Hollow Knight: Silksong

Hollow Knight: Silksong

Big Chimpin 2019 年 2 月 14 日 下午 5:36
Thank you for not being an Epic Store exclusive
When I first saw the headline announcing the game I was bracing for it to be an Epic Store exclusive like other high profile indie games seem to be doing. Nice to have this on Steam, GOG, etc.
最后由 Big Chimpin 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 14 日 下午 6:31
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Terranigma23 2019 年 5 月 2 日 下午 8:28 
I contact Team Cherry, if I have a answer I tell you.
最后由 Terranigma23 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 2 日 下午 8:28
livin' 2019 年 5 月 3 日 下午 2:08 
yeah, absolutely no way am i buying this if it's epic game store exclusive, epic games store is literal spy-ware, that said i doubt it will be, extremely good devs so far
最后由 livin' 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 3 日 下午 2:08
Anonysaurus 2019 年 5 月 4 日 上午 7:13 
>for not being an Epic Store exclusive

it is not yet late to become one
Darkill 4K 2019 年 5 月 5 日 上午 5:46 
+1
Big Chimpin 2019 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:15 
引用自 clambchowder
引用自 Akari_Enderwolf
there's also the fact that they can just simply say "no, we will NOT be bought by you" pretty sure companies don't have to be bought if they don't want to be
I mean, hostile takeovers exist. It happened once with Zenimax Media around 2002. (Zenimax own Bethesda Softworks)
That only works if it's a publicly traded company on the stock exchange. They buy up shares until they have a controlling majority. No such thing can happen to a privately owned company.
jintoya 2019 年 5 月 7 日 上午 6:27 
thing is, epic store exclusivity is highway robbery, highway robbery isnt taking your money from you, the difference between theft and highway robbery is, a thief takes your things, a highwayman takes your choice to do anything about it and demands you bend the knee or die.

epic says "your money or no game" in place of "your money or your life" where the road to progression is the game in this analogy. there are no other options, you either give THEM the cash, and them alone...or no progression.

in times like that, il don my tricorn and head up the gangway once again, il sooner dangle at the end of the yardarm than give em a cent.
AscendedViking7 2019 年 5 月 7 日 上午 8:17 
引用自 jintoya
thing is, epic store exclusivity is highway robbery, highway robbery isnt taking your money from you, the difference between theft and highway robbery is, a thief takes your things, a highwayman takes your choice to do anything about it and demands you bend the knee or die.

epic says "your money or no game" in place of "your money or your life" where the road to progression is the game in this analogy. there are no other options, you either give THEM the cash, and them alone...or no progression.

in times like that, il don my tricorn and head up the gangway once again, il sooner dangle at the end of the yardarm than give em a cent.
Exactly!
Akari_Enderwolf 2019 年 5 月 9 日 下午 7:34 
引用自 clambchowder
引用自 jintoya
thing is, epic store exclusivity is highway robbery, highway robbery isnt taking your money from you, the difference between theft and highway robbery is, a thief takes your things, a highwayman takes your choice to do anything about it and demands you bend the knee or die.

epic says "your money or no game" in place of "your money or your life" where the road to progression is the game in this analogy. there are no other options, you either give THEM the cash, and them alone...or no progression.

in times like that, il don my tricorn and head up the gangway once again, il sooner dangle at the end of the yardarm than give em a cent.
Exactly!
So much this!
JapanGamer29 2019 年 5 月 15 日 下午 7:08 
Not Team Cherry, yet, but the Terraria devs have tweeted...

“No Re-Logic title will ever be an Epic Store exclusive. There is no amount of money we could be offered to sell our souls.”

https://twitter.com/cennxx/status/1128408696139198464?s=21
Gambit-3k 2019 年 5 月 20 日 下午 5:29 
Can people please help spread the fact that Valve takes '0%' of the revenue for games (steam keys) sold on other store fronts or the devs own store. If you want to give TC '100%' of your money, all you have to do is buy it directly from them.

When you buy a steam key on HumbleBundle, directly from the dev, or from any other retailer, valve gets 'nothing'. Valve provides key distribution, cdn services, forums, free p2p networking, and workshop support. The only catch is you have to let Valve sell your game on the Steam store as well. What a horrible horrible company.

The downside to selling steam keys yourself is you have to worry about fraud and customer support, but devs have that choice.

I also saw a few comments claiming pc gaming was great before valve drm, but PC gaming was practically dead do to piracy before Valve saved it by creating a standard and convenience much like itunes dramatically lowered music piracy. Plus, they saved publishers money since before, they had to pay for packaging and shipping on top of the retail store taking 30 percent.

People welcomed Epic, but the only acceptable exclusive in the PC market is a game you developed yourself. Nobody cared about Fortnite not being on steam.

sorry for my probably crappy grammar.
最后由 Gambit-3k 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 20 日 下午 5:47
Terranigma23 2019 年 5 月 20 日 下午 7:21 
引用自 Gambit-3
Can people please help spread the fact that Valve takes '0%' of the revenue for games (steam keys) sold on other store fronts or the devs own store. If you want to give TC '100%' of your money, all you have to do is buy it directly from them.

When you buy a steam key on HumbleBundle, directly from the dev, or from any other retailer, valve gets 'nothing'. Valve provides key distribution, cdn services, forums, free p2p networking, and workshop support. The only catch is you have to let Valve sell your game on the Steam store as well. What a horrible horrible company.

The downside to selling steam keys yourself is you have to worry about fraud and customer support, but devs have that choice.

I also saw a few comments claiming pc gaming was great before valve drm, but PC gaming was practically dead do to piracy before Valve saved it by creating a standard and convenience much like itunes dramatically lowered music piracy. Plus, they saved publishers money since before, they had to pay for packaging and shipping on top of the retail store taking 30 percent.

People welcomed Epic, but the only acceptable exclusive in the PC market is a game you developed yourself. Nobody cared about Fortnite not being on steam.

sorry for my probably crappy grammar.

Lol sorry, but did you know that the new version of Denuvo is really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ (game get cracked in less than 2 days) and compagny pay a LOT for Denuvo. So the argument about Valve save the game from piracy is false, but I quite understand your view.
Gambit-3k 2019 年 5 月 20 日 下午 9:10 
引用自 tristan_sonic
Lol sorry, but did you know that the new version of Denuvo is really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ (game get cracked in less than 2 days) and compagny pay a LOT for Denuvo. So the argument about Valve save the game from piracy is false, but I quite understand your view.
I didn't say say they killed piracy, I said they lowered it substantially to the point where major developers started bringing more titles to PC, but nice bait.

Screw it, I'll bite. The point I was trying to make was not that piracy was stopped because Valve drm stopped cracked games. It was about convenience and a trusted source, that's what people were willing to support (much like itunes did with music). I mean being able to format your hard drive, install windows, install steam and all your games are ready to go with the press of a button. it's just easier and less hassle than pirating. If people can afford it, many will pay for that convenience. That's why GOG can sell drm free games and make a profit.

Anyway, that was just a side topic. I'm more concerned with my point about revenue sharing and how valve takes 0% from keys sold outside steam. I probably should of just stuck to that.

edit: It probably wasn't fair to call that bait, but hopefully I've made what I was trying to say more clear.
最后由 Gambit-3k 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 21 日 上午 12:21
jintoya 2019 年 5 月 21 日 上午 5:41 
引用自 Gambit-3
引用自 tristan_sonic
Lol sorry, but did you know that the new version of Denuvo is really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ (game get cracked in less than 2 days) and compagny pay a LOT for Denuvo. So the argument about Valve save the game from piracy is false, but I quite understand your view.
I didn't say say they killed piracy, I said they lowered it substantially to the point where major developers started bringing more titles to PC, but nice bait.

Screw it, I'll bite. The point I was trying to make was not that piracy was stopped because Valve drm stopped cracked games. It was about convenience and a trusted source, that's what people were willing to support (much like itunes did with music). I mean being able to format your hard drive, install windows, install steam and all your games are ready to go with the press of a button. it's just easier and less hassle than pirating. If people can afford it, many will pay for that convenience. That's why GOG can sell drm free games and make a profit.

Anyway, that was just a side topic. I'm more concerned with my point about revenue sharing and how valve takes 0% from keys sold outside steam. I probably should of just stuck to that.

edit: It probably wasn't fair to call that bait, but hopefully I've made what I was trying to say more clear.
on the topic of piracy, when you look at sales numbers compared to playerbases (allowing you to get some idea how many pirated games are out there)
it....didn't change outside of a few examples.
what that means is pirates who do this are not buying the game after they cannot pirate it...you are not getting the cash in many cases that you were loosing.
there are many bad arguments for DRM and other anti-cheats, but they are not taking into account the people who just don't buy games with Denuvo or people like me who just neuter it...we show up as pirates in the system, despite paying our entry fee.

this topic was about how epic is a scummy anti-consumer authoritarian games platform and how we are glad that we have had no word of Team Cherry taking a dip in the sewer that is the epic games store...usually a 6 month dip.
Nicolphanton 2019 年 5 月 21 日 上午 11:22 
Steam= +1 buy
Gambit-3k 2019 年 5 月 21 日 上午 11:45 
Yeah If it's on steam I'll buy. If TC sales the steam keys directly from their site, buy it from them and they get 100% of the revenue.
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