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Wereducky Aug 24, 2023 @ 9:25am
Looking into the literal meanings of the Wisdoms names
I thought it would be interesting to tease apart the made up words for the wisdoms to help in understanding them, so here's what I found. And there's no spoilers in this post, so enjoy.



Skolekosophy
-sophy[en.wiktionary.org] should be familiar to most English speakers as the suffix for Knowledge or Wisdom
Skoleko- is the unfamiliar part, but comes from the ancient Greek σκώληξ[en.wiktionary.org] (pronounced Skoliks) from which the root of Scoliosis[en.wiktionary.org] came from, the condition of having a laterally curved spine.
So Skolekospohy is literally bent knowledge.



Nyctodromy
Nycto-[en.wiktionary.org] comes from the same prefix as Nyctophobia[en.wiktionary.org], fear of the dark or the night
Dromy[en.wiktionary.org] will come from the same root as Hippodrome[en.wiktionary.org], the ancient Greek horse racetrack, or running the horses.
So Nyctodromy is literally the art of running in the night, or racing the night.



Hushery
Fairly straightforward as a husher[en.wiktionary.org] would be someone who insists on silence, but it is also a middle english form of usher[en.wiktionary.org], someone who guides or escorts people to seats so could be read as a play on words.
So Hushery is the art of enforcing silence, or perhaps even the art of escorting those who are silent or silence itself.



Illumination
Again fairly straightforward as it's already an English word, injected with more meaning in the context of the cults of this world. Illumination[en.wiktionary.org] is the act of lighting something up, or of being bright physically, or being an enlightening influence mentally.



Ithastry
This one is certainly trickier. -aster[en.wiktionary.org] as a suffix means something partial, or incomplete. Aster[en.wiktionary.org] is also a root for stars or star-shaped, as in astronomy[en.wiktionary.org]. Ith[en.wiktionary.org] is the weird part, the best I can find is scottish or irish words for eat.
So it could be read as the art of eating or digesting the incomplete, or incompleteness, or star-eating. I don't think I have this one down, definitely share your thoughts if you have a better idea.



Horomachistry
Horo-[en.wiktionary.org] is a prefix for time or literally hours, as in horology[en.wiktionary.org], the art of keeping time or creating and maintaining timekeeping devices. -Machistry brings to mind machination[en.wiktionary.org], clever scheming. It also brings to mind machine[en.wiktionary.org], which could be the literal complex device that moves and makes use of power, or the figurative supernatural agency in fiction as in God in the machine[en.wiktionary.org].
Horomachistry could have a lot of readings, but I'll settle on the art of keeping the machinations of the divine, which are as consistent the tick of clocks.



Birdsong
Literally the birdsong[en.wiktionary.org] of birds, as a form of communication we are not privy to as not-birds. Curious in singleton, cacophonous in plural. Both the songs and the motions must determine the decisions of the flock, yet deciphering in part or in whole is nearly impossible.
Thus Birdsong is the art of deriving knowledge from a mass of indecipherable communication.



Preservation
I think preservation[en.wiktionary.org] can be read pretty literally.
Preservation is the art of protecting and maintaining that which has come from before now, restricting forces that would change.



The Bosk
A bosk[en.wiktionary.org] is an old term for a small wild wood, a thicket or the bush. Contained within a bosk are many things to know: the habits of it's inhabitants, their properties, and how they could change someone were they to pass through it or to take from it.
Thus The Bosk is knowledge of the contextually important Wood.



And that's what I have for you, hope you enjoyed it. Let me know what your thoughts are on the meanings of the names of the wisdoms.
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Devilfish Aug 24, 2023 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by Wereducky:
Skoleko- is the unfamiliar part, but comes from the ancient Greek σκώληξ[en.wiktionary.org] (pronounced Skoliks) from which the root of Scoliosis[en.wiktionary.org] came from, the condition of having a laterally curved spine.
So Skolekospohy is literally bent knowledge.
Skolex (σκώληξ) also refers to worms (specifically "corpse worms") in the Bible and the Iliad, and given this setting's connection to Worms and the description ("the study of things that should not be studied") that's probably the more likely reference.
Last edited by Devilfish; Aug 24, 2023 @ 9:32am
Devilfish Aug 24, 2023 @ 9:42am 
Originally posted by Wereducky:
Ithastry
This one is certainly trickier. -aster[en.wiktionary.org] as a suffix means something partial, or incomplete. Aster[en.wiktionary.org] is also a root for stars or star-shaped, as in astronomy[en.wiktionary.org]. Ith[en.wiktionary.org] is the weird part, the best I can find is scottish or irish words for eat.
So it could be read as the art of eating or digesting the incomplete, or incompleteness, or star-eating. I don't think I have this one down, definitely share your thoughts if you have a better idea.
Ithas or Ithax was a Greek messenger-god that became linked with Prometheus, who famously stole fire from the gods. So the word would be Ithas- with the suffix -try. So basically, to do as Ithas did. Since Ithastry is described as "the art that alters" I think it means "alteration through the fire of the gods"
Last edited by Devilfish; Aug 24, 2023 @ 9:45am
Wereducky Aug 24, 2023 @ 10:32am 
Originally posted by Devilfish:
Originally posted by Wereducky:
Skoleko- is the unfamiliar part, but comes from the ancient Greek σκώληξ[en.wiktionary.org] (pronounced Skoliks) from which the root of Scoliosis[en.wiktionary.org] came from, the condition of having a laterally curved spine.
So Skolekospohy is literally bent knowledge.
Skolex (σκώληξ) also refers to worms (specifically "corpse worms") in the Bible and the Iliad, and given this setting's connection to Worms and the description ("the study of things that should not be studied") that's probably the more likely reference.

Ah yeah, that is a good connection too. I remember Scolex, the enemy from Binding of Isaac, which resembles a tapeworm, and real tapeworms' heads are known as the scolex in modern day. Of course there would be a biblical connection to, which I am far less privy too. thanks for the insight!

The biblical passage Mark 9:42-48[www.bibleref.com] has to do with the nature of knowing sin through your sensations and, read literally, that self-mutilation is the end to go in prevention of knowing sin. It ends with the consequences of being thrown into hell, "where the [corpse-worms] do not die and the fire is not quenched." Definitely fitting reference for knowledge not to be known and to worms indeed.
Devilfish Aug 24, 2023 @ 10:38am 
Worms man. Always with the damn Worms.
Devilfish Aug 24, 2023 @ 11:00am 
Originally posted by Wereducky:
b]Nyctodromy[/b]
Dromy[en.wiktionary.org] will come from the same root as Hippodrome[en.wiktionary.org], the ancient Greek horse racetrack, or running the horses.
So Nyctodromy is literally the art of running in the night, or racing the night.
Been chewing on this and the suffix -dromy usually seems to refer to a state of being. So "diadromy" meaning the state of being diadromous and "homodromy" meaning the state of being homodromous, nyctodromy would be the state of being "nyctodromous" or whichever word you care to make up there. Basically, the wisdom that concerns things which are in a nightly state. Night in this lore is related to the unknown and exploration through dream states, as in Traveling at Night. So, the wisdom of Nightly Things.
Last edited by Devilfish; Aug 24, 2023 @ 11:22am
Originally posted by Wereducky:
I thought it would be interesting to tease apart the made up words for the wisdoms to help in understanding them, so here's what I found. And there's no spoilers in this post, so enjoy.

Let me know what your thoughts are on the meanings of the names of the wisdoms.

Skolekosophy- Can agree with you on this one. either directly so or more as a 'unnatural knowledge' cuz scoliosis is an unnatural shape of the spine.
Or going with another origin for Skoleko, could be as a prior person mentioned - Skolex, thus making it the Lore of Worms. and when you remember there are worms in the mansus that are rather nasty, this might be a study related to those spooky things.

Nyctodromy - sorta, but I guess it's more like the art of travelling in the night. cuz Drome dun have to be a horsetrack, it can be of the same origin as an aerodrome, and that'd be more or less a runway for airplanes.

Hushery - Hush and Ery, so yeah it's essentially the art of silence, or perhaps the Conditioning for Silence... or if you wanna take it a bit further away from literal translation, it'd be more of a 'The Origin of Quietness'. Or since Hushery is related to 'Winter', you have the Art of Death.

Illumination - Yup, this one is quite obvious, to make visible, to bring light, or it can also be about 'spiritual enlightenment'

Ithastry - The first part of 'Itha' could hold an origin in the Sandskrit word 'Itihasa' which has a meaning of something akin to 'thus' or 'like so' or if you abreviate it a bit, you get 'as per tradition', and '-stry' could have the same origin as 'Istry' (as in Dentistry) which is 'the Practice' or 'The Process of doing something', so you'd have what is basically get 'The Process of Tradition' or 'Traditional Practices'. And if Traditional would be related to something like Alchemy, then it'd fit well with what Ithastry has as a meaning in-game.

Horomachistry - Horo, obviously time/season, but machistry might also need to be broken up into Machi and Stry. Machi has an origin in the Tamil language as 'Close Friend' or could also refer to 'brother-in-law'. and with Stry again like with Ithastry, you'd get the 'Practice or process of' - meaning in all you'd get something that means 'the pactice indirectly related to time'.

Birdsong - I feel like you're right on the money here with Birdsong. It's really just a mix of Bird and Song and dun really have any old-language origin.

Preservation - Same with Birdsong, but a little bit more indepth. Preserve has the origin in old lation 'to keep' or 'Guard against Decay' and with -tion as the suffix, which means 'the process/result of' - you of course get 'The process/result of Guarding against Decay'. Not that it's really needed since we all know what preservation means to begin with. :p

The Bosk - origin of Bosk is clearly the Middle English word for Woods/forest/underbrush. So it's basically the Wisdom path into the knowledge of the wilds.
Wereducky Aug 24, 2023 @ 11:23am 
Originally posted by Devilfish:
Been chewing on this and the suffix -dromy usually seems to refer to a state of being. So "diadromy" meaning the state of being diadromous and "homodromy" meaning the state of being homodromous, nyctodromy would be the state of being "nyctodromous" or whichever word you care to make up there. Basically, the wisdom that concerns things which are in a nightly state. Night in this lore is related to the unknown and exploration through dream states, as in Traveling at Night. So, the wisdom of Nightly Things.

It's really the connection between -y and -ous that your describing. In your example, homodromy/ous has to do with genetic spiral running(drome) in the same(ho mo-) direction in both stems and branches. Almost certainly running/racing is ambiguated to travelling for the wisdom of travelling at night.
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Wereducky Aug 24, 2023 @ 11:34am 
Originally posted by Devilfish:
Ithas or Ithax was a Greek messenger-god that became linked with Prometheus, who famously stole fire from the gods. So the word would be Ithas- with the suffix -try. So basically, to do as Ithas did. Since Ithastry is described as "the art that alters" I think it means "alteration through the fire of the gods"

Ah that's new to me, but makes sense if Ithas was another name for Prometheus, that Ithastry would be putting the mythical first fire to work in the forge-ways.
Wereducky Aug 24, 2023 @ 11:48am 
Originally posted by Phoenix Legacy:
Nyctodromy - sorta, but I guess it's more like the art of travelling in the night. cuz Drome dun have to be a horsetrack, it can be of the same origin as an aerodrome, and that'd be more or less a runway for airplanes.
Oh absolutely, hippodrome was just what I thought a reader might know, but aerodrome was in mind too and would have been better to go with in retrospect.

Originally posted by Phoenix Legacy:
Horomachistry - Horo, obviously time/season, but machistry might also need to be broken up into Machi and Stry. Machi has an origin in the Tamil language as 'Close Friend' or could also refer to 'brother-in-law'. and with Stry again like with Ithastry, you'd get the 'Practice or process of' - meaning in all you'd get something that means 'the pactice indirectly related to time'.
Though out of the context of the game, I would agree on the time thing, I think in context that it gets blurred by the structure of the pantheon being the 12 Hours, and is more directed at them than actual time. I really appreciate the angle you're coming from though from Tamil. Part of the reason I put this up was because I expect at least a few of the meanings people come up with to be the real intention, as these clever writers play on words and even the parts of the words they have invented.

Originally posted by Phoenix Legacy:
The Bosk - origin of Bosk is clearly the Middle English word for Woods/forest/underbrush. So it's basically the Wisdom path into the knowledge of the wilds.
Another thing I'd agree on out of context, if The Wood wasn't an important and different thing to mundane wilderness in context. While part of me thinks giving the wisdom a different name of The Bosk is important, another part thinks they are just plainly synonymous.
Epsilon Rose Aug 24, 2023 @ 12:05pm 
Originally posted by Devilfish:
Originally posted by Wereducky:
b]Nyctodromy[/b]
Dromy[en.wiktionary.org] will come from the same root as Hippodrome[en.wiktionary.org], the ancient Greek horse racetrack, or running the horses.
So Nyctodromy is literally the art of running in the night, or racing the night.
Been chewing on this and the suffix -dromy usually seems to refer to a state of being. So "diadromy" meaning the state of being diadromous and "homodromy" meaning the state of being homodromous, nyctodromy would be the state of being "nyctodromous" or whichever word you care to make up there. Basically, the wisdom that concerns things which are in a nightly state. Night in this lore is related to the unknown and exploration through dream states, as in Traveling at Night. So, the wisdom of Nightly Things.

Wereducky beat me to the punch, but I wanted to give my own take on explaining this.

You can think of -dromy as a compound suffix where -y has been added to -dromous. -Dromous, on it's own, typically refers to running, or motion in general—as is the case with homodromous referring to the motion of a spiral or diadromous referring to the motion of migrating fish—While -y is typically added to adjectives to create a new adjective that describes something that relates to the first adjective (e.g. blue -> bluey, for something that's reminiscent of blue, but not quite). So Nycto-drom[ous]-y would be something related to movement in the night and that's not a bad understanding for what we're talking about, but I think we can do slightly better.

-logy is a suffix that is typically added on to words to denote the study of something, so we could take -dromy as drom[ous]-[log]y, resulting in the study of things moving in the night. We could also take it a step further and look at -logy's roots in ancient Greek: Logos, which means explanation, reason, or thought and -ia, which just turns adjectives into abstract nouns. This gets us Nycto-drom[ous]-ie (-y, for a modern spelling) or the subject/concept of things moving in the night, rather than the things themselves.
Wereducky Aug 24, 2023 @ 12:39pm 
Originally posted by Epsilon Rose:
This gets us Nycto-drom[ous]-ie (-y, for a modern spelling) or the subject/concept of things moving in the night, rather than the things themselves.

To stretch that a little further, understanding things moving in the night, and understanding how to move as they do in the night.
Originally posted by Wereducky:
Originally posted by Phoenix Legacy:
Nyctodromy - sorta, but I guess it's more like the art of travelling in the night. cuz Drome dun have to be a horsetrack, it can be of the same origin as an aerodrome, and that'd be more or less a runway for airplanes.
Oh absolutely, hippodrome was just what I thought a reader might know, but aerodrome was in mind too and would have been better to go with in retrospect.

Originally posted by Phoenix Legacy:
Horomachistry - Horo, obviously time/season, but machistry might also need to be broken up into Machi and Stry. Machi has an origin in the Tamil language as 'Close Friend' or could also refer to 'brother-in-law'. and with Stry again like with Ithastry, you'd get the 'Practice or process of' - meaning in all you'd get something that means 'the pactice indirectly related to time'.
Though out of the context of the game, I would agree on the time thing, I think in context that it gets blurred by the structure of the pantheon being the 12 Hours, and is more directed at them than actual time. I really appreciate the angle you're coming from though from Tamil. Part of the reason I put this up was because I expect at least a few of the meanings people come up with to be the real intention, as these clever writers play on words and even the parts of the words they have invented.

Originally posted by Phoenix Legacy:
The Bosk - origin of Bosk is clearly the Middle English word for Woods/forest/underbrush. So it's basically the Wisdom path into the knowledge of the wilds.
Another thing I'd agree on out of context, if The Wood wasn't an important and different thing to mundane wilderness in context. While part of me thinks giving the wisdom a different name of The Bosk is important, another part thinks they are just plainly synonymous.

That's also why I made mention of it being 'close friend' or 'brother-in-law' relation. cuz it makes sense with relation to the pantheon of the 12 hours being the in-laws of time itself.

The Bosk can also have to do with more than merely the normal wilderness (but also including it), but also the Woods of the Dream - the surface level so to speak of finding the various doors to the various places leading from there.
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