Going Medieval

Going Medieval

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NoRestarts 2021 年 6 月 6 日 上午 10:39
Convalesce is a poor choice of word
While it is technically correct, it is not something most people are going to know the definition without googling. "Recovery" or even "recuperate" would probably be a better choice of words. At the very least, update the tool tip. If someone doesn't know the definition of "convalesce" then a description of "convalesce while wounds heal" is not much help.
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XartaX 2021 年 6 月 6 日 下午 11:51 
I'm not a native speaker, but I've never seen the word in my life (and I do consider myself a fluent speaker, even if not a native one). That said, I'm personally not bothered by it that much, as I just looked it up as soon as I saw it since it's important to know what different jobs do. But on the other hand, it is also true that if a word in a game makes a ton of people look it up to know what it means, it is objectively bad game design.
Coalition 2021 年 6 月 7 日 上午 12:17 
引用自 NoRestarts
While it is technically correct, it is not something most people are going to know the definition without googling. "Recovery" or even "recouperate" would probably be a better choice of words. At the very least, update the tool tip. If someone doesn't know the definition of "convalesce" then a description of "convalesce while wounds heal" is not much help.

Don't your remember the time when games actually taught you stuff???

Are you really having problem with simple words anyone should know??

Are you asking the devs to change a word because you had to google it?

Are you serious? :)

XartaX 2021 年 6 月 7 日 上午 12:18 
引用自 Ace
引用自 NoRestarts
While it is technically correct, it is not something most people are going to know the definition without googling. "Recovery" or even "recouperate" would probably be a better choice of words. At the very least, update the tool tip. If someone doesn't know the definition of "convalesce" then a description of "convalesce while wounds heal" is not much help.

Don't your remember the time when games actually taught you stuff???

Are you really having problem with simple words anyone should know??

Are you asking the devs to change a word because you had to google it?

Are you serious? :)
Reread my comment. It's quite ironic if you mock people for not knowing what is absolutely not a common word outside of the native speaking countries themselves if you're not able to understand a comment with a simple and concise structure.

As for "anyone should know". I've played games for more than 25 years in English (I've probably played thousands). I speak English every day with friends from other countries, and I use the language every day as part of my work (although as I said, I'm not a native speaker, and I do not live in a country where English is the primary langauge). And I have never in my life heard of this word. And heck, I've played dozens of hospital sims as well. This does not mean the word does not exist or that it isn't accurate. But the claim that it's a common word (possibly outside of living in a native country, if terms like convalescent leave are common there) is just patently false.
最后由 XartaX 编辑于; 2021 年 6 月 7 日 上午 12:29
Coalition 2021 年 6 月 7 日 上午 12:40 
引用自 XartaX
引用自 Ace

Don't your remember the time when games actually taught you stuff???

Are you really having problem with simple words anyone should know??

Are you asking the devs to change a word because you had to google it?

Are you serious? :)
Reread my comment. It's quite ironic if you mock people for not knowing what is absolutely not a common word outside of the native speaking countries themselves if you're not able to understand a comment with a simple and concise structure.

As for "anyone should know". I've played games for more than 25 years in English (I've probably played thousands). I speak English every day with friends from other countries, and I use the language every day as part of my work (although as I said, I'm not a native speaker, and I do not live in a country where English is the primary langauge). And I have never in my life heard of this word. And heck, I've played dozens of hospital sims as well. This does not mean the word does not exist or that it isn't accurate. But the claim that it's a common word (possibly outside of living in a native country, if terms like convalescent leave are common there) is just patently false.

I'm 33, I've learnt English through videogames, I'm a french native and I never left France.

But you're mostly Right... I might be biased, as "Convalescence" is French :

- Borrowed from Middle French convalescence, from Late Latin convalēscentia (“regaining of health”), from Latin convalēscēn(t-)s, present participle of convalēscere (“to become strong or well”); see convalesce.

No wonder I have no problems with that particular word.
XartaX 2021 年 6 月 7 日 上午 12:42 
引用自 Ace
引用自 XartaX
Reread my comment. It's quite ironic if you mock people for not knowing what is absolutely not a common word outside of the native speaking countries themselves if you're not able to understand a comment with a simple and concise structure.

As for "anyone should know". I've played games for more than 25 years in English (I've probably played thousands). I speak English every day with friends from other countries, and I use the language every day as part of my work (although as I said, I'm not a native speaker, and I do not live in a country where English is the primary langauge). And I have never in my life heard of this word. And heck, I've played dozens of hospital sims as well. This does not mean the word does not exist or that it isn't accurate. But the claim that it's a common word (possibly outside of living in a native country, if terms like convalescent leave are common there) is just patently false.

I'm 33, I've learnt English through videogames, I'm a french native and I never left France.

But you're mostly Right... I might be biased, as "Convalescence" is French :

- Borrowed from Middle French convalescence, from Late Latin convalēscentia (“regaining of health”), from Latin convalēscēn(t-)s, present participle of convalēscere (“to become strong or well”); see convalesce.

No wonder I have no problems with that particular word.

That might be true. I also looked it up in the British National Corpus, and the word has an extremely low frequency (19). Compare it to a normal word like "sick", which has 4266, or an extremely common word like "man", which has 58168. If we look for similar words, "recuperate" has 43 (so used more than twice as often), and "recover" has 1954 (so waaay more common).

My age is 31, I just started playing games and reading books outside of my native language quite early.
最后由 XartaX 编辑于; 2021 年 6 月 7 日 上午 12:52
NoRestarts 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 8:37 
I didn't expect such anger to a suggestion of word choice to make the game more accessible.

Here are the facts for use of the words in literature, according to Google's Ngram Viewer:

https://books.google.com/ngrams

"Recovery" = 0.002%
"Recuperate" = 0.00006%
"Convalesce" = 0.00000008%

While it's used correctly, the data shows it is not commonly used.

English has more than a million total words, about 170,000 words are in current use, and individuals use about 20,000-30,000 words. I guarantee I can find words that even the most well educated among you would need to look up.

But the point of language is communication, if the majority of people don't understand the words you are using, even though used correctly, it does not facilitate communication.
DeadMechGaming 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 9:04 
No offence, but with an argument that basically says "The word is too hard and people aren't willing to learn it's meaning so they should get rid of it" you're not going to gain much traction.

The word was used in pre-industrial times to talk about recovering from an illness or surgery, the game is set in pre-industrial times; it is literally doing exactly what the word says it's doing. Ergo the word is perfectly fine staying in and maybe people should just learn to start using a dictionary again. That or just use some common sense. I mean, if you can't tell what a word means when you see someone doing the action of what that word means then maybe the word isn't the issue. Sounds harsh, but the truth tends to be.
最后由 DeadMechGaming 编辑于; 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 9:08
NoRestarts 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 9:49 
引用自 DeadMechGaming
No offence, but with an argument that basically says "The word is too hard and people aren't willing to learn it's meaning so they should get rid of it" you're not going to gain much traction.

The word was used in pre-industrial times to talk about recovering from an illness or surgery, the game is set in pre-industrial times; it is literally doing exactly what the word says it's doing. Ergo the word is perfectly fine staying in and maybe people should just learn to start using a dictionary again. That or just use some common sense. I mean, if you can't tell what a word means when you see someone doing the action of what that word means then maybe the word isn't the issue. Sounds harsh, but the truth tends to be.

The game is called "Going Medieval" not "Going Pre-industrial times"

The word Convalesce is from the Late 15th century:
https://www.etymonline.com/word/convalesce

The Medieval period is from the 5th century to the beginning of the Renaissance in the 14th century.

The word "recover" is from the 13th century:
https://www.etymonline.com/word/recover

So if the argument is that it should be accurate to the time period, then recover is the more accurate word.
XartaX 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 9:52 
Not to mention if your argument is "learn to use a dictionary"... well why not just use non english words at that point. After all it's not difficult to google it.
最后由 XartaX 编辑于; 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 9:52
DeadMechGaming 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 10:53 
引用自 NoRestarts
引用自 DeadMechGaming
No offence, but with an argument that basically says "The word is too hard and people aren't willing to learn it's meaning so they should get rid of it" you're not going to gain much traction.

The word was used in pre-industrial times to talk about recovering from an illness or surgery, the game is set in pre-industrial times; it is literally doing exactly what the word says it's doing. Ergo the word is perfectly fine staying in and maybe people should just learn to start using a dictionary again. That or just use some common sense. I mean, if you can't tell what a word means when you see someone doing the action of what that word means then maybe the word isn't the issue. Sounds harsh, but the truth tends to be.

The game is called "Going Medieval" not "Going Pre-industrial times"

The word Convalesce is from the Late 15th century:
https://www.etymonline.com/word/convalesce

The Medieval period is from the 5th century to the beginning of the Renaissance in the 14th century.

The word "recover" is from the 13th century:
https://www.etymonline.com/word/recover

So if the argument is that it should be accurate to the time period, then recover is the more accurate word.

1. The word Convalesce's roots come from the Latin words com- ("with, together, jointly") and the verb "valescere" ("to grow strong"). Recovery has no Latin roots, in fact it's a late Middle English word with it's roots in Anglo-Norman French from the word "recovrer" ("get back"). So the word Convalesce predates Recovery by a few centuries.

2. The 15th century is the 1400's. The game is set in the mid 14th century (check the game date in the top corner. You start in 1352). So it is indeed pre-industrial. Anything BEFORE industrial would be considered pre-industrial. Hell the classical era is pre-industrial because the word pre literally means BEFORE.

3. According to Websters dictionary, the word Recovery wasn't used till the 15th century. Also, since Convalesce has it's roots in Latin, that'd mean that those who were educated back then (monks and royalty) would've used the Latin word. And since monks were usually the healers (surgeons and herbalists weren't always readily available, but monasteries where everywhere in Europe), that'd mean the most commonly used word would be the Latin word.

So yes, my argument was 100% time accurate. Try again
最后由 DeadMechGaming 编辑于; 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 11:25
DeadMechGaming 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 10:53 
引用自 XartaX
Not to mention if your argument is "learn to use a dictionary"... well why not just use non english words at that point. After all it's not difficult to google it.

I did, look above.
XartaX 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 11:06 
引用自 DeadMechGaming
引用自 XartaX
Not to mention if your argument is "learn to use a dictionary"... well why not just use non english words at that point. After all it's not difficult to google it.

I did, look above.
I'm talking about in the game. Maybe we'll use norwegian for one job, spanish for another, and italian for a third. After all, you can just look them up while playing.
DeadMechGaming 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 11:10 
引用自 XartaX
引用自 DeadMechGaming

I did, look above.
I'm talking about in the game. Maybe we'll use norwegian for one job, spanish for another, and italian for a third. After all, you can just look them up while playing.

That's a farce argument. Localizations is completely different.
XartaX 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 11:13 
引用自 DeadMechGaming
引用自 XartaX
I'm talking about in the game. Maybe we'll use norwegian for one job, spanish for another, and italian for a third. After all, you can just look them up while playing.

That's a farce argument. Localizations is completely different.
So what? It doesn't matter if you don't know the word. Just look it up. It's not hard.
DeadMechGaming 2021 年 6 月 8 日 上午 11:16 
引用自 XartaX
引用自 DeadMechGaming

That's a farce argument. Localizations is completely different.
So what? It doesn't matter if you don't know the word. Just look it up. It's not hard.

You're arguing for arguments sake. Localizations is nowhere near the same thing as what's being discussed. So either come up with a valid argument, or go back to the kids table.
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