"Denuvo"-Cancer included => no thanks!

[Wayne-bled-well]

I was waiting for this game so freaking long.. but I will NOT buy it with "denuvo".
When will the Industry learn? To force "denuvo" on paying people is an insult. Denuvo gets often beaten in 1 day. Most in a week. You don't prevent anything with it. You only cause stress and frustration to the people willing to buy your product.

"As >Extreme Tech< notes, Denuvo causes performance issues in nearly every tested game. From longer load times to frame rate drops, Denuvo’s protection appears to slow things down. Performance sometimes improves by 50% after Denuvo is removed by the developer."

"[Denuvo] operates on the kernel level, which gives full freedom to it to interfere with the system without any need to ask for permission." -> Let's use a police force that is mightier than the law of the state... what could go wrong? xD

- performance: -50%
- is freaking Malware (antivirus software reacts)
- causes problems with OS and certain CPUs (e.g. Intel Alder Lake)
- denuvo server issues: can't play the game you paid for (happens all the time)
- game costs more: denuvo needs to get paid too

Many games released on Epic-Store get denuvo removed for good reason. So Steam wants to lose costumers in the long run?

Guardians of the Galaxy, (sometimes can't play, denuvo servers)
Shadow of Tomb Raider, (sometimes can't play, denuvo servers)
StarWars: Battlefront II, ( can't connect, can't play, denuvo servers)
DOOM Eternal (unplayable after denuvo patch, got removed! Bethesda learned)
TotalWar: Warhammer 3, (performance wrecked, ongoing issue)
Tekken 5, (performance wrecked, president openly pissed about denuvo)
Batman: Arkham Knight, (performance wrecked, removed)
Mad Max, (performance issues)
2Dark, (problems -> removed it)
Shadow of War etc. etc.

Edit: Nope, not "crying" for no reason. I actually studied computer science at an university. But even without that background, even without any knowledge of coding, it's an easy to understand topic. Steam "LVL 0" promo accounts on a mission again, I guess.

[MadZec]

If I knew it has denuvo I would not accept gift, but since I got it from friend oh well. But I doubt I would play it as long as it has denuvo on. I know I will neither get it for any nephew and will just advize all friends not to buy it.
I know I did not got Doom Eternal untill denuvo was removed and I will not buy this game to anyone untill denuvo is removed.....

[SCAgent]

Първоначално публикувано от MadZec:

If I knew it has denuvo I would not accept gift, but since I got it from friend oh well. But I doubt I would play it as long as it has denuvo on. I know I will neither get it for any nephew and will just advize all friends not to buy it.
I know I did not got Doom Eternal untill denuvo was removed and I will not buy this game to anyone untill denuvo is removed.....

Just want to make a correction, denuvo was never removed from Eternal.
A lot of people including the OP confuse denuvo anti-tamper with denuvo anti-cheat, they are completely different processes, Eternal still has anti-tamper (.exe protection) but removed the anti-cheat (kernel driver)

Both are bad for multiple reasons and I don't want either in my games.

[MadZec]

Първоначално публикувано от SCAgent:

Just want to make a correction, denuvo was never removed from Eternal.
A lot of people including the OP confuse denuvo anti-tamper with denuvo anti-cheat, they are completely different processes, Eternal still has anti-tamper (.exe protection) but removed the anti-cheat (kernel driver)

Both are bad for multiple reasons and I don't want either in my games.

Thanks on correction, but when I was installing Doom Eternal (after they said it was removed) I had no questions on extra installing. Would not then Sniper Elite 5 also asking about installing denuvo. Or it is only once installing it. I do not want it in my games but then it turns out that I had it on for long time and that I was not aware of it, no matter I checked on list of programs....

[Axe]

Първоначално публикувано от Finwe-`Scourge of Auchtermucty:

Cry more please...

I read this internet cliché nonsense and I think of some kid in a playground with nothing better to do and no experience of life...

Good boy, now go home for your pancakes...

[SCAgent]

Първоначално публикувано от MadZec:

Първоначално публикувано от SCAgent:

Just want to make a correction, denuvo was never removed from Eternal.
A lot of people including the OP confuse denuvo anti-tamper with denuvo anti-cheat, they are completely different processes, Eternal still has anti-tamper (.exe protection) but removed the anti-cheat (kernel driver)

Both are bad for multiple reasons and I don't want either in my games.

Thanks on correction, but when I was installing Doom Eternal (after they said it was removed) I had no questions on extra installing. Would not then Sniper Elite 5 also asking about installing denuvo. Or it is only once installing it. I do not want it in my games but then it turns out that I had it on for long time and that I was not aware of it, no matter I checked on list of programs....

Denuvo anti-tamper is not something you install on your PC, its a bunch of code in the game executable that checks game ownership by communicating with denuvo servers, a "token" gets generated on your PC and can play the game offline if you wish for a couple of days, after that you need to connect to the internet again at least once for another "token" to be given to you, if you have no internet, or denuvo servers are offline you will get an error message telling you, you cant play the game.

You will not never be asked if you want to install it, the checks will happen regardless whether you want it or not.

Denuvo anti-cheat on the other hand needs to be installed as a program, its like easyanticheat etc, it needs special permissions to install because it installs some services on your PC to check what other programs you are running while gaming.

[lukaself]

Първоначално публикувано от SCAgent:

Denuvo anti-cheat on the other hand needs to be installed as a program.

This, and I don't think we'll have to worry about whether a game uses Denuvo anti-cheat anytime soon. The only games using it currently are a dead multiplayer shooter and an obscure porn game.

[MadZec]

@SCAgent thanks on clarification, but just one question to all, if they decide to remove it can it be played offline if Rebellion decide to remove it.
Because while I am often on the internet now almost always still there are situations when people are not able to connect on the net.....

[SCAgent]

Първоначално публикувано от MadZec:

@SCAgent thanks on clarification, but just one question to all, if they decide to remove it can it be played offline if Rebellion decide to remove it.
Because while I am often on the internet now almost always still there are situations when people are not able to connect on the net.....

If they remove it then yeah you can, the normal steam drm is very simple, as long as you have downloaded the game and have logged in once to your steam account you can play your games offline.