What is wrong with Team Cherry?

[KDX]

I know how difficult and challenging it is to make games. I give credit to Team Cherry for this, but why don't they give any feedback and provide information about the process? Does anyone have any idea what's going on with these guys?

[Rusted Cake]

引用自 BlackSunEmpire：

引用自 Celery：

All 1 of them.

Keep in mind that over time standards increase as does expectations. The first Assassins Creed was praised massively, nowadays it's a mixed reception because they are regurgitating the same garbage over and over again.

A lot of the time the first entry into a series is received much better than follow ups because it's just a rehash without any real innovations.

Silksong could end up being a rehash and just more of the same as Hollow Knight, which would lead to mixed reviews because you get a split between people that do just want more Hollow Knight and others who want a different experience or expected innovations.

Idk, for me it rather feels as if the standards have decreased over the last 10 years in everything except graphics. Everything nowadays gets labeled as a "masterpiece".

Your game needs to be only halfway decent and everybody is going to call it a "masterpiece", because the quality of AAA games has decreased over the last 10 years so much (70 $ early access/beta tester, battlepass- 🤢 and liveservice wasteland, UI overload, gameplay gets interrupted every 5 minutes by cutscenes, fomo based ingame shops, online gambling/lootboxes, 20 $ for skins, pay2win, contend gated behind preorder bonuses, constant handholding and games being way to easy to play,.....), that people are already happy when the game gets released in a halfway finished state without bugs and shader compilation stuttering.

Just look at Starfield and everybody calling it a masterpiece 😆.

Mediocre is the new good , because most AAA games nowadays are below mediocre ;)

Im not sure if I completely agree on most sequels being not as good as the original game, because we got sequels like :

- Super Metroid
- Dark Souls 1, Sekiro, Bloodborne
- The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
- The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
- Tekken Tag Tournament 2
- Assassins Creed 2
- Mortal Kombat 9
- Battlefield 4
- THPS 1+2
- Fallout 3
- Ori 2

.... but what is defenitely true is that most franchises give us only 1-4 good games before the quality decreases drastically:

- Resident Evil 1,2 and 4
- Batman: Arkham Asylum/City
- Assasins Creed 1,2
- Borderlands 1-2
- Dead Space 1-2
- The Last of Us 1
- Saints Row 1-2
- Battlefield 1-4
- Silent Hill 1-2
- Subnautica 1
- Fallout 1-3
- Halo 1-3

I most certainly find myself agreeing with Black Sun Empire's valid points & good judgment. If your old enough to have played most of those games (like myself), then his points are certainly speaking from a place of truth/experience, with regard to general product quality in the gaming industry.

[BlackSunEmpire]

引用自 Rusted Cake：

I most certainly find myself agreeing with Black Sun Empire's valid points & good judgment. If your old enough to have played most of those games (like myself), then his points are certainly speaking from a place of truth/experience, with regard to general product quality in the gaming industry.

You dont need to be old to enjoy those games.
You can play most of them for free on emulator or buy them for under 20 $.

Seriously whoever still pays 70 $ to play those pseudo games like GOW: Ragnarok, Forbidden West and Spiderman 2, where gameplay gets interrupted every 5 steps by cutscenes and obnoxious writer Self-Insert NPCs are running around with you to nonstop lecture you every 15 seconds about woke agendas and handhold you through the entire game because the publisher thinks you are to stupid to solve puzzles on your own, instead of just buying or downloading GOGs 😎 like Turok 1, Shadowman Remastered, Super Metroid 💎, ...... for under 20$ can't be helped anymore .😉

[JPabloroTTi]

From my humble personal opinion I think they are scared, and do not dare to launch the game, looking at everything in detail, since their predecessor left the bar very high

[Jester]

they just chillen

[error_profilename]

I just hope they realize they can't do this with every game and be a successful studio. Far better studios have tried and failed. Scope creep is very real and as a creative, I'm all too familiar with how quickly it can kill a project. The only reason they've been able to survive this long is because the first game was so good and so successful.

I know no one wants to hear bad things about something they like, but don't take that out on people who are just being honest. Scope creep is usually the sign of a troubled development. Remember this started as DLC.

But I'm cautiously optimistic, even though I'll admit I'm less excited to see Hornet's story and would have preferred that remain as DLC. But that doesn't change the fact, the game will probably be good. I just think people need to realize that the people criticizing Team Cherry don't want them to fail. They want them to succeed. Honestly I'm worried fan feedback has influenced them too much. There's so many people who think the first game is perfect and that the company can do no wrong. No one can live up to perfection. I just hope Team Cherry isn't chasing perfection. It'll tank their studio sooner or later if they are.

[exel]

They make the game you do not best don't complain

[Dalesh]

Well said 👏.

引用自 abort_user：

I just hope they realize they can't do this with every game and be a successful studio. Far better studios have tried and failed. Scope creep is very real and as a creative, I'm all too familiar with how quickly it can kill a project. The only reason they've been able to survive this long is because the first game was so good and so successful.

I know no one wants to hear bad things about something they like, but don't take that out on people who are just being honest. Scope creep is usually the sign of a troubled development. Remember this started as DLC.

But I'm cautiously optimistic, even though I'll admit I'm less excited to see Hornet's story and would have preferred that remain as DLC. But that doesn't change the fact, the game will probably be good. I just think people need to realize that the people criticizing Team Cherry don't want them to fail. They want them to succeed. Honestly I'm worried fan feedback has influenced them too much. There's so many people who think the first game is perfect and that the company can do no wrong. No one can live up to perfection. I just hope Team Cherry isn't chasing perfection. It'll tank their studio sooner or later if they are.

[Bugsfester]

If I'd make a reasonable guess, is that they have over complicated hornet's movement system since each crest has a unique set of attack-pogo-power movement. Thus, they have to redesign all areas to account for all of these added complexities.
Remember, the knight only has 1 set of movement throughout the entire game, so making the metroidvania ability gates design is relatively easier.

I'd also suggest that since hornet moves much faster than the knight, silksong has to be at least 2 times longer and taller than HW, so it's 2x2=4 times the content they have to make and 4 times the area of map they have to decorate with foreground and background, maybe even 4 times the variety of enemies, you get my point.

To make it all even worse, silksong has an impossible hat to fill, to many fans HW's the greatest game ever made. Team Cherry not only need to make a good game, but a great one with even more stories, lore and hidden depth. Because they've seen the failures of the likes of Salt and Sacrifice, they will try to polish it as much as possible while not straying from the core gameplay too much.

To quote Miyamoto "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."

[Galactidot]

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad.", as Bugsfester bought up Miyamoto's quote.

Besides, the game awards are soon. AFTER that we can throw all hope out the window 🤡

[Marshmallow Zorua]

To those saying the game needs time and shouldn't be rushed; you are entirely and absolutely correct, however, that's not what people are asking about. While the title of this thread is a rather incendiary, the main concern is the absolute *lack* of communication from Team Cherry about the whole matter.

They are not asking for the game to be finished, they are asking just for *any* communication. Even a simple "hey, we're still alive and exist" would be very nice.

[Galactidot]

引用自 Blackjack：

To those saying the game needs time and shouldn't be rushed; you are entirely and absolutely correct, however, that's not what people are asking about. While the title of this thread is a rather incendiary, the main concern is the absolute *lack* of communication from Team Cherry about the whole matter.

They are not asking for the game to be finished, they are asking just for *any* communication. Even a simple "hey, we're still alive and exist" would be very nice.

And I sure as hell hope we get that at the game awards

[fromage_enrage]

引用自 Galactidot：

引用自 Blackjack：

To those saying the game needs time and shouldn't be rushed; you are entirely and absolutely correct, however, that's not what people are asking about. While the title of this thread is a rather incendiary, the main concern is the absolute *lack* of communication from Team Cherry about the whole matter.

They are not asking for the game to be finished, they are asking just for *any* communication. Even a simple "hey, we're still alive and exist" would be very nice.

And I sure as hell hope we get that at the game awards

Get your clown outfit ready bro

[Zeroo]

引用自 Saukki：

引用自 Melodia：

Spoken like someone completely ignorant about game development.

The development of Hollow Knight took 3 years and the last DLC was released in the middle of 2018. It's almost 2024 now.
Work your ass off and/or pay a few million for extra manpower and what i said is completely plausible. They already are millionaires from the first game.

Millionaire or not, its not like they are cheating you since you cant even pre order it. Seriously you grown men get butthurt over something like this, theres always other games out there.

[Galactidot]

引用自 They Call Me Steve：

引用自 Galactidot：

And I sure as hell hope we get that at the game awards

Get your clown outfit ready bro

ready. hit me up if u want a clown PFP.

[Marshmallow Zorua]

No silk song at the game awards