My "racist" comment misplaced on the "Medieval Dynasty" forum:

[Eyndric]

I was in this forum when I started a new discussion, but for some reason it was placed in the "Medieval dynasty" forum where I hadn't been in ages...

So here what I wanted to say HERE:

Paint me racist, but...
People are tribal by nature.
Especially in the days this game is portrayed.
Then why force racial diversity?

I am certain many, white, black, yellow or brown (sorry other colors are not possible in this game) players would love a game purely of their race and start building in their style, Sure some, or maybe many would love the combination of the lot, but is it racist to want a black, white, yellow or brown community?
Please give us the option to change the newcomers!

[Eyndric]

Messaggio originale di Burtnaked:

i like to play an all black colony to piss off the racist idiots

Play one, it would be proof I am correct. We all love to be with our own. It has nothing to do with hatred towards others!

[Eyndric]

Messaggio originale di shadow_strider:

can we get clear color skin tone? that way we take skin color out of the question, also maybe make a more interesting scenario where its harder to see your characters LOL

I think you mean a translucent color? Go for it.

[Eyndric]

I think people misunderstand me a lot, I am not saying one race is above the other, I am not saying I hate people not of my skin color. Please learn to read!

[Odyssey]

Messaggio originale di Eyndric:

I was in this forum when I started a new discussion, but for some reason it was placed in the "Medieval dynasty" forum where I hadn't been in ages...

So here what I wanted to say HERE:

Paint me racist, but...
People are tribal by nature.
Especially in the days this game is portrayed.
Then why force racial diversity?

I am certain many, white, black, yellow or brown (sorry other colors are not possible in this game) players would love a game purely of their race and start building in their style, Sure some, or maybe many would love the combination of the lot, but is it racist to want a black, white, yellow or brown community?
Please give us the option to change the newcomers!

people got along with eachother depending where they were located, not by color the racial diversity back then was because you hated the next town or city or w.e not skin color.

you can also make that your focus if you want a whole city a certain color just banish literally anyone who doesnt fit what you like. problem solved. you can also see the "diversity" mention by looking at old items such as paintings depicting people with different color of skin, but we can even go a step further than that. you have to remember the mass amount of trading that happened back in the day. you dont think people would migrate and live in areas that made them money?

[Jambie Lionheart]

Messaggio originale di Eyndric:

I think people misunderstand me a lot, I am not saying one race is above the other, I am not saying I hate people not of my skin color. Please learn to read!

You say that. But what you're preaching is a segregation mantra that has deep roots in historical racism. That makes you lack credibility when you say that you don't hate based on skin colour. I honestly can't see many people actively caring what colour of skin their settlers are in this day and age. Even if there were a good dozen of so players that did, Devs would never ride along with it because that would be career suicide.

If racists want their own ideals upheld in a game then they'll have to make their own game. No one will do it for them. I'm going to end my contribution to the subject here.

[Grat Dalton]

Link to OP's rant about Bears
LuL
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1029780/discussions/0/3782499798639792972/

[Garstmarst]

Messaggio originale di SeVerin:

Oh my god, not this again. Look, we know what is going to happen here - some may give you awards, some may report you and it will end in locked thread (judging by last time) and maybe a timed ban (dunno how many times you need to be reported to achieve that).

But okay, you choose to "dispute" my previous arguments. You insisted that you are correct. I don't like to repeat myself nor try to force you into believing something that you clearly don't want to do. My question is - what stops you from roleplaying the way you want? As far as everyone knows, you can customize starting settlers and banish whoever you want. What is stopping you to build your "utopia" that way?

Why do you insists on "accuracy" in an alternative history medieval game where the plague has killed 95% of population? Where the population of one's settlement is around 20 settlers usually? Where you have bears on an English land? Where all kinds of animals haul items for settlers? Where people can manifest axe to chop wood out of thin air, but can't use that same axe to fight enemies?

I'm not angry, just confused. Okay, you mentioned that you love medieval times, as many people here do. But if the skin color is what really bothers you... well, I dunno man...

Messaggio originale di Eyndric:

It is our freaking culture!

Statements like these don't help your case.

Culture is something we're taught by other human beings. That's how we learn the culture, and generally speaking by elders. People who are older than us, that are passing something down, generation to generation.

The term culture refers to ideas, behaviors, beliefs, and traditions shared by a large group of people and transmitted between generations. While cultural differences may also include racial differences, much diversity exists within one culture and one race.

I quoted that, just to clarify, as English native speaker can word it much more precise than I can.

----------

That being said - I urge everyone to be civil. I will not reply to this thread anymore as it obvious I can't add anything beyond what I mentioned above.

Other players can give you perspective on the whole situation (and some of them did) if they want, but this is a very baity thread.

I will lock it if it goes out of the way (which some may think that it already did).

I wasn't really all that invested in this game, bought it more like something il come back too and check on later. but ive given you like 5 awards because this is the biggest dev W,

You've caught my attention, looking forward to future updates

[Lich Lord]

I really want to point out that you have a VERY naive view of actual history...The world specifically in this time frame was a melting pot. The Silk road, Rus and Danes trading openly with many races. Kiev was massive trade hub filled with Asian, Arabic and Slavic peoples.

There are even accounts of Black Danes in Ireland, your "culture" is flawed and you have learned "tribal knowledge" which can often be confused with actual knowledge.

There are very few "tribes" that did not intermix in some way. Lets fast forward. Everyone thinks Rome they think White guys in robes. This is Tribal knowledge. Rome was a cultural melting pot also. Africans, Arabs, Asians ect. They lived and traded in all cities. There are few exceptions that support your claims like the Isle of Crete that was once divided by Arabs and Greeks but that is later in history as we as a species became less tolerant.

[Lich Lord]

Messaggio originale di Eyndric:

I was in this forum when I started a new discussion, but for some reason it was placed in the "Medieval dynasty" forum where I hadn't been in ages...

So here what I wanted to say HERE:

Paint me racist, but...
People are tribal by nature.
Especially in the days this game is portrayed.
Then why force racial diversity?

I am certain many, white, black, yellow or brown (sorry other colors are not possible in this game) players would love a game purely of their race and start building in their style, Sure some, or maybe many would love the combination of the lot, but is it racist to want a black, white, yellow or brown community?
Please give us the option to change the newcomers!

If you don't like their skin color deny them refuge until one comes along you do like...

[Fartloud]

I think due to 'plague wiped out 95% humans' lore, people stopped giving a ♥♥♥♥.
However, i would argue that religion should be a 'divisive factor' instead. I mean we do get attacked by some tribe that follows a single religion, yet there are barely any mechanics for you to employ in your own settlement. I have seen settlers become less religious, but never convert to the other religion.

Moreover, according to game's lore, people can't even reproduce. Heck, there are no children. The people you see is what you've got. If there was a system of reproduction, then perhaps there would be a system of inheritable physical traits (like big arms, but low speed or general physical frailness), and then it would make sense if one of which would obviously be color. However, the devs did not want to make any reproduction whatsoever so that is not something to consider.

It is clearly alternative medieval world, rather than what we know from history where people did prefer homogeneous communities (if that wasn't the case they would not be what they are today), but some regions practised a ton of trade more than others. That is not to say that 'trading' and 'creating families' is the same thing, but trading communities did dabble in the other more than isolated communities. So clearly there was a difference between communicating, trading, living side by side or creating families and dynasties together. People had their differences all over the world and that is fine. People are different.

Going Medieval, is not the world. If you want to look for real world paralels then i guess you could look at black plague times. Realistically in such superstitious times, i think people would become more selective and more sceptical of others..
It depends how realistic you want things to be i guess.

[[Ger] Daen]

When I ever meet a fairy and I'm granted one, just one wish, I'd wish for a life so boring, so meaningless, so narrowminded and dull that my biggest concern are skin colors in a video game.

Seriously, 3 settlers cut down 30 trees in one day and build 4 houses the same day but the existence of bears or different skin colors (God help us ALL! [except them. Just us.]) is the one thing enraging you?

[Eyndric]

So many of you are missing the point.
Let me get back to the bear situation. I brought that up in a previous topic because the devs that are now saying "but it's just a game, not reality, stop taking it too serious, blah, blah, blah!" THEMSELVES wrote in one of their updates of the games that there would be no bears because as they claimed bears didn't exist in medieval Britain so it would no sense to have them in the game. They said having bears would make the game unrealistic, so they brought the realism part into the discussion before I even ever said a word. I have no problem with that at all, I find it a valid reason not to include bears and since it is their game it is their choice.
The reason I brought it up is because it is hypocritical of them to say we can't have bears because Britain didn't have them and on the other hand make it so that the vast majority of skin colors aka races are non-White while they were extremely rare in medieval Britain. After that SeVerin added some long debunked news articles claiming Britain was full of other races back then, showing his blinding SJW status.

It is the hypocrisy I attacked them on, not the fact we didn't have bears.

I would just love the option (option, so no removal of other races) to decide which race my small colony would be, or mixed race if I would want that for some role-play reason. At this time in the game the most simple solution that probably would not enrage even the most fanatic SJW is showing the appearance and religion of the incoming settler and removing the punishment for refusing someone. I know you can banish people, but that is a heavy punishment especially in early game.

You guys are so indoctrinated these days that preferring your own race, even in a fantasy setting is automatically racist... IF a White person says it. Yet celebrate diversity when other races express the same desire.

You can call be bigoted, racist or whatever since those words lost their meaning long ago. I just wish you learned to read and try to look at it from the other side before you coming to your conclusion of the intend.

Anyway, there's not much more to add to this topic since it's just moronic attacks so far anyway so... take care.

edit: sorry for the many typo's

[Inopnatum]

The world is black now. Shame if you are white

[[Ger] Daen]

If you are so obsessed with races play Age of Empires instead and let us completely normal people have our game in which we simple do not a give a f*ck about skin color. Be it white, black or anything.
In my settlement everyone is welcome as we struggle for survival. I couldn't care less about the color of their skin...

[Eyndric]

You guys attacking me are clearly way more obsessed with race than I am. Sad little people throwing tantrums over someone asking for more options in a game and refusing to actually read what I have said. So obsessed by proving the world you are not racist.

Meanwhile I will just continue enjoying the game as it is slowly improving and not giving a damn about what strangers think of me while not attacking or baiting people for no reason. You should do the same. Makes life a lot easier.