PLEASE DON'T USE DENUVO

[min3r95]

I need Team Cherry to confirm that they won't use DENUVO, seeing how it sneaking
it's way into indie games is concerning.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Melodia:

Originally posted by Plus Escapee:

Denuvo takes away player freedom to modify their experience as they see fit.

Rarely. The large majority of modding is unaffected by Denuvo.

You're right in that Denuvo does not largely prevent modding. However, it does prevent, or at least complicates, a small yet pivotal subset of mods which require modifying the executable. All the veterans here know how instrumental SKSE and other script extenders were in how Skyrim developed to be, not simply a huge financial success, but also a cultural phenomenon which hit every demographic.

Hence why the statement "Denuvo takes away player freedom to modify their experience as they see fit." is correct.

[Plus Escapee]

Originally posted by lukaself:

All the veterans here know how instrumental SKSE and other script extenders were in how Skyrim developed to be, not simply a huge financial success, but also a cultural phenomenon which hit every demographic.

I was only correct by accident, but it seems like the sort of protection in place here lacks intellectual humility. Is it really the case that a developer doesn't want to be outdone by unpaid enthusiasts, even when their work increases the value of the product?

I mention my experience because I've never encountered security software that wasn't parasitic and/or unnecessary. Even the money surrounding it doesn't make sense; it's often a product none of us want. Why treat video games like they need this extended security? It's not as if playing a game is a financial endeavor or that the game itself is a military project (Lockheed Martin's role in GPU's aside).

It's been a safe bet for more than two decades; avoid security software unless you truly have no clue what you are doing.

[bassyey]

I buy games I like with or without Denuvo. I don't really like Steam DRM too.

[min3r95]

Originally posted by bassyey:

I buy games I like with or without Denuvo. I don't really like Steam DRM too.

I have a principle of not buying games that have intrusive DRMs unless they're free or I can get for right next to nothing(sales,bundles).
I found Steam DRM to be more tolerable than any 3rd party DRM, cause it's completely optional and it's not as intrusive, games that use it can work in offline mode for an infinite amount of time,you can switch steam to offline mode right after downloading and they'll still launch-able.

[MapleOmega]

Id imagine Team Cherry sales speak for themselves, they don't need Denuvo, even with the pirated versions. They'll still print money

[array[LTU]]

Originally posted by bassyey:

I buy games I like with or without Denuvo. I don't really like Steam DRM too.

What wrong with Steam DRM?

[Ashes]

Originally posted by arrayLTU:

Originally posted by bassyey:

I buy games I like with or without Denuvo. I don't really like Steam DRM too.

What wrong with Steam DRM?

A lot of people prefer to purchase DRM-free copies, which you can store on any storage format you desire.

This entire post is pointless because it's very extremely unlikely that Silksong will have any additional third-party DRM. It's also likely that like Hollow Knight, the new game will have a DRM-free version on GoG.

[array[LTU]]

Originally posted by Ashes:

Originally posted by arrayLTU:

What wrong with Steam DRM?

A lot of people prefer to purchase DRM-free copies, which you can store on any storage format you desire.

This entire post is pointless because it's very extremely unlikely that Silksong will have any additional third-party DRM. It's also likely that like Hollow Knight, the new game will have a DRM-free version on GoG.

I was just curious about your comment regarding steam drm and thought maybe there is something I don't know :D If you want to preserve a copy, just download a cracked version. I mean you paid for it so why not.

[Ashes]

Originally posted by arrayLTU:

Originally posted by Ashes:

A lot of people prefer to purchase DRM-free copies, which you can store on any storage format you desire.

This entire post is pointless because it's very extremely unlikely that Silksong will have any additional third-party DRM. It's also likely that like Hollow Knight, the new game will have a DRM-free version on GoG.

I was just curious about your comment regarding steam drm and thought maybe there is something I don't know :D If you want to preserve a copy, just download a cracked version. I mean you paid for it so why not.

Well, because first and foremost cracked versions don't always work properly and secondly because downloading pirated versions of software and games isn't exactly safe in terms of privacy and security, especially when you have already purchased your games/software.

For people who wish to preserve copies on their own storage platforms it's easier to purchase them through retailers such as GoG which offer a great DRM-free selection of titles. Steam technically has a form of DRM, but is more so a great gaming ecosystem with a lot of features that users enjoy. Denuvo on the other hand is nothing short of an additional anti-consumer, anti-piracy measure that has been proven to be detrimental to performance and the overall experience multiple times over.

[array[LTU]]

Originally posted by Ashes:

Well, because first and foremost cracked versions don't always work properly and secondly because downloading pirated versions of software and games isn't exactly safe in terms of privacy and security, especially when you have already purchased your games/software.

For people who wish to preserve copies on their own storage platforms it's easier to purchase them through retailers such as GoG which offer a great DRM-free selection of titles. Steam technically has a form of DRM, but is more so a great gaming ecosystem with a lot of features that users enjoy. Denuvo on the other hand is nothing short of an additional anti-consumer, anti-piracy measure that has been proven to be detrimental to performance and the overall experience multiple times over.

Well obviously gog is better if you want to have a proper copy with a latest update but if you have no option to get it from there and only steam version exists, then cracked version is kind of your only option. Just saying. Security issues might come into play if you look for cracks using google and get them from some weird website. Use torrents (preferably private trackers) and releases from crack groups that has been active for a while and you'll be fine. Cracked games if you manage to reach main menu, they are also running fine. Also cracked games are not the only thing that could screw up your system. Partitioning disk and storing important files not on C disk should be a no brainer whether you pirate software or not. Have a flash drive with windows if you need to reinstall them and nothing tragic will ever happen.

[min3r95]

Originally posted by arrayLTU:

Well obviously gog is better if you want to have a proper copy with a latest update but if you have no option to get it from there and only steam version exists, then cracked version is kind of your only option. Just saying. Security issues might come into play if you look for cracks using google and get them from some weird website. Use torrents (preferably private trackers) and releases from crack groups that has been active for a while and you'll be fine. Cracked games if you manage to reach main menu, they are also running fine. Also cracked games are not the only thing that could screw up your system. Partitioning disk and storing important files not on C disk should be a no brainer whether you pirate software or not. Have a flash drive with windows if you need to reinstall them and nothing tragic will ever happen.

If only GOG have regional pricing

[Ashes]

Originally posted by min3r95:

Originally posted by arrayLTU:

Well obviously gog is better if you want to have a proper copy with a latest update but if you have no option to get it from there and only steam version exists, then cracked version is kind of your only option. Just saying. Security issues might come into play if you look for cracks using google and get them from some weird website. Use torrents (preferably private trackers) and releases from crack groups that has been active for a while and you'll be fine. Cracked games if you manage to reach main menu, they are also running fine. Also cracked games are not the only thing that could screw up your system. Partitioning disk and storing important files not on C disk should be a no brainer whether you pirate software or not. Have a flash drive with windows if you need to reinstall them and nothing tragic will ever happen.

If only GOG have regional pricing:rbrbu3:

Well, I guess you'll either spend whatever they're asking on there or just have to deal with the Steam version. Plus that, GoG HAS regional pricing, just doesn't cover the same broad country spectrum. I also pay for everything in euros, despite living in a country with a different currency where things should be cheaper.

[min3r95]

Originally posted by Ashes:

Well, I guess you'll either spend whatever they're asking on there or just have to deal with the Steam version. Plus that, GoG HAS regional pricing, just doesn't cover the same broad country spectrum. I also pay for everything in euros, despite living in a country with a different currency where things should be cheaper.

I hope this game will also DRM-free on steam(steam does sell DRM-free games)

[Melodia]

Originally posted by min3r95:

I hope this game will also DRM-free on steam(steam does sell DRM-free games)

Considering Hollow Knight is, it's pretty likely.

[Callista]

I want to be able to play Silksong offline, so I'm picking anti-Denuvo. But if they do use Denuvo, I'm not gonna complain.