Chrysalis

[Melusena]

As the title says, anyone able to open/hatch/evolve this thing? I've read all the books, have all the numens , and unlocked all the rooms. Brute force and also relevant skills don't seem to matter. Even tried popping some high level liquid ingredients in there with moth aspect for the dorsal and ventral ... fins? Who knows.

[Courier7]

I am curious here too but I don't think there is a way to do it. I have tried different approaches more using knock and sky but nothing. I have unlocked the entire house and nothing helps. Personally I now think it is unlikely as it feels out of the games style. No other craft benches can be transformed, the background does not change anywhere else so I don't think it can open.

[Devilfish]

We talked about that in another topic and I agree with Courier7, the chrysalis really seems to be part of the story of what happened to a certain prisoner. Not saying nothing can be done with it but opening it seems unlikely.

[pempelune]

I'm wondering if the Chrysalis isn't unfinished stuff. It says that you can "listen to its dreams" and indeed in the game files there's a gathering deck for the Chrysalis, containing memories. But there's no way to gather.

[Melusena]

I was thinking it may be unfinished content as well. Although it would be nice as an additional way to generate powerful memories. Since the flavor text for it mentions it only emerging if the history it was coming into was going to be hospitable, I was wondering if how you chose to put revelations into your journal could impact it too.

Maybe it triggers a secret end game condition?

[Devilfish]

I doubt the game is so unpolished that there'd be this much unfinished content in it. It seems deeply related to the larger lore of the world and the house.

[pempelune]

Originally posted by Devilfish:

I doubt the game is so unpolished that there'd be this much unfinished content in it. It seems deeply related to the larger lore of the world and the house.

Many games have this sort of artefacts of development in their files, honestly. As it stands there's a complete deck and nothing using it, so something must have been cut at some point of development.

[Wlerin]

I've been wondering if it's related to the Renegade Forge-Name mentioned in the Carmine Petal (both versions). Admittedly the Aspects don't really line up (and that probably fits something in a different room I haven't unlocked yet better).

[Melusena]

Originally posted by Wlerin:

I've been wondering if it's related to the Renegade Forge-Name mentioned in the Carmine Petal (both versions). Admittedly the Aspects don't really line up (and that probably fits something in a different room I haven't unlocked yet better).

If I recall correctly, that book does reference a different room, you are correct. But now that I think about it, I don't know if any of the books mentioned the chrysalis at all, and all the other secrets of the house have clues to them in either books or other flavor text.

[Devilfish]

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I think it's Carapace Cross related.

From Glimmerings
'Their final recorded dream is of a 'worm-jewel' beneath Brancrug Isle, which they open with a key carved from their finger-bone.
Seems like it references the Altar of St. Tentreto.

From Cucurbit Prisoner Records 1927:
Collers describes how he's successfully induced an unstable Carapace-larva to develop into a greater form [...] He hopes that similar techniques might be used to expedite the moral development of prisoners...

From Cucurbit Prisoner Records 1927
Two prisoners suspected of oneiric crimes are enouraged to access their inner Carapace Cross tendencies, and develop the attributes of the Seglaz-kind ('sickle-formed pseudocrustacea') [...] Collers releases the other into the sea.
That's what the prisoner from Glimmerings was in for. And in CS, drowning was how the monks of St Tentreto sacrificed people to keep the sea at bay.

All very insecty, and the thing is an actual chrysalis. No wonder the damn place was overrun with Worms.

There's several books and recordings that link it all back to Elagabalus, Second Dawn, end of the world, all that.

[Ryusui]

Originally posted by Devilfish:

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I think it's Carapace Cross related.

From Glimmerings
'Their final recorded dream is of a 'worm-jewel' beneath Brancrug Isle, which they open with a key carved from their finger-bone.
Seems like it references the Altar of St. Tentreto.

From Cucurbit Prisoner Records 1927:
Collers describes how he's successfully induced an unstable Carapace-larva to develop into a greater form [...] He hopes that similar techniques might be used to expedite the moral development of prisoners...

From Cucurbit Prisoner Records 1927
Two prisoners suspected of oneiric crimes are enouraged to access their inner Carapace Cross tendencies, and develop the attributes of the Seglaz-kind ('sickle-formed pseudocrustacea') [...] Collers releases the other into the sea.
That's what the prisoner from Glimmerings was in for. And in CS, drowning was how the monks of St Tentreto sacrificed people to keep the sea at bay.

All very insecty, and the thing is an actual chrysalis. No wonder the damn place was overrun with Worms.

There's several books and recordings that link it all back to Elagabalus, Second Dawn, end of the world, all that.

But the Worms aren't connected to the Carapace Cross, though? The Carapace Cross died out long before the Sun's Division, or so I understand it.

That said: yikes. Now there's a dark twist on CS's Moth ascension.

EDIT: Double-checked the Wiki and it seems that the Worms do predate the Intercalate, whoop. I still don't think there's a connection between them and the Carapace Cross, though.

[Devilfish]

Worms come into the world from Nowhere in places where the barrier between it and the Wake is thin, and given all that happened in that prison I think it's fair to say they had opportunity. There's a connection between Worms and basically everything occult.

[zombiemickey]

maybe it has something to do with the gullscry tower cage? it has two strange slots for pets or food stuff(like a bird bed)

---->The Wings in the Wood

When the first hunters were lost in the Wood, in the days before its darkening, they found a chrysalis of black and white. To it they sacrificed the birds of the air, so that it would show them the way home. So the Moth came to be, and so the Moth was the first to navigate the ways of the Wood. This is the foundation of Nyctodromy.

[Melusena]

Originally posted by zombiemickey:

maybe it has something to do with the gullscry tower cage? it has two strange slots for pets or food stuff(like a bird bed):goodhero:

---->The Wings in the Wood

When the first hunters were lost in the Wood, in the days before its darkening, they found a chrysalis of black and white. To it they sacrificed the birds of the air, so that it would show them the way home. So the Moth came to be, and so the Moth was the first to navigate the ways of the Wood. This is the foundation of Nyctodromy.

This is a really good theory; I didn't even catch this reference when reading. I haven't found anything unique to do with the big cage either, come to think of it. Or the mirrors in the dining room. Hmmm...

[Devilfish]

Originally posted by Ryusui:

EDIT: Double-checked the Wiki and it seems that the Worms do predate the Intercalate, whoop. I still don't think there's a connection between them and the Carapace Cross, though.

You are 100% correct and I have since revised my theory! In that I don't think that passage from Glimmerings is relevant anymore.

Originally posted by zombiemickey:

---->The Wings in the Wood

When the first hunters were lost in the Wood, in the days before its darkening, they found a chrysalis of black and white. To it they sacrificed the birds of the air, so that it would show them the way home. So the Moth came to be, and so the Moth was the first to navigate the ways of the Wood. This is the foundation of Nyctodromy.

Oh, interesting! Where did you get this from? I can't find any reference to it.

[Lokapala]

Originally posted by Devilfish:

Originally posted by zombiemickey:

---->The Wings in the Wood

When the first hunters were lost in the Wood, in the days before its darkening, they found a chrysalis of black and white. To it they sacrificed the birds of the air, so that it would show them the way home. So the Moth came to be, and so the Moth was the first to navigate the ways of the Wood. This is the foundation of Nyctodromy.

Oh, interesting! Where did you get this from? I can't find any reference to it.

This reads like Furs & Feathers if slotted into Nyctodromy. The Bosk version, "The Well in the Wood" links the story to the Red Grail (and involves a well instead of a chrysalis, obviously).

Other than a general as above so below/as without so within logic, I don't think the prison chrysalis has anything to do with it :D