How does soul evolution work after the patch?

[LTK]

I didn't see anything about this in the patch notes, but I noticed that certain memories now indicate that they can be used to evolve soul aspects. I've previously only done this by putting two soul cards into a crafting station and praying that one of my committed skills had the right discipline, which was hell. So how do memories enter into it?

[Rithrin]

You still need a workstation that can accept two soul cards at once, but now that station doesn't necessarily need to have an Evolve via tag, as you can slot the memory which has it.

So for example, prior to the patch, you couldn't use the Exercise Yard in the prison to evolve any Souls, as it doesn't have an aspect for that. But if you can find a memory with one of those Evolve tags that fits, and fit both souls in there, you can.

I haven't done a deep dive into how many new evolve paths this change unlocks, but it does help alleviate how restrictive the system was originally.

[LTK]

Oh thank god, that sounds like it makes it so much easier. Appreciate the answer.

[LTK]

Related question: Why do some skills not say which soul element they are attuned to? For example, I have Watchman's Paradoxes which is committed to Illumination and I used it to upgrade... Phost, probably, but it doesn't say that it was attuned to Phost. In fact, the only skill I have that is attuned to Phost is Inks of Revelation, yet I think I got four extra Phost from the tree of knowledge. Are those also attuned to skills, but not indicated as such?

[Rithrin]

Originally posted by LTK:

Related question: Why do some skills not say which soul element they are attuned to? For example, I have Watchman's Paradoxes which is committed to Illumination and I used it to upgrade... Phost, probably, but it doesn't say that it was attuned to Phost. In fact, the only skill I have that is attuned to Phost is Inks of Revelation, yet I think I got four extra Phost from the tree of knowledge. Are those also attuned to skills, but not indicated as such?

There's a couple things going on here. It used to be that if you attuned a skill to a Soul, then used it to upgrade the Soul successfully, it would just lose the Attuned tag, and you had to remember that you already both attuned it and used it. In later patches, they added some additional tags that indicated whether it was attuned, attuned and used, and mastered, I forget the exact details, but those changes only affected skills which were slotted ir used for upgrade after the patch. So if you loaded a save from before the patch, the markings won't necessarily be the same for all your skills, which can be confusing.

[LTK]

That's putting it lightly. I just put all my skills in a new spreadsheet and I realized that none of them are marked as both attuned and used for evolving. Is there any rule that lets me figure out which aspects are attuned to which skills? Like, that a certain wisdom will always grant one out of a selection of soul elements? I can already tell that it's not true that a skill needs to have an aspect in common with the soul element you get from it.

Ah, nevermind, I checked the wiki and there they are. I'll have to cross-reference with my tree of wisdom. I haven't used the wiki at all thus far but this time it's definitely required.

[LTK]

Now I still don't understand why this doesn't work. I am at the St Januarius Shrine where I put in 2x Fet and the Path & Pilgrim skill which is attuned to Nyctodromy. Why does it not allow me to evolve it? Can I only use this shrine once for evolving something?

[Rogue Scientist]

Does Path & PIlgrim say it's attuned to fet? If it doesn't then you've previously used that skill to evolve fet, and each skill can only be used to evolve once.

[Rithrin]

As above, check to see if it is actually Attuned.

If you have a mix pre- and post-patch skills, you can tell at a glance if a pre-patch skill has both been attuned (slotted into the tree of wisdom) and already used for upgrading: Since all skills have two trees they can slot into, a base skill will have two listed. For example, Strings & Songs can be slotted into either Birdsong or Nyctodromy wisdoms, so if you see both the Birdsong and Nyctodromy symbols on the card, you know it hasn't been attuned yet. If you mouse over Strings & Songs and see ONLY Birdsong, but do NOT see an "Attuned: Chor" tag, then you know it has been both attuned AND already been used to upgrade a Soul card.

[LTK]

Originally posted by Rogue Scientist:

Does Path & PIlgrim say it's attuned to fet? If it doesn't then you've previously used that skill to evolve fet, and each skill can only be used to evolve once.

It doesn't say what it's attuned to, for the reason Rithrin mentioned, but given that it went into the Nyctodromy branch it can only be Fet. I do have two other skills that are marked as having been used to evolve Fet but it doesn't say it on this one.

Andddddd given that I have evolved Fet three times, not two, it must be that I did actually use Path & Pilgrim to evolve it before and it failed to mark it as used. So then that's another thing I have to keep track of myself.

[Gavros963]

Has anyone made a list of all memories you can use for evolution, I'm not looking forward perfoming crafts just to check for Bosk.

[LTK]

Originally posted by Gavros963:

Has anyone made a list of all memories you can use for evolution, I'm not looking forward perfoming crafts just to check for Bosk.

The higher tier memories are more likely to be useful for evolution. I happened to have a Wind-in-waiting which can be used for Birdsong and Bosk evolutions. The unique memories you get from talking to pets are also an easy source of them.

[chipperMDW]

Originally posted by LTK:

Originally posted by Rogue Scientist:

Does Path & PIlgrim say it's attuned to fet? If it doesn't then you've previously used that skill to evolve fet, and each skill can only be used to evolve once.

It doesn't say what it's attuned to, for the reason Rithrin mentioned, but given that it went into the Nyctodromy branch it can only be Fet. I do have two other skills that are marked as having been used to evolve Fet but it doesn't say it on this one.

Andddddd given that I have evolved Fet three times, not two, it must be that I did actually use Path & Pilgrim to evolve it before and it failed to mark it as used. So then that's another thing I have to keep track of myself.

If a skill is committed and no longer says what it's attuned to, then you should know 100% that you already used it to evolve soul cards and it's ineligible to use again for that purpose.

[LTK]

Okay, got it, so it's just lacking the 'used for evolving' symbol. When I take those into account it does add up. That'll make it easier to get the evolutions done, thanks.