Axis invasion: what I've learned so far (as axis)

[Devlin]

Been playing axis invasion. Mostly it's fun, but matchmaking is quite poor (level 1-5 people in the first map, having no clue I'm hunting them). Headphones are key, hardly use the phone, just listen for abnormal gun fire.

I've noticed something else, which makes me instantly disconnect to that specific host:

When loading/joining, check the level of the player(s). If he\she\they is around level 40, but the level is loaded on easy or very easy, it's to lure you into a trap you can't win. Very often, the level is already fully empty (meaning no German soldiers anymore). It's just them versus you. And you have no tools to detect them anymore (except the phone after 5 min run for your life), while they have all their tools (see through / detection ring). My advice: leave directly, you're not the hunter, you're prey.

I've also had a few matches where I instantly leave:
-there is a mine on your spawn point (do one step and boom)
-there are mines EVERYWHERE (you can't displace without getting killed)
-mines are in places you cannot see, let alone defuse them (the drop down from the attic into the general's room is famous)
-mines are visible, but simply cannot be defused

I love matches where there is actual cat-mouse going on and where I'm put on the wrong track. Forgot his name, but I had 12(!) rounds against one guy last round (won 9 lost 3) and that was really good. If he reads this: thanks man - good game, that was a really nice challenge!

[Devlin]

Edit: has anyone experience with 'exploding bullets'? (instant game over)

Had one instantly scoping me at spawn (saw the scope glint far away), I moved away in cover, but was killed by an explosion, yet showing some sort of red line coming from the enemy player. Note: it was WAY to far for a panzerfaust and a very illogical place for a mine.

[stdape2022]

Like any PvP, there will always be cheats, sad little people who do not have a clue on real gaming. Why Rebellion thought this was a good idea, is a mystery. And why players pay for PvP, even stranger, with so many free (also full of cheats).
I am waiting for Arma 4, and hope an easier Interface, as so many buttons!! I did learn a lot on Arma 3, and also Breakpoint, but the latter, as SE5 was just a Joke on Campaigns, also failed with PvP. Companies just do not want to put much into a Game, (excluding Arma).
I still play SE5 and only reason, I can not find a Game, to replace at present. Was going to look at the new Modern Warfare 2, but again over priced and only 3 Missions for Coop.

[SimonChan]

Originally posted by Devlin:

...Very often, the level is already fully empty (meaning no German soldiers anymore). It's just them versus you. And you have no tools to detect them anymore (except the phone after 5 min run for your life), while they have all their tools (see through / detection ring). My advice: leave directly, you're not the hunter, you're prey.

I actually don't mind entering an empty (or near empty) stage. I once had a match like this in War Factory. I was spawned somewhere near the warehouse, so I guessed the host was at the lower part of the map. I then rushed to the top level of the Refinery, and placed my only teller mine on the other exit (if I stayed at the left, I placed it on the top of the ladder at the right, or vice versa). After a few minutes I saw the host player sneaking out from the Steelworks, so I waited for the perfect moment to shoot him.

It's very challenging, but it helps a player to improve the skill in invasion. Most of the empty-stage-hosts are also campers. They just wait for the invaders falling into their trap, so as long as you don't get too close it would be fine. I always take my time to check how to do a long shot. And most of the time the host would get out of patient and peek through windows or doors. That would be a great sniping chance.

My advice is "know the map" and "watch your steps". When dealing with empty stages, knowing where the golden vantage point is (like the Refinery in War Factory) and spotting mines are the keys to winning. BTW, it feels REALLY GOOD if you can win under these conditions. It feels EVEN BETTER if you can melee kill a cheater (but it's too hard).

[Karl Donnerlörres; ッ]

Originally posted by Devlin:

When loading/joining, check the level of the player(s). If he\she\they is around level 40, but the level is loaded on easy or very easy, it's to lure you into a trap you can't win. Very often, the level is already fully empty (meaning no German soldiers anymore). It's just them versus you. And you have no tools to detect them anymore (except the phone after 5 min run for your life), while they have all their tools (see through / detection ring). My advice: leave directly, you're not the hunter, you're prey.

I cant't say it better. Its so true. I have around 700 kills as invader, but I instantly leave lvl level 40 sweater lobbys. Most of them play on wolf mountain or landing force. So often I saw Karls camping far away in that fortress and in that lighthouse (coop lobbys) just to farm invaders. Or one of them spamming the phone while the other searching for you.

[Spudgun]

Agree with all that above. Most players go up the levels pretty quick to level 40, so that in itself, is not the real indicator it’s the combo of level 40, low difficulty and cleared down maps that’s the giveaway.
I’m finding also it’s now buggy when defusing mines and I’m often not getting the “defuse” prompt whilst shooting them is disabled - oh well just another challenge for the poor Axis!
Still playing though!

[Dave]

Originally posted by Devlin:

Been playing axis invasion. Mostly it's fun, but matchmaking is quite poor (level 1-5 people in the first map, having no clue I'm hunting them). Headphones are key, hardly use the phone, just listen for abnormal gun fire.

I've noticed something else, which makes me instantly disconnect to that specific host:

When loading/joining, check the level of the player(s). If he\she\they is around level 40, but the level is loaded on easy or very easy, it's to lure you into a trap you can't win. Very often, the level is already fully empty (meaning no German soldiers anymore). It's just them versus you. And you have no tools to detect them anymore (except the phone after 5 min run for your life), while they have all their tools (see through / detection ring). My advice: leave directly, you're not the hunter, you're prey.

I've also had a few matches where I instantly leave:
-there is a mine on your spawn point (do one step and boom)
-there are mines EVERYWHERE (you can't displace without getting killed)
-mines are in places you cannot see, let alone defuse them (the drop down from the attic into the general's room is famous)
-mines are visible, but simply cannot be defused

I love matches where there is actual cat-mouse going on and where I'm put on the wrong track. Forgot his name, but I had 12(!) rounds against one guy last round (won 9 lost 3) and that was really good. If he reads this: thanks man - good game, that was a really nice challenge!

I call them map scrubbers. If I spawn and find nobody left, I leave straight away. As you surmise, we are just a mouse for the Karl to toy with, and I have no time for that. Occasionally I'll play one match for 40 minutes but that is very rare, and I almost always get smoked anyway given they usually have unlimited mines and ammo.

The explosion you had may have been an environmental one - hiding behind ammo crates or gas bottles is a big non-no for me! One round from them and it's game over. Anything painted red should be avoided at all costs - we can't use them as weapons but Karls can.

I am always suspicious of Karls with level 40 and multiplayer 50 playing any of the first 5 levels on Civilian or Cadet. They are almost always scrubbing the map to make a big sand-pit to farm Jagers on. That said, I've a few scalps of those types, but I prefer not to play in such a one-sided match.

And it is a shame there is no comment box at the end of the match so I can tell someone well done - and there have been many in my 2200+ invasion wins that are very worthy adversaries I would love to congratulate; I guess arseholes would just use it to whine and moan about getting beaten.

The main thing is to have fun, that's the aim of the game and thanks for your observations - it helps people out.

Dave.

[Dave]

Originally posted by Spudgun:

Agree with all that above. Most players go up the levels pretty quick to level 40, so that in itself, is not the real indicator it’s the combo of level 40, low difficulty and cleared down maps that’s the giveaway.
I’m finding also it’s now buggy when defusing mines and I’m often not getting the “defuse” prompt whilst shooting them is disabled - oh well just another challenge for the poor Axis!
Still playing though!

Played plenty of 40s who don't deserve the level. Takes all types I guess.

[Devlin]

Thanks guys, just glad to hear you haves similar experiences, and too leave to deny these grinders their points. Also great to hear you all still play and search for the true challenging players. Nothing better than a good cat and mouse game, whoever wins. Agree on the chat box too, I had some match where it was such a close call and I lost - but even then I applaud loudly. To bad my opponent could not hear my praise.

Hint for Rebellion: why not allow pre-programmed messages? (may avoid the whining, but will allow for: Well done!)

[Dave]

Originally posted by Devlin:

Thanks guys, just glad to hear you haves similar experiences, and too leave to deny these grinders their points. Also great to hear you all still play and search for the true challenging players. Nothing better than a good cat and mouse game, whoever wins. Agree on the chat box too, I had some match where it was such a close call and I lost - but even then I applaud loudly. To bad my opponent could not hear my praise.

Hint for Rebellion: why not allow pre-programmed messages? (may avoid the whining, but will allow for: Well done!)

Good idea - a possible well done piped message at the end would be perfect.