How many languages are there?

[Arlyeon [Crit Hit]]

I was effectively warned that planting anything other than languages in the tree was going to screw me over, since- you don't get associated skills. Currently I have - Hyksos, Ramsund, Vak, & Sabazine - Which I've all commmited to the skill tree now, but it's getting rough since I need things at Rank 4+ for most routes.

[cswiger]

There's at least Deep Mandaic, Killasimi, Kernewek Henavek, Ericapaean, and probably a few others.

You can't use a Language skill for crafting, so there is limited value in upgrading such skills. But you certainly can place Language cards in the tree at level one if you want.

[somebodybond]

Personally, I'd go ahead and try to at least get one of each Soul card ASAP, even if it means placing non-language skills in the first tier. It's not a big deal to upgrade a language once to place it in tier 2. Minmaxing the tree is definitely not necessary, though of course you can if you want to.

[Arlyeon [Crit Hit]]

Yeah, I missed the level one thing- which is why I'm trying to get them in Asap. (And Upgrading them does at least have the side benefit of making any book that requires translations easy)

[Dracorider]

Cracktrack, Deep Mandaic, Ericapaean, Fucine, Killasimi, Hyksos, Kernewek Henavek, , Ramsund, Sabazine and Vak.

I'm near 200 books and these are the languages I had on books.. Also we start buffed up since we also know Latin, Greek, Sanskrit and Phrygian

[Arlyeon [Crit Hit]]

4/10 ain't so bad. Means I almost have all the spintria I need

[AdderTude]

Originally posted by Arlyeon Crit Hit:

Currently I have - Hyksos...

Who the hell teaches Hyksos? Either that's the rarest language in the game, or my game's RNG keeps screwing me over and I never get a Visitor who knows it.

[Rithrin]

Originally posted by AdderTude:

Originally posted by Arlyeon Crit Hit:

Currently I have - Hyksos...

Who the hell teaches Hyksos? Either that's the rarest language in the game, or my game's RNG keeps screwing me over and I never get a Visitor who knows it.

Definitely RNG. Sr. Corso Reverte was the one who taught it to me. I forget the names of the others who had it as well, but it seems to be on multiple folks. For me, however, Kernewek Henavek hasn't been seen in all 7 years of game time. Wish someone would come around with it...

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by Rithrin:

Kernewek Henavek hasn't been seen in all 7 years of game time. Wish someone would come around with it...

I've seen it twice, but the game was kind of trolling me. ;)

The first time was in the very beginning, when I didn't have any spintriae yet.

The second time, the visitor had another language that I also did not know yet, and there did not seem to be a way to learn Kernewek Henavek, the other language always took precedence.

I think the problem is that the game only selects visitors whose interests match the current event (which gets checked before the game starts looking for a visitor). Tutors for a given language don't cover the whole spectrum of potential interests. So depending on which events get chosen in your game, you can go through long stretches without even a chance for the language that you're looking for to show up.

I wouldn't mind if there were more visitors, and if some of them were just randomly picked, without a connection to the current event.

[SK RaZoR]

11 Languages

Mandaic
Hyksos
F u cine (steam censors it without spaces)
Vak
Ericapaean
Ramsund
Sabazine
Cracktrack
Kernewek Henavek
Killasimi

[Ananym]

I haven't really been picking up any languages, I spend all the money on the books (it's a lot more obvious than the fact that you can pay random visitors). How much of an issue is this?

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by Pseudonym:

I haven't really been picking up any languages, I spend all the money on the books (it's a lot more obvious than the fact that you can pay random visitors). How much of an issue is this?

If you're after a specific ending, you may have to wait several in-game years until you get an opportunity to learn a language that you need to read a book that is mandatory for that ending.

But I don't think you can lock yourself out of an ending by postponing the learning of languages, it just may get a bit tedious to get there. You can always opt for a "lesser" ending, of course.

[Devilfish]

Originally posted by Arlyeon Crit Hit:

I was effectively warned that planting anything other than languages in the tree was going to screw me over, since- you don't get associated skills.

If it helps, that's a severely alarmist overstatement depending on your definition of "screwed over." If your goal is to get the ending of your choosing with minimal hassle, you can just play around with the Tree, put whatever you want wherever you think it should go and have a very wide margin of error. There's basically nothing you can do there that would permanently lock you out of anything.

I only mention it because imo the game is much more enjoyable without looking at guides or taking advice but that's obviously up to you. If you've been given the idea that you have to look at guides to avoid something nasty, that's not the case.

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by Devilfish:

Originally posted by Arlyeon Crit Hit:

I was effectively warned that planting anything other than languages in the tree was going to screw me over, since- you don't get associated skills.

If it helps, that's a severely alarmist overstatement depending on your definition of "screwed over." If your goal is to get the ending of your choosing with minimal hassle, you can just play around with the Tree, put whatever you want wherever you think it should go and have a very wide margin of error. There's basically nothing you can do there that would permanently lock you out of anything.

I only mention it because imo the game is much more enjoyable without looking at guides or taking advice but that's obviously up to you. If you've been given the idea that you have to look at guides to avoid something nasty, that's not the case.

I couldn't agree more. :)

Also, I have to admit that I can't really make sense of the OP's passage that you quoted. What do they mean by "don't get associated skills"? Upon re-reading the passage now, I wonder if the OP perhaps got "advice" from someone who misunderstood how the leveling of skills works. If someone thinks (incorrectly) that skills can only be leveled up by lessons for the same skill, _then_ the advice would make sense, because then languages could only be slotted into the first ring of the tree (or left out of it), since there are no "lesson" cards specific to the language skills.

But obviously, since you can level up any skill (including languages) with any lesson that just has a matching aspect, that "advice" would be an example of unnecessary panic due to a misunderstanding of the game's systems. (And even if that were how the game worked, the advice would still be bad because there's no need to slot every skill into the tree in the first place).

[Devilfish]

Yeah, the way the question was phrased made me think OP might have stumbled onto some of the early skill freakouts that proved to be a tad alarmist. Everyone should play however they want of course, guides or no, but it'd be a shame if anyone felt pressured to play a self-iùmposed tense game with spoiler-heavy guides based on a misunderstanding.

I think the advice that got mangled somewhere down the line was that IF you're going to slot in languages (and no reason not to) to slot them into the lowest tier because they can't be used for crafting, unlike all other skills, so it makes sense to level up something else. But even that is gaming the system a LOT more than is necessary.

[citablekettle]

Originally posted by SK RaZoR:

11 Languages

Mandaic
Hyksos
F u cine (steam censors it without spaces)
Vak
Ericapaean
Ramsund
Sabazine
Cracktrack
Kernewek Henavek
Killasimi

As the 11th is unmentionable, the written list is complete. It's not useful for reading books though.