Why Silksong is being delayed so far.

[Ciaran-E-S]

As some might know, Silksong was originally going to be a DLC for Hollow Knight, later on it was announced to be the sequel to Hollow Knight, no longer a DLC. Since that was announced in 2019, it has only been 3 years since they started development on the game. Considering the fact that Silksong has had development straight after finishing the Godmaster DLC, the 3 developers, yes only 3 have been exhausted from constant work on the original game. Do you get it now?

[Phirestar]

A few points:

1. Silksong is not, and has never been, delayed. A "delay" would imply that a release date was previously specified, and the project has been met with unforeseen issues that result in it no longer being able to meet that date, and will now be released at a future point. Since Team has never given a statement regarding any form of launch window, it cannot have been pushed back to a new date, and therefor cannot be delayed.

2. We've been told, by Leth, that early stages of development on Silksong had begun shortly after the release of the original Hollow Knight (and possibly sometime before it as well). So it has been in development for at least 5 years - 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, and now going into 2022 - not 3 years.

3. Can we please have something new in this forum? It is tiring to come back here all the time and see only two kinds of threads: the one where someone is upset over the game not being out / the developers not giving an update, and the other one where someone rants / criticizes the people that make the first type of thread. If those are the only post ideas that anybody can come up with, then this forum might as well remain silent like Team Cherry's blog.

[eggseed]

Originally posted by Phirestar:

A few points:

1. Silksong is not, and has never been, delayed. A "delay" would imply that a release date was previously specified, and the project has been met with unforeseen issues that result in it no longer being able to meet that date, and will now be released at a future point. Since Team has never given a statement regarding any form of launch window, it cannot have been pushed back to a new date, and therefor cannot be delayed.

2. We've been told, by Leth, that early stages of development on Silksong had begun shortly after the release of the original Hollow Knight (and possibly sometime before it as well). So it has been in development for at least 5 years - 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, and now going into 2022 - not 3 years.

3. Can we please have something new in this forum? It is tiring to come back here all the time and see only two kinds of threads: the one where someone is upset over the game not being out / the developers not giving an update, and the other one where someone rants / criticizes the people that make the first type of thread. If those are the only post ideas that anybody can come up with, then this forum might as well remain silent like Team Cherry's blog.

we dont have much to talk about the game since we dont have any info in the past 3~4 years

[JDlightside]

that second point you have there only makes the radio silience/lack of news from Team Cherry all the more baffling; I'd perhaps even say drastically so.

Hell, even the Hollow Knight subreddit barely even talks about Silksong at all at this point. Though, I would guess that, if it weren't for moderators there, there'd probably just be more posts there about this subject matter anyway.

[DJDiceZ]

Originally posted by jdlightside:

that second point you have there only makes the radio silience/lack of news from Team Cherry all the more baffling; I'd perhaps even say drastically so.

Hell, even the Hollow Knight subreddit barely even talks about Silksong at all at this point. Though, I would guess that, if it weren't for moderators there, there'd probably just be more posts there about this subject matter anyway.

There's nothing baffling about it. Going radio silence and taking many years to make a game has always been the industry standard. The NORM. In fact, for a game of this scale, with that small of a team, it should take longer than average. Consider yourself lucky if we get it this year

Since indie devs have become a huge thing, people in the gaming community suddenly have felt entitled to free post 1.0 content and indepth weekly updates from devs without fail, which is absolutely ABSURD. Silly.

[MaxxGold]

Originally posted by DJDiceZ:

Originally posted by jdlightside:

that second point you have there only makes the radio silience/lack of news from Team Cherry all the more baffling; I'd perhaps even say drastically so.

Hell, even the Hollow Knight subreddit barely even talks about Silksong at all at this point. Though, I would guess that, if it weren't for moderators there, there'd probably just be more posts there about this subject matter anyway.

There's nothing baffling about it. Going radio silence and taking many years to make a game has always been the industry standard. The NORM. In fact, for a game of this scale, with that small of a team, it should take longer than average. Consider yourself lucky if we get it this year

Since indie devs have become a huge thing, people in the gaming community suddenly have felt entitled to free post 1.0 content and indepth weekly updates from devs without fail, which is absolutely ABSURD. Silly.

Your whole post is nonsense. It's not the NORM and it usually means there are major issues and red flags. Yes, some developers choose to quietly work on their game, but plenty of developers make updates along the way. And you keep making the point about a small team, which begs the question, why don't they hire some more help? The fact that they haven't means there are major issues with the development of this game. I really don't care when they release it, but in my opinion, this game isn't coming out anytime soon, and at some point you will get what everyone else already knows.

[JDlightside]

I have a feeling people wouldn't be defending this if it wasn't Hollow Knight

It doesn't have to be the norm. There have been games in which the devs have communicated at least somewhat frequently (even once every couple months or so would be good enough). ATM, I think It would be more than enough for Team Cherry to simply clarified if the game was coming out in 2022 or not, or at least trying to.

[Phirestar]

Originally posted by MaxxGold:

And you keep making the point about a small team, which begs the question, why don't they hire some more help? The fact that they haven't means there are major issues with the development of this game.

Have you considered the thought that perhaps they're simply not interested in having more people on the team, or working on the game? That they're happy with keeping the staff small in order to retain a greater level of control over the game's direction, so that it doesn't potentially detract away from what they'd like for it to become?

Claiming that because the game is big, and the team small, that it's indicative of development issues is... well, you're just pulling that out of your a**, to be honest. Especially since we have a person involved in the community - Leth - who's job includes keeping the community up-to-date with the state of the game's progress. And he has stated, in the past, that Team Cherry has not run into any sort of issues that would greatly impact development.

[KocLobster]

Originally posted by MaxxGold:

why don't they hire some more help? The fact that they haven't means there are major issues with the development of this game.

This is really, really bad logic lol. Why would you blindly assume this?

[Corrosion]

Originally posted by cookie!:

Originally posted by MaxxGold:

why don't they hire some more help? The fact that they haven't means there are major issues with the development of this game.

This is really, really bad logic lol. Why would you blindly assume this?

You have zero videoludic knowledge, as you already proved in other threads. Go back to your cave, your IQ is not high enough for this sort of discussions.

[Cassandre]

They have nothing to prove considering the gem they already have created while being only three people.

If they didn't expanded the team, it's probably simply because it's already working well like that.
It's not easy to add a new member in a small team as the impact is much heavier. Introducing a new member means dividing the benefits by another share (thus increasing the development costs) while not being sure this will do good to the game. It's safer to assume that a longer development time is probably the best solution. There's also a chance they didn't find someone that meet their requirements.

Plus, if I remember well they said they were working on several projects at the same time.
As it's probably more interesting in a creator perspective to explore new mechanics and gameplay, there is a good chance this is having an impact on Silksong development time.
But it probably can be a good thing too if they learn some new things that can be used to improve Silksong.

Another hypothesis is them coding on a new engine for Silksong to try and avoid some difficulties they met in HK. This would mean rebuild some things from scratch.


In the end, the answer to all these questions will emerge. But I'm pretty sure all the time invested in this game will be for the better.

[Corrosion]

Originally posted by Cassandre:

They have nothing to prove considering the gem they already have created while being only three people.

If they didn't expanded the team, it's probably simply because it's already working well like that.
It's not easy to add a new member in a small team as the impact is much heavier. Introducing a new member means dividing the benefits by another share (thus increasing the development costs) while not being sure this will do good to the game. It's safer to assume that a longer development time is probably the best solution. There's also a chance they didn't find someone that meet their requirements.

Plus, if I remember well they said they were working on several projects at the same time.
As it's probably more interesting in a creator perspective to explore new mechanics and gameplay, there is a good chance this is having an impact on Silksong development time.
But it probably can be a good thing too if they learn some new things that can be used to improve Silksong.

Another hypothesis is them coding on a new engine for Silksong to try and avoid some difficulties they met in HK. This would mean rebuild some things from scratch.


In the end, the answer to all these questions will emerge. But I'm pretty sure all the time invested in this game will be for the better.

Proper hypothesis: they're keeping the hype up with fake content in order to sell the first HK more before announcing that there will be no sequel. Basic Marketing strategy, already used multiple times in the industry.
And believe me, the day that you'll all realize that, i will be there laughing hard at you for being so blind all this time. It's really hilarious how they are able to toy with you normies.

[NovaMew]

Originally posted by Corrosion:

Originally posted by cookie!:

This is really, really bad logic lol. Why would you blindly assume this?

You have zero videoludic knowledge, as you already proved in other threads. Go back to your cave, your IQ is not high enough for this sort of discussions.

Aint this the same behavior that got you banned from lego star wars? Maybe this needs to be reported too.

[Corrosion]

Originally posted by Nova:

Originally posted by Corrosion:

You have zero videoludic knowledge, as you already proved in other threads. Go back to your cave, your IQ is not high enough for this sort of discussions.

Aint this the same behavior that got you banned from lego star wars? Maybe this needs to be reported too.

Don't you worry, my friends will have fun on your online carcass soon.

[Cassandre]

Haha, ok, so I'll just focus on that :

Originally posted by Corrosion:

Basic Marketing strategy, already used multiple times in the industry.

Give me at least three documented examples of that so-called basic strategy so I can give a little credit to what you said ;)

If not, let the grown-ups talks together while you play with your little trolly-toys, sweetheart.

[Corrosion]

Originally posted by Cassandre:

Haha, ok, so I'll just focus on that :

Originally posted by Corrosion:

Basic Marketing strategy, already used multiple times in the industry.

Give me at least three documented examples of that so-called basic strategy so I can give a little credit to what you said ;)

If not, let the grown-ups talks together while you play with your little trolly-toys, sweetheart. :balloonicorn:

Only three? Easy,

Black and White 3 (Lionhead Studios)
Project Titan (Blizzard, some scraps of the concept were later used in the creation of Overwatch)
Hand of Fate 3 (Defiant)

There is a plethora of others examples.