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Phew !!!
Rebellion unashamedly copied mechanics from higher profile franchises such as Hitman and Splinter Cell and plasted them on this mess. A game titled "Sniper" doesn't really have many sniping moments like in SE3 and SE4, mainly becoming "Pistol Elite" in cramped spaces more suited to Solid Snake than Karl Fairburne. Also, the inclusion of non-lethal take downs is mind-boggling and lazy. There is no mission in which you have to incapacitate someone, so the ham-fisted non-lethal option is useless. It is like the devs simply got hold of a checklist of "What do the cool kids like nowadays?" and started swinging.
Following the hot string of lazyness, there are less tanks in the game, with only the King Tiger and without a creative use for them like in SE3: Afrika. Not a single French tank is in the game and the German uniforms are all wrong. The dev team was not even trying.
The devs banked all their chips on the new Invasion Mode and if you take it away, SE5 becomes an inferior SE4 copy-paste. The map design is dumbed down, being more linear and close-combat. Might as well just play SC: Blacklist, with its far superior mechanics.
Story is very generic, the protagonists are weak and you won't remember anyone, basically the plot only serves as a background and the focus is on the gameplay. Long gone is the historical fiction from V2 and SE3, just look at the pretty colors.
The game is said to be set in France but it could take place anywhere. The only French thing in the entire campaign is the RSC rifle. There is no mention of Vichy troops such as the Milice Française or the risk of Resistance members being exposed and summarily executed. The Lebel? The MAS-38? Forget about them. France, Italy, Germany... whatever, the game could take place in downtown London; especially for the Germans being stabbed left and right, at any rate.
The Japanese conexion was a big deal in the promotion of this game but were, in reality, a disappointing afterthought, without the promising idea of a showdown with a Japanese elite guard protecting their admiral.
The game is full of bugs and invisible walls. The floor just disappears from time to time, plunging Karl into Hades. Recycled animations and recycled burning cities from Sniper Elite V2 are also a sign of the lazy approach Rebellion took while making this game. A really sad and unpolished final product,
The same could be said of Tomb Raider & the Thief series Im guessing that the devs should really have a rethink and come up with something a little different now to keep the fanbase
I for one love the game and I shall continue to play it along with all my mates.
I found the game highly entertaining with fantastic open world detail and graphics. If i want to study what happened in WW2 then there are plenty or sources I have read over the years, as well as family who fought in it.
I think you've lost some perspective Awaken as to what games and these forums are all about. If you want to chat about WW2 details I'm sure there are plenty of forums that will discuss the ins and outs to the tiniest details if you are interested. You'll not find it in a game (or many a film) targeted to the masses.
Hi. Honestly, what's the point in advertising a game telling you that you are in a particular place in WWII, helping a particular armed group, when all this doesn't resemble at all.
I don't think people are asking for too much, or a perfect historicity with very accurate uniforms and architecture. Just a little more care in an aspect that is important for the atmosphere in a history based game. To really feel in that moment and particular place.
The masses target isn't an excuse. I don't think people are brainless idiots that only want violence and action, and don't care about the rest. I think someone who plays a history based game, has a minimal interest about that time period (if not, he will prefer to play other similar games in fantasy, science fiction, or today's world). For example Medal of Honor 1 and 2 were the typical games targeted to the masses, and that didn't prevent them to do a minimal research in the time period and location of the games (and internet wasn't like today).
I think this historical issue shows one thing. That the team and producers don't feel very invested in this project anymore. You can argue that Sniper Elite franchise was never known for a high accuracy in history, and it's probably true, but there was a minimum of care and attention to the setting (Germany felt like Germany, North Africa like North Africa, Italy like Italy, etc...). After 18 years working in that franchise maybe they don't feel motivated as before, are tired of that time period, but abandoning the game is not an option as it sells better than ever. So they keep working on it, but their heart and passion is not there anymore. Can't blame them, but maybe it's the time to recruit new people more motivated and interested in this, if they don't want the series to become a generic product that nobody will want to buy (and is painful for developers to work in).
If as players we don't react to this decrease in quality, this will only get worse and will condemn this franchise into mediocrity. Maybe on next installment we will have M16 and AKs in WWII (I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea).
I'm very sorry that you feel so upset with my criticism. I'm reading what your telling and I'm not hermetic to your point. I'm not here to bash SE5 and being unfair with the developers work. The overall opinion I have of SE5 is still good. I had fun with a lot of aspects of the game, and don't regret buying the game. My only concern is about the background and characters that for me felt particularly neglected in this installment.
SE5 is the first game of the series where I'm disappointed with an aspect. I never criticized the previous games before because I hadn't any reasons, and it hadn't reached a point were it was disturbing for me (and yes, being something personal pushes me to react and break the silence, because criticizing is not in my habits). There was flaws like with every product out there, but I felt that with every new game, they brought the previous ones a step further. The background aspect was treated with a minimum of care in previous games. Also I truly think they improved a lot the gameplay by the years, and I still like most aspect of SE5.
If I made that critic is because I care and like these games. Also because I wish the developers to not underestimate and neglect this aspect that is essential to the immersion (like graphics are essential to immersion too). Otherwise I wouldn't be here taking some of my spare time to give feedback, or discussing about the game. I play these games since the first, and I really like them (I love Enemy at the gates movie, and all WWII sniper related themes, so Sniper Elite franchise always appealed me).
I agree with you with architecture and environment in SE5. Criticizing this particular aspect would be unfair (The Mont Saint-Michel for example is a beautiful mission and we see a lot of effort was put in there).
Like I said earlier, what I think is weak in SE5 is more the depiction of the people involved. Not seeing the milice and Vichy collaborators is a missed opportunity (and a regression if we compare it with SE4, where the Italian army and the Mafia were there).
Those details are not asking too much for a WWII game which takes place in France, I disagree. This is the strict minimum for this kind of games (a minimum that was always reached in all previous installments). If you can't understand and can't stand this kind of criticism, I'm curious to know why you are even playing a WWII themed game ? (you just want to shoot at people in slow motion with nice graphics, that's all your expectation in this franchise, really ? You don't care at least a little about the setting, background and travelling in the past ?)
I'm not in huge demands like it would be for asking to bring a particular French tank with super accurate division markings, or a particular building of a particular town with this specific wall destroyed like this (the game avoid that by using fictional names for the most of the places). Just telling not forget the people aspect of the background, like the people involved in that time and place (at least on the main lines, no need to go in depth if they don't want to). The architecture and landscapes is one thing (and they succeeded in that), but just don't forget the human side of it, that's all I'm saying.
I totally understand that for some people, some aspects have more weight than others. All sensitivities are different between individuals and it's OK. But criticizing people that care for aspects you don't care, and wanting to delete threads that express those concerns is not the best we could do. People have the right to express whatever they want as long as they keep it civil and respect each other. Forbidding any criticism is, for my point of view, not a constructive solution as it doesn't let us learn and grow (and this applies to many things in life). I would even say that constructive criticisms are welcome and healthy. If you feel the criticism is not justified or constructive, just use arguments you consider relevant to make understand your point. If you consider you did all you reasonably could to explain your view, and that your interlocutor is too stubborn making the conversation going in circles, then do not waste more of your time with him. You did what you could.
I don't think I hold the truth, and that my point of view is the only valid one. I'm always open to debate and update my information if I'm mistaken in something. I can be wrong in some topics, of course. I don't posses all the wisdom of humanity, far from that. I do my best to be fair, and to not being quick in forging an opinion in things I don't understand or have a lack of information. Also to not judge people that thinks differently than me (humility is a tough one).
With all that said I wish you fun with the game, and hope you don't feel I'm not listening to you.
Its a game mate i dont really think you should be this triggered over something as pointless as this.
Rebellion did a great job and because you feel that they didnt quite get the historical facts quite right you vent your frustrations here, at the end of the day mate its not going to make any difference.
I suggest you lighten up dude and just enjoy the game and stop this crusade your just making yourself look a bit silly.
...been here since SEV1. own 'em all, including Sev2r, and ALL of the Zombie stuff, AND Strange Brigade. Spent thousands of hours playing on the SEV2,3,4,2r servers myself and my gaming clan have hosted over the years with literally several hundred if not over 1k people.
I will ♥♥♥♥♥ when a company takes out common features that have been present since SEV2 and proceeds to cash cow as much as possible with an $80-90 game (all dlc etc) VS fixing issues (there are issues for many people no matter how well your one experience is going. I don't have any, but over the years I've helped countless dozen's of people get Rebellion games running on their machines) that arise and exist and taking out Dedicated Servers that are a backbone of the game.
We pay our money, that gives us automatic opinion rights, and while I do believe Rebellion is an amazing company with talented people, there is a VERY large portion of diehard fans of the Sniper Elite series that feel slapped in the face due to some major changes, and remissions to/from the game.
Maybe YOU should un-install and let us get on with our expectations for our money. I'm glad you're happy with the game and feel you must justify your purchase to us, but many of us do not feel the same.
Rant over, other than have a nice day.
Automatic rights" hahaha WTF are you on about? So you feel that just because you bought a product you "automatically" have the right to slag it off, having an opinion doesn't make you right.
As for expectations thats where the problems lie.
SE4 was a brilliant game with few flaws, SE5 was always gonna have a hard time living up to it, many of us believe that it did a good job and despite its minor flaws which are being rectified as we speak, the MAJORITY on here are more than happy with our purchase
You are a consumer and by that I mean you enter into a contract with the company the minute you part with your money, this is not a negotiation. Don't like it then YOU should uninstall and leave the majority on here in peace to enjoy the game.
You sir are beyond entitled . . . and despite your years of service you still have the attitude of a petulant small child whose Xbox cant cool down fast enough
"which is a gamble that can doom a game franchise."
hahaha so true just look at the debacle that is/was "Breakpoint" instead of capitalising on the success of Wildlands they chose to waste money and time on a free to play game that completely alienated the fanbase (they ended up scrapping it) and now realise the error of their ways and are now working on Wildlands 2
I left SE4 to play Wildlands for 2 years loved it to death and cant wait for No2. SE5 clearly took inspiration from Thief & Tomb Raider (and SC) and came up with a great game.
Maybe the devs will take a long look at the responses and move forward with a revamped SE6, maybe a different theatre and slightly better storylines etc . . who knows?
But there will always be that crowd of moaners who think they are the representative demographic, as displayed here on these boards.