where this game is heading?

[failsafe]

I've seen roadmap. I've also read some threads on forums ect, but honestly, at this point I dont feel that I understand where Going Medieval is... going ;-). Dont get me wrong, Im not bashing the game or devs, I really like GM and I feel that game is uniqe in many aspects. So it is not about criticising, but rather about trying to find out where are we going with GM.

So, maybe I will just write how I see it now. And best way would be to describe it against certain background. Other games. Obviously many expect that game would be a 3d Rimworld - but I dont feel that it is and from my perspective it is not a problem. We have Rimworld, Keplerth, Dwarf Fortress and so many more, better or worse games in that kind, that most probably we dont need another. Or maybe Im wrong? And there are few games like Clanfolks, where we focus almost entirely on internal developement of our colony with certain aspects of management being much more dense and important than in, for example, Rimworld. CF seems much more realistic in terms of tools usage, various production processes and so on.

If I were to compare GM against RW and CF I would say that currently I see this game somewhere between. GM seems more similar to CF, since it is much more internal based game (focused on colony building rather than expansion, fighting ect). But, in the same time, it is not nearly as sophisticated and some solutions are even more simplified than in RW. But we also have some nice fighting here, maybe not as "dense" as in RW, nonetheless it is present and it forces us to have weapons, build defensive structures ect. This is why I feel that GM is between.

Roadmap suggests that game wants to go towards RW rather than CF. We will have more elements of expansion, more fighting ect. Honestly, I dont know if I like this. I mean it is okay as an idea, but the question is whether GM is going to be just a 3d version of Rimworld, though located in more realistic scenario than RW? Does it mean that focus of developement will be aimed on relations between characters and adding new diplomatic / warfare stuff rather then polishing construction options? I really want to know what to expect from this game, but Im also affraid that game is trying too much to be everything.

Maybe someone understands the agenda better than me and can explain?

[☃]

I'm not sure that the developers like having their game compared to other games. It's gotten me, and others banned in the past. So I guess just be careful with your comparisons.

[failsafe]

Originally posted by ☃:

I'm not sure that the developers like having their game compared to other games. It's gotten me, and others banned in the past. So I guess just be careful with your comparisons.

I think I do it quite often and never got banned. Dont see a reason for that anyway. So far I havent seen any "soviet-style" activity on Going Medieval forums and devs seemed responsive in positive way.

[☃]

Well I've been banned hammered for it in the past. So have others. Especially when we compare this game and the developers to the game Towns, and the developers of Towns who basically took money from everyone and then vanished.

[Morbious]

dev at some point did list which games inspired them there was afew but im way to lazy to go hunt for it i think it was awhile ago

never know next week the dev might reply listing them


from reading the various forums i think there being pulled in different directions
there's over lap between the various vocal groups but keeping them happy is a tightrope
(personally ill take dev engagement and any content over none i play alot of EA games)

if you just want a chilled game im sure the options will be there like current no raids you wont be forced to raid other settlements (which im looking forward to) if you don't want to and just have creative freedom to build or ramp up the setting and fight to hearts content
however im expecting afew crafting processes to change as development goes forward which some players wont like and others will

personally i like seeds others don't (hence options) but i don't like the new fermentation process others do <shrug>

Originally posted by ☃:

It's gotten me, and others banned in the past.

you was obsessed with there money and got your hand slapped and asked to stop but didn't

ive never noticed a poster banned on this forum and i read most things there's been some outrageous posts in the past that i thought ooooo your gonna get a slap but didn't unless they got slapped with a ban afew days later after the steam mod closed them

ive had a steam mod slap my hand afew times in other games forums which to be fair i was asking for it i wanted a holiday from posting
(other games steam forums you see it happen alot due to more people reporting a post)

[☃]

Originally posted by Morbious:

dev at some point did list which games inspired them there was afew but im way to lazy to go hunt for it i think it was awhile ago

never know next week the dev might reply listing them


from reading the various forums i think there being pulled in different directions
there's over lap between the various vocal groups but keeping them happy is a tightrope
(personally ill take dev engagement and any content over none i play alot of EA games)

if you just want a chilled game im sure the options will be there like current no raids you wont be forced to raid other settlements (which im looking forward to) if you don't want to and just have creative freedom to build or ramp up the setting and fight to hearts content
however im expecting afew crafting processes to change as development goes forward which some players wont like and others will

personally i like seeds others don't (hence options) but i don't like the new fermentation process others do <shrug>

Originally posted by ☃:

It's gotten me, and others banned in the past.

you was obsessed with there money and got your hand slapped and asked to stop but didn't

ive never noticed a poster banned on this forum and i read most things there's been some outrageous posts in the past that i thought ooooo your gonna get a slap but didn't unless they got slapped with a ban afew days later after the steam mod closed them

ive had a steam mod slap my hand afew times in other games forums which to be fair i was asking for it i wanted a holiday from posting
(other games steam forums you see it happen alot due to more people reporting a post)

If you say so. All I know is what I know. Things you say, I tend to take with a grain of salt, instead of as food for thought. Because of your level of fanboyism.

Anyway... I'd like to know where this game is going too, personally it looks like it has been going to the gutter to me. Towns actually has more content and better mechanics in comparison. That is just my take on this.

[failsafe]

Option to disable certain elements in the game (like trebuchets) is really okay. I mean it gives player a certain freedom of shaping gaming experience. So, if we keep having options to choose between relaxed game and not so relaxed it will be fine with me.

Honestly, I wait for more freedom in building, more options in building, new shapes ect. Also, maybe a free-mode / sandbox mode, just to build without being worried about anything else. Typically I dont play godmodes, but sometimes I wish I could focus on building certain stuff just like that.

I feel that balancing on the fence - trying to make all people happy doesnt really work. Sometimes devs need to make hard choice. On the other hand, Im not sure whether my attitue is the best one, I dont really know what majority of players expect. Maybe some want this game to be another Total War... hopefully devs know this ;-P

[☃]

Originally posted by failsafe:

I feel that balancing on the fence - trying to make all people happy doesnt really work. Sometimes devs need to make hard choice. On the other hand, Im not sure whether my attitue is the best one, I dont really know what majority of players expect. Maybe some want this game to be another Total War... hopefully devs know this ;-P

I'd just like to see this game actually work. 19-21 settlers max? Settlers digging themselves into holes, and eating raw barley seeds by default? Give me a break...

[failsafe]

Originally posted by ☃:

Anyway... I'd like to know where this game is going too, personally it looks like it has been going to the gutter to me. Towns actually has more content and better mechanics in comparison. That is just my take on this.

You mean Medieval Towns? From what I see I would choose Going Medieval - seems more interesting. But never played MT. Oh, there is also Medieval Dynasty - this one seems really decent, but I dont think that it is comperable to Going Medieval. I really feel that Going Medieval has that something within that makes this game unique.

[failsafe]

Originally posted by ☃:

Originally posted by failsafe:

I feel that balancing on the fence - trying to make all people happy doesnt really work. Sometimes devs need to make hard choice. On the other hand, Im not sure whether my attitue is the best one, I dont really know what majority of players expect. Maybe some want this game to be another Total War... hopefully devs know this ;-P

I'd just like to see this game actually work. 19-21 settlers max? Settlers digging themselves into holes, and eating raw barley seeds by default? Give me a break...

Well... in Rimworld you eat raw rice, not to mention other raw stuff ;-P. But I agree - if this is your point - that current underground "meta" went little too far. I've seen players leaving just small structure above the ground and doing 95% of the town underground. It is funny. But settlers cap is not that bad.

[☃]

No, I mean Towns. A game made back in 2012. Developers vanished and the game has no more development as far as I know. It's like a high-fantasy version of GM. GM is a clone of Towns, in a few ways when you check it out. But I wouldn't suggest buying it, because it is actually still a broken game and not complete even ten years later.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/221020/Towns/

Anyway... I'm really digging on UnReal World for now. It basically has everything I want in a game like what UnReal World is. And has developers that have shown constant love for their game over the course of 30 years now, putting UnReal World in the record books for that, and nearly into a 4th version now. It also has a killer roadmap for future development plans .
https://store.steampowered.com/app/351700/UnReal_World/

I guess I can only hope that GM Devs work at least 1/10th as hard as UrW Devs have and continue to do.

[Morbious]

:P you sure there not paying you to advertise unreal
before you say no we can see post history it highlights the games link :))
in your replies

[☃]

Originally posted by Morbious:

:P you sure there not paying you to advertise unreal
before you say no we can see post history it highlights the games link :))
in your replies

Yes, I'm sure I'm not being paid to "advertise" for UrW. Are you sure that you are not being paid to advertise GM? We can all just as easily search your history too...

[Morbious]

ah i scrub mine
although i do love when people necro a old thread where i missed one

im just trying to be helpful not always successful but trying if that makes me a fanboi well
<shrug> its better than what most say i am so ill take it :))

[SeVerin]

Originally posted by ☃:

I'm not sure that the developers like having their game compared to other games. It's gotten me, and others banned in the past. So I guess just be careful with your comparisons.

It's gotten you banned only once because you were super spammy, very on the nose with promoting a specific game (which honestly made me think you were one of the devs for it), and aggressively rude with your behavior. And your ban lasted for 3 days if I remember correctly. No other person was banned for such a thing because no other person did such things in such a short period. Feel free to list others who were banned, and I'll investigate what happened and apologize personally. If the ban occurred, it was because other players reported it and steam reacted by default.

Originally posted by Morbious:

dev at some point did list which games inspired them there was afew but im way to lazy to go hunt for it i think it was awhile ago

That's correct! One of our members even listed them on imgur:

https://imgur.com/gallery/bCEnmof

Originally posted by Morbious:

ive never noticed a poster banned on this forum and i read most things there's been some outrageous posts in the past that i thought ooooo your gonna get a slap but didn't unless they got slapped with a ban afew days later after the steam mod closed them

Also correct. Now, I have my fair share of disagreements with some of the opinions here on forums, but I also will not attack/delete them just because we don't see eye to eye. We are aware that we can't satisfy everyone, nor that is our intention to do so, but we want for every player to have a unique experience while playing our game. Will that be a chaotic, meme like scenario? Sure. Will it be personal story where you know your settlers and care for their needs? Ideally, that would be nice. What about testing construction options both above and underground? We've seen that happen.

Originally posted by Morbious:

ah i scrub mine

So that is what's happening! I do ask myself from time to time if someone reported you hence the deletion.

Originally posted by ☃:

Well I've been banned hammered for it in the past. So have others. Especially when we compare this game and the developers to the game Towns, and the developers of Towns who basically took money from everyone and then vanished.

Again, you were banned only once - temporarily. And this is the first I've heard of Towns, usually you spam with Unreal World. Nevertheless, what I want to clarify here is people have the right to free speech, hence why I refrain from blocking/deleting posts. Everyone deserves to be heard - but that attitude needs to be appropriate. You can be critical and provide constructive criticism. You can dislike the direction of the game yet be kind. (Your post here has a fine balance of criticism yet understanding: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1029780/discussions/0/3820781363199277661/#c3820781363199334745 )

Honestly, sometimes the tone of some posts hurt, but that is part of the job and the majority of people are not like that. It hurts because people don't know what is happening under the hood, have wrong expectations, or are simply impatient.

Like... someone asks for dragons and wizards - sorry, that is not the type of game we want to do. Also, a lot of people ask for water - perfectly understandable, but again - the logistics of implementation of such a feature is complicated that it would take a couple of months just working on that to even make a solid foundation. So players wouldn't probably get any other things while we work on water. We have to give them something and that something has to be part of the core experience. No matter how many times I mention this, people will simply take it as "devs don't want to do water".

Something similar is happening with children - I don't want to go into the moral of it, we mentioned some stuff here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1029780/discussions/0/3153060475181440288/

Some of the devs are fathers and that idea troubles them on a personal level. You can, of course, say "grow up", but every person has a different opinion and we will agree to disagree here.

On a technical side, we have a very credible publisher that is worrisome about such a feature in the game. If we move that aside, we're still left with the possibility of children that would do nothing (and be immortal) for 18 years, which... doesn't sound fun. The issue is more complicated, but one player made a good point here on the forums (sorry, can't find it atm).

So yeah, we know Rimworld introduced them - but that is a different setting and tone, different devs, no publisher worries, and is a DLC. We love Rimworld folks and they even support what we are doing - but again, we're different devs and our situations are different, even though our games share similar things.

I also don't have to engage in any of the discussions, but I try my best. Usually, you'll see me providing help and sometimes championing those that do the same, because that's what I want this community to be -helpful and supportive. Once the modding is introduced, I am really counting on that spirit that will hopefully lead to some fantastic creations.

Anyways, back to the topic:

What you say @failsafe is partially right - we are inspired a lot by Rimworld. We want every player to in the end have their own unique scenario and that no playthrough is the same. We want you to care about your settlers and enjoy every little event that occurs as a byproduct of the gameplay. We also want to upgrade combat systems. New construction options will be added over time to align with these new features. Next are ladders. Sounds simple enough, but it will change a couple of things. we'll try to explain it in one of the MMTs.

Also, regarding the unique experience - modding. Hopefully, once it is introduced, players will take current systems and evolve them as they see fit, so then everyone will get the experience they wish for. Want it to be fantasy, filled with babies and fire weapons? I don't, but we will not stop you from doing that.

Anyway, sorry about my post - it is all over the place. We may disagree about some things, but hopefully, we'll give you enough options to make this game what you want it to be. Your feedback matters more than you think (multi-selection and changing of stockpiles shelves at the same time is also coming) but dev time and balancing play a big role here. In the end, keep it constructive, be kind, and enjoy our game if possible. We're not giving up on it, and I hope you are not giving up on us. Cheers!

[BENZ_PALADIN]

Dear Mr.☃ ? , You act very suspicious as SeWerin said, I remember how long you have been trying to do dirty marketing (at least since last year).If you're really just normal player who didn't like this game may left comments and quit the web board long time ago not have been sticking to the game like this!!! . Many people in this web-board have already recognized you as well.

PS. I know how hard to make the real 3D of this game style(Going medieval) which need complex real-time 3D path finding algorithms compare with those cheap games you have been trying to promote for discredit this game!!(I mean some of those cheap 2D and fake 3D game with no actual depth-dimension)