soldner42:
Also, you cant take like atleast 50% of the Game Reviews seriously.
Last time i was an the store site of Timber & Stone, most recent reviews wrote that the Game has big potential and when being developed further the Game would have a very good future, not realizing that the Game was already for Years dead.

Steam Reviews are.. not very helpful. Especially when People just have some Minutes or Hours in a Game where you would need some tenish or even Hundred hours to fully understand and see the Game.
Reminds me of AC:O where you needed atleast 10 - 100 Hours to see what the entire Game is about and that its mostly just Repetetion.
Or in other Words.. People Start the Game, People are excited, People like the first Impressions. Instant good Review.. no matter how bad the Game could be.

And my Comment was also more like Generally speaking for what would have happend if Mafia wasnt a good Game. I mean, i also like Mafia.. its a good Remake. I just wanted to Point out that 2K gives zero ♥♥♥♥♥ about us Fans.


Then the opposite should be true as well, negative reviews aren't very helpful. Can't have your pie two ways, buddy.
Kinda Depends.
I watch often just the Negative Reviews to see what People complain about and if it would bother me. Ofcourse if they just write: "Meh, bad Game."
Than yes, thats not Helpful. But most of the Time the Positive Reviews are the lazy ones and the Negative ones are the Helpful ones since People mostly state the bad things they get annoyed by, or the reasons why they gave a bad review.. or its Review bombing for some reason.

But yes, you can play this Game 2 ways.. but from my Experience, the Positive Reviews are often more misleading and less honest than the Negative ones.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Soldner42; 28 Σεπ 2020, 13:35
I'm from the Czech Rep, I've bought Mafia 1 at the release and finished it many times.
Mafia Remake is still much better game, period.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Take me or give me 72:
Maybe i am just to worried about my favorite game, but the way you guys talk say something else about this game/market.
There are also some respectful people who tried to calm me down just by talking about quality, i will thank you all and later.
The original isn't going anywhere, even if it was you'd still have it so I don't see why you'd be worried.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Ace:
The original isn't going anywhere, even if it was you'd still have it so I don't see why you'd be worried.

Sorry for delay, I have some physical damages/pains,

The original Mafia was under the development for more than 4 years and finished in 2000, the publisher delayed it for 1 year to release it, meanwhile Rockstar make a gta 3 in a 1.5 year and released it months before the Mafia release.

Later on the T2-2K (the owner of the rockstar) brought the Mafia tittle (IP) and the Developers company of it.

2K changed the Developers company to its own name.

And after almost finishing the the Mafia 2 development, 2K make the legendary artist/director/write like Daniel Vavra to leaved the Mafia 2 project near the end,

They forced the rest of the developers to remove some lore of the game like the bus, trains and limited number of heavy weapons to carry on and etc.

Still the Mafia 2 was a successful tittle for the players and critics, mostly in the parts of decent writing and directing of the work. (and sure how much details it have from the co-workers on it)

Then 2K kicked out the rest of developers right after the success of the sale.

Years later, even wen the Mafia 1 had/have a big fan base and sale, 2K removed it from the Steam.

After the heavy attacks of fans, 2K bring it back to the market but with the removed some audio files in the name of copyright, (while any none brain dead person knows how much old musics are cheap to buy)

Meanwhile they polished gta 3 while not only damaging Mafia but also didn't adding at least wide screen support.

Then 2K brought some newbie developers to make Mafia 3,

The main character of the Mafia 3 was someone totally out of Mafia family/category who slaughter families/characters/category of classic mafioso. that was the "the end", "finishing move" on this series.

Now wen at least people knows the original Mafia as a father of the games like gta, saint sow, godfather, scarface and etc. In the remake, they removed all side quest, free time between the missions, free rides on the main camping and etc. like this game was never the open world but the liner adventure.

No need to mention that they removed everything that gta series haven't them from the start.

Or, let say it was hard for the developers to bring that details, so one question i have, we had a button to turn on/off the cars engine while sitting in the car. it had a great impression wen was waiting for something and etc. while placing the option like this will need a few minutes of the work, why they didn't even put this one?

And someone here say:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J4MESOX4D:
'Disrespecting' is a strong word and it's laughable to use it in this instance. This game is not here to replace the original but it has probably saved the series.

Disrespecting is laughable? this game is saving the series from what? the 2K it self?

Final world:
2K may have a plan to make a Mafia series from Open world to the liner cinematic genre,
And if they just done some mistakes with the fans and original developers but all with the good willing, they can apologies for disrespecting accidental or at least explained whats happened in the details, they can care and repair the damaged the Original Mafia (at least as its one of the most important games in our history). and i promise all the old school fans will be here buying the 2K games again happily, personally i have many 2K games on my 3 launchers and i truly don't want to stop buying and enjoying the great tittle that 2K brought in.

No need to mention that wen the taxi driver on his first mission use the knife like he have a 40 years of criminal background is not showing that they do know what they are doing, if they are doing something with the good will.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Be kind; 1 Οκτ 2020, 21:04
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Later on the 2K (the owner of the rockstar) brought the Mafia tittle (IP) and the Developers company of it.
2K =/= T2
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Take me or give me 72:
Then 2K kicked out the rest of developers right after the success of the sale.
This is right, but early development of Mafia 3 was hellish due to internal differences followed with multiple reboots and rewrites. now they're no longer a independent studio and must follow publisher' timeframe.
They gave them what, like 2 years? and they have done nothing, still a concept phase. what do you expect to 2K to do?
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Mafia 1 had/have a big fan base and sale
Subjective, Debatable. maybe in eastern europe, but not in west.
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After the heavy attacks of fans, 2K bring it back to the market but with the removed some audio files in the name of copyright, (while any none brain dead person knows how much old musics are cheap to buy)
What makes you think music publising labels would value older musics for less? and Mafia 1 has like, majority of its soundtrack filled with licensed tracks. And after the heavy attacks of fans? They don't care about those, remember when T2 tried to rub out the whole GTA modding scene? Back then it was actually Rockstar who talked them about it.

edit: quote format broke for some reason
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από [☭]-Soviet-Triumph-; 29 Σεπ 2020, 1:03
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And after almost finishing the the Mafia 2 development, 2K make the legendary artist/director/write like Daniel Vavra to leaved the Mafia 2 project near the end,

.. You got your facts mixed up, here. Daniel Vavra left the project on his own accord because of disagreements to how Mafia 2 should be written, and as such he left the team. He's been directly harassing or scolding developers and actors associated with future releases ever since, even going so far as to harass individual actors whom played in Mafia: Definitive Edition, and trying to say that Mafia: DE is a ruined and disrespectful version of the original Mafia because Definitive Edition has things like explosive barrels, which.. Uh.. Are literally in the original Mafia.

This video documents the silliness quite well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi4ANxW0vhE&feature=youtu.be



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Later on the 2K (the owner of the rockstar) brought the Mafia tittle (IP) and the Developers company of it.

Patently false. 2K is not at all the owner of Rockstar, i'm genuinely not sure where you got this information. Take-Two is the owner of Rockstar.

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Meanwhile they polished gta 3 while not only damaging Mafia but also didn't adding at least wide screen support.

Erm.. No, they did not. Take-Two and Rockstar did. 2K and Hangar 13 were completely unrelated to the GTA series.

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Then 2K brought some newbie developers to make Mafia 3,

That isn't true. Mafia 3 was under development for a long time but was in development hell for quite a while. 2K Czech was working on Mafia 3 but the company had to get restructured due to failing to generate enough revenue after multiple failed projects that never saw the light of day, their version of Mafia 3 being one of them. 2K had hired the new studio, Hangar 13, to develop Mafia 3, but the studio being new doesn't mean that the developers were new, as it featured many employees from various companies like LucasArts and was filled with experienced developers and employees who had left their original careers specifically to work at Hangar 13.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Take me or give me 72:
The main character of the Mafia 3 was someone totally out of Mafia family/category who slaughter families/characters/category of classic mafioso. that was the "the end", "finishing move" on this series.

This was always the general plot for Mafia 3.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Take me or give me 72:
Now wen at least people knows the original Mafia as a father of the games like gta, saint sow, godfather, scarface and etc. In the remake, they removed all side quest, free time between the missions, free rides on the main camping and etc. like this game was never the open world but the liner adventure.

It literally includes free-roam, but the campaign became a more linear experience due to public reception from Mafia 3. free-roam is also filled with side quests, secrets, easter eggs, collectables, and more.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Take me or give me 72:
No need to mention that they removed everything that gta series haven't them from the start.

Not sure what this means. I'm also not sure what GTA has to do with this.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Take me or give me 72:
Or, let say it was hard for the developers to bring that details, so one question i have, we had a button to turn on/off the cars engine while sitting in the car. it had a great impression wen was waiting for something and etc. while placing the option like this will need a few minutes of the work, why they didn't even put this one?

If you were to ask me, it's because the engine automatically turns off when you park in most missions. You required a LUA script to turn engines on and off in Mafia 2, after all.

You seem very confused and misinformed, my friend.
Great post @Jackerino

I can't believe the OP thought 2K owned Rockstar and GTA:lunar2019laughingpig:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ☭-Soviet-Triumph-:
2K =/= T2
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J4MESOX4D:
Great post @Jackerino
I can't believe the OP thought 2K owned Rockstar and GTA:lunar2019laughingpig:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K_(company)

2K is basically Take-Two. I can't believe someone can be that stupid to not see it in the name or at least google it.

Will put a time and replay the respectful comments later on.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Be kind; 29 Σεπ 2020, 11:05
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ☭-Soviet-Triumph-:
2K =/= T2
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Great post @Jackerino
I can't believe the OP thought 2K owned Rockstar and GTA:lunar2019laughingpig:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K_(company)

2K is basically Take-Two. I can't believe someone can be that stupid to not see it in the name or at least google it.

Will put a time and replay the respectful comments later on.
It's a different company:lunar2019laughingpig:
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ☭-Soviet-Triumph-:
2K =/= T2
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J4MESOX4D:
Great post @Jackerino
I can't believe the OP thought 2K owned Rockstar and GTA:lunar2019laughingpig:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K_(company)

2K is basically Take-Two. I can't believe someone can be that stupid to not see it in the name or at least google it.

Will put a time and replay the respectful comments later on.

Do-.. Do you seriously not know how Companies work? Like, for real? This is a genuine question.

The closest you got is that Rockstar and 2K are owned by the same company. But 2K does not own Rockstar. I don't even know how you got this confused, 2K was bought by Take-Two far after Rockstar was.

If you need me to spell it out for you, Take-Two is 2K's parent company. That means Take-Two bought them. Take-Two is Rockstar's parent company. That means Take-Two bought them. Both studios used to be self-dependent, however Take-Two funds them both. Otherwise, 2K and Rockstar are two entirely separate publisher entities which hold their own development studios. They still develop games independently and handle their own executive decisions, as both Rockstar and 2K have their own development studios underneath them. 2K has literally nothing to do with GTA outside of having the same parent company, but they have literally 0 decisions on what happens with that franchise.

What you're saying, is like saying DreamWorks Animation owns Universal Animation Studios, because they have the same parent company (Comcast).

I'm not even being rude, i'm genuinely trying to correct you, here.
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