Opinions please: 4 vs 5

[Himem]

I enjoy Sniper Elite 4. I play solo only. I'm considering Sniper Elite 5.
I have watched reviews and game play videos; read many comments and reviews.
But now I ask you the players who are familiar with both. I value your opinions most.
What do you say?
Knowing what you know, would you buy Sniper Elite 5 or remain playing Sniper Elite 4?

[Paddywak]

Check out this thread ... "Let`s see who scores this game higher than SE4" ...

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1029690/discussions/0/6086066536283848021/

[DoctorEva]

I'm italian myself yet I appreciate more the atmosphere of 5.
Without the censored symbolism it feels a lot more authentic.
The graphics are also really pretty, even though there's basically no antialiasing.

I prefer to play 5, not necessarily because it's a better game, but invasions alone make the game just a more thrilling experience to play through the campaign, so much so that I've switched from authentic to sniper elite just so I can better engage with the invader.

[stdape2022]

SE3 was not that good. SE4 great, but Rebellion seem to make a few DLC's and stop. SE5 great Graphics/Details not as Good as 4, but that could change when they wake up :).

[Struonger]

I consider SE4 to be the best SE game to date. While it's not perfect, it's feels like a very satisfying complete package. The animation/movements are much more fluid, the sounds of the rifles firing have more punch, and the maps are the best the series have to offer. This was Rebellion on their "A" game.

SE5 feels conflicted with itself. Stealth isn't as great as in SE4, movement is good but doesn't have that fluidity that SE4 had, at least IMO. The maps suffer the most. They don't have that open/sandbox atmosphere like SE4 does, if that makes any sense. The maps are all have enemies placed in what I can only describe as boxed sections that are clearly there to have close quarter fire fights rather than emphasis on long range sniping. Most of the sniping in this entry range from about 200+ meters at best (Not counting Mission 3: Spy Academy which can be 300-400 and one or two that far exceed that in the four digits). Maps have invisible walls that range from knee high level bushes stone fences that your character should and could clearly vault over. but can't to your shots being blocked from hitting NPC's because they happen to be behind a bush or they are partially obscure due to a tree branch. (I tried sniping an infantryman on a watch tower prone in Mission 2 only to have my shots blocked from a lavender flower that was partially obscuring my view)

Th weapon customization, while a interesting change for the series, feels as if brings more cons than pros to your weapon and not making it be the absolute best that it can be. Most attachments weigh more negatives and penalties to your weapon. They simply don't feel as satisfying as they should be.

Despite that these faults, it's still a good SE game, but as a long awaiting follow up to SE4, it's lacking in a number of areas

[Grey Paint]

SE5's gun modification is a fun tool to enchance you game.
you can modify nealy everything on the guns.
In SE4 your guns was opgradeble trough weapon challenges (3 preset upgrades).

[6Taylor4]

SE4 was a career, and still is great fun to go back to; SE5 is so pretty and I like the UI and the movement feeling, except when I cannot step between a tree and a rock that is three feet away from the tree, but I can't walk there, or jump a fence, or blow away a wooden door, or...that's the first complaint on my list, paths and meshes.

I also love the remastered SE2, even though it is very linear, it is so absorbing and immersive, I really like its feel, and of them all, it is the best "one more try" game.

[Poison]

Originally posted by Himem:

I enjoy Sniper Elite 4. I play solo only. I'm considering Sniper Elite 5.
I have watched reviews and game play videos; read many comments and reviews.
But now I ask you the players who are familiar with both. I value your opinions most.
What do you say?
Knowing what you know, would you buy Sniper Elite 5 or remain playing Sniper Elite 4?

I have over 100 hours in both Sniper Elite 5, 4 and same with V2 and 3 on my other account. Sniper Elite 4 was the first game in the series to properly introduce the "Open-World non-linear" design where you have your targets and how you kill/destroy them is up to you. Sniper Elite 5 takes that and in my personal opinion improves it with the tools you find through out the map to sabotage targets and open new routes. The gameplay feels different when compared to 4, but not in a negative way.
In Sniper Elite 3 you were forced to be stealthy with enemies hitting you way too good from insane distances with a MP40, in Sniper Elite 4 you had the chance to either stealth it or go in loud with the trick being that you just had to be untouchable. In Sniper Elite 5 you can stealth anything. You can kill the only person you need to kill and then exfiltrate and boom, you won. You are not forced to go loud like in some situations in 4 and previous Sniper Elites. The new weapons customization allows both playstyles; Stealth with a number of different suppressors or Loud/Combat with attachements that decrease recoil or boost the damage of your gun etc. I also see alot that people complain about there not being alot of long rage sniping and that the Combat was mostly in close quarters. Yes, thats a problem in literally any Sniper Elite game with most of the long distance sniping being at 200 or 300 meters. Some missions give you perfect long distance oppertunities while others concentrate more on close quarters. Sniper Elite 4 had that issue, Sniper Elite 3 had that issue and Sniper Elite V2 was a mix between Call of Duty corridor shoot-them-up and sniping from a window or a roof with maximum distances of maybe 150 to 200 meters. But then again, hitting headshots above 200 meters is difficult on Authentic anyways.

If you liked Sniper Elite 4 you will probably also like this game like I did, maybe you dont, every human has other preferences and tastes. After all its up to you to buy it or not, but dont let some reviews of people with 4 hours or less where the highest difficulty they saw was either Easy or Normal, saying that everyone is hacking in Invasion only because they just ran into AI head-on and died 2 seconds later thinking this is a Call of Duty, influence your opinion. The game has some flaws, yes, asbolutely. But so had 4, 3 V2/Remastered and so on. And yes to those that rant about the gaming having hackers; Sniper Elite 4 got overrun with cheaters and hackers dominating the leaderboards only shortly after release. Any game that has Multiplayer will have hackers in some way, thats it. And to those that actually think that Sniper Elite 3 and even V2 look better than the Sniper Elite 5; may god have mercy on your litte souls. I feel like alot of people are either over-romanticizing the previous games because of the bugs or "lack of content" this game currently has, even tho Sniper Elite 4 had its first actual DLC drop after 2 months aswell and the same if not more bugs, or they just dont have any actual clue what Sniper Elite actually is and/or what bugs and glitches the previous games had.

Sorry for this long text lol.

[Himem]

Thank you for the replies! Your insights are valuable and have helped me decide not to buy SE 5 at full price so soon after its release. I will wait until the Christmas sale. Perhaps by then more content will be released and the initial bugs will be fixed. I am sure I will enjoy the game.

[jankerson]

Well I will put in my two cents for whatever that is worth.

With having almost 3,000 hours playing SE4, mostly survival I can say it's a great game.

Comparing SE4 and SE5?

Well The Campaign maps aren't too bad, kinda linear compared to SE4.

The Weapons mods are a step forward, although other games have done this for a good while. Not sure why SE4 didn't have this.

The Weapon choices in SE5 are kinda small, need more choices.

Missing trip and bouncing Betty's in SE5 just plain sucks. They are very useful, especially in survival for certain things.

Although the Shue Mines are lethal in Survival for those who didn't know.

The overall movement and controls are better in SE4.

The graphics are better in SE5.

Only 3 Survival Maps, 4 missions per map, still just 3 of them though. We need more.

Invasion mode should not be on by default for those who do not know about it. It just makes their game play suck for them when they just want to play the game and get through the campaign. Toxic player magnet.

Invasion mode as a whole is a mistake, it shouldn't even be there in the main part of the game. It's PVP and needs to be separate from the main single player campaign. It just feeds the toxic players and cheaters. If people want to do PVP them make it a real choice they have to make. Having invasion mode on by default is a MASSIVE mistake.

With the monkey see monkey do YT channels boasting the invasion mode because one channel did. So all of them do now... Like I said monkey see monkey do, pathetic really to say the least. What a joke.

The AI in SE5 seems to be more aggressive than SE4 was.

Personally I think SE4 is the better game overall, but we need to wait until we get the DLCs.

[t850terminator]

I'll wait till all the post launch stuff and DLC for 5 are out before fully comparing.

Because I never played SE4 at launch and only played it after all the DLCs were out.

[jymak]

In SE 5 you are Commando not a Sniper.

[SaengSom]

I would never recommend to buy SE5!
Not in its actaul state. It's a mess. It really is.
All the reported bugs, or even errors; the ridiculous "wokeness"; the fact that the guns seem to be fisher price toys compared to SE4; and, last, but not least that this game isn't a sniper game at all, make it a no go for me.

A sniper is not the guy rumnning through a little town searching for an enemy to cut his throat with a knife.
It is a soldier that sits at a spot and awaits its target to pass by and then take it out.
In SE5´you, as a counter sniper get punished doing exactly this.

As the protagonist of SE5 you strive through a huge map searching enemies to kill them in differend ways, but what you definately _not do_ is sitting and waiting for your target.

I my eyes Rebellion, the manufacturer, missed their own target to create a sniper game.


In SE4 I loved to sit on the bunker with 3 of my friends awaiting enemy bots showing up to be shot. From time to time I would go and lay down some mine traps and go back to my place to sit and wait.
This is what snipers do.
Sit and wait.

NO recommendation for SE5 until the game is fixed.
- actually i sit and waid for a download of the size of 60 (sixty) GB to finish for a game that was 70 GB initially.
This is abuse!
It abuses me, the gamer,
It abuses Internet traffic,
It abuses the Steam platform,
It abuses my precious time and money!