Is it possible to softlock yourself?

[RedScare Reborn]

I am about third of the Hush House in and i have made some questionable descisions about allocating lessons and developing skills. Is it possible to mess up so bad that you can't reach the enlightement, or whatever the final objective is?

[Lantantan]

Nah, there's 80 skills. You'll be offered more books to buy. And if that's not enough, apparently during numen you can generate more lessons. So you can be a little inefficient at the start.

[Devilfish]

Seems like everyone is saying something different regarding how many skills there are but I'm pretty sure it's 73 including languages.

Anyway no, you can't softlock yourself. Even if you go waaaaay broad on the skills there's a mechanism to reset uncommited skills and get lessons back from it.

[pempelune]

Originally posted by Devilfish:

Seems like everyone is saying something different regarding how many skills there are but I'm pretty sure it's 73 including languages.

Anyway no, you can't softlock yourself. Even if you go waaaaay broad on the skills there's a mechanism to reset uncommited skills and get lessons back from it.

74, I think! 8 times 9, which is the number of rows and columns of the skill shelf when full.

[iheartdaikaiju]

I am only 2/3rds through but I did reset twice when learning the game. The only real way to softlock yourself, I have found, is to burn through all your house discoverables too quickly, since they cannot be replaced directly and if it is possible to refind them it take 90 seconds an attempt to even discover let alone retrieve from the woods or beachcombing. If you take it easy until you reach crafting stations, and memorize where those are and beeline toward them, and memorize some aspect 3+ memories and one-use tools, you should be fine, but the game definitely does not have any crafting stations accessible in the early game. In particular, where your discoverables go, there's a room far left that takes 11 nectar to get past, I saved e.g. high nectar beverages for that one . Once you find either the telescope or practice dummy savescum and learn all the prentice and scholar recipes available to you and make a cookbook with those - or I am sure by now there's something in wiki - and that should prevent any kind of softlocking.

Skills won't softlock since you can get those back once a year, and you get enough in the way of skills once a year to sustain you and keep the game enjoyable for another game year regardless how you slot them. Go nuts. The more soul cards you have available the more fun the game is.

[Pandorian]

Originally posted by Devilfish:

Seems like everyone is saying something different regarding how many skills there are but I'm pretty sure it's 73 including languages.

Anyway no, you can't softlock yourself. Even if you go waaaaay broad on the skills there's a mechanism to reset uncommited skills and get lessons back from it.

This. I too have 73 skills and I'm purposely trying to collect all the books. Now it seems extremely unlikely that I haven't ran into the 74th skill when I'm approaching almost 20 skills at level 9.

Originally posted by pempelune:

74, I think! 8 times 9, which is the number of rows and columns of the skill shelf when full.

How much your tray can hold changes based on your monitor size, UI size, etc.

[Devilfish]

Originally posted by Pandorian:

This. I too have 73 skills and I'm purposely trying to collect all the books. Now it seems extremely unlikely that I haven't ran into the 74th skill when I'm approaching almost 20 skills at level 9.

I'm basing that on several of the spreadsheets going around. All of them say 73 but there's of course a chance that they're wrong.

[Wintermute]

If it's indeed 73, that means you can get all wisdoms to 8 and then one wisdom to 9. Sweet.

[Pandorian]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

If it's indeed 73, that means you can get all wisdoms to 8 and then one wisdom to 9. Sweet.

If you're sneaky you should be able to get all to 9 :D

EDIT: Hint: look at the connected dots between the different paths.

EDIT 2: My theoretical min-max path:


9 Horomachistry
5 Birdsong
5 Ithastry

9 Nyctodromy
5 Hushery
3 Illumination
5 Skolekosophy

9 Bosk
5 Preservation

55 Total

[Devilfish]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

If it's indeed 73, that means you can get all wisdoms to 8 and then one wisdom to 9. Sweet.

You can do many more if you skip certain slots

Originally posted by Pandorian:

My theoretical min-max path:

Just started a new playthrough, I'm going to try this out. Thanks!

[Pandorian]

Originally posted by Devilfish:

Just started a new playthrough, I'm going to try this out. Thanks!

Let me know how it goes. I haven't actually checked to make sure there are enough skills in those specific trees without eliminating the overlap.

[Wintermute]

Originally posted by Devilfish:

Originally posted by Wintermute:

If it's indeed 73, that means you can get all wisdoms to 8 and then one wisdom to 9. Sweet.

You can do many more if you skip certain slots

Originally posted by Pandorian:

My theoretical min-max path:

Just started a new playthrough, I'm going to try this out. Thanks!

Btw, by my count there's 248 individual skill cards in the game and provided you only ever use a single one to level up a skill I think it's safe to say there should be plenty

Yeah, that was without skipping. Can def get higher - I'm just mostly interested in how many soul parts I can pump out of the tree.

[Devilfish]

By my count there's 248 individual skill cards in the game and provided you only ever use a single one to level up a skill I think it's safe to say there should be plenty of skill cards. I haven't checked how every individual skill interacts with the others, because I'm not a bleeding mathematician, but everything seems very carefully balanced so my educated guess is it's possible.

[Devilfish]

Originally posted by Pandorian:

Yeah, that was without skipping. Can def get higher - I'm just mostly interested in how many soul parts I can pump out of the tree.

Yeah, I think if you're going to be skipping parts of branches it's going to be doubly important to make sure you can upgrade souls at the workstations.

[Pandorian]

Originally posted by Devilfish:

By my count there's 248 individual skill cards in the game and provided you only ever use a single one to level up a skill I think it's safe to say there should be plenty of skill cards. I haven't checked how every individual skill interacts with the others, because I'm not a bleeding mathematician, but everything seems very carefully balanced so my educated guess is it's possible.

Uh, I'm already at 438 Lessons learned and haven't read everything yet. Not sure where you're getting 248 :D My best educated guess right now is roughly 585 total Lessons learned.

[Devilfish]

Woops! Got it from this spreadsheet but it looks like I miscalculated. Told you I wasn't a mathematician!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18jrnAdeKqC8VBzGzIVo8qKTHVi1VGKv4xlTJFsqVgxI/edit#gid=964919361