ink of power, rose. what am I doing wrong?

[misterx1212]

So, I have +fet x2, ink of power lvl 6, wistful air and ichor auroral. totalling to 17 roses. why I can't craft the ink?

[Stim The One]

Skill issue.

No, I am serious. Some skills do not actually DO that sort of thing. Or they do not offer the hint. And obviously, you always have to use a skill.

Sadly, I can't help with the "rose" ink. Figured out a few others, though.

[misterx1212]

what's then t3 craft for rose "ink of power" skill?

[Stim The One]

All I can say is "try other rose skills" as while it might initially seem that the inks skills are for that, you can make them with several others. I remember getting a sample of it and it had moth aspect, so it MIGHT possibly come from a moth skill as well.

[Morkom]

Depends on what Ink you want to craft.

Guessing that you want encaustum terminale to write Determintation of Rose

You need
Porphyrine. Crafted with
Pearl & Tide
Inks of Revelation
Auroral Contemplations
Sand Stories

15 Rose and some 10-level Scholar item, different for each skill. Inks of Power can only get you Forge and Nectar inks.

[Pavlov]

No, I think the above answers are wrong and this is a bug. When making Ichor Auroral, the game clearly states "[With Keeper-level Rose, the Ichor Auroral is a precursor to the Great Ink Porphyrine.]" But keeper level Rose with Ichor Auroral does not actually do this. I've tried this with both "Pearl & Tide" and "Inks of Power" and neither work. The above poster seems to be copy-pasting an answer from the wiki, but the wiki is clearly outdated. Two of the skills they're recommending don't even have have Rose in them. You're not going to make a Keeper level Rose recipe by using a Lantern/Knife skill.

[Rai "Apex Legends" Taki]

All skills have only 1 Keeper level recipe for each of its aspects. If the game gives that hint then there's a skill somewhere that will give Porphyrine from Rose 15 + Ichor Auroral, just need to find out which.

[Pavlov]

Originally posted by Rai "Apex Legends" Taki:

All skills have only 1 Keeper level recipe for each of its aspects. If the game gives that hint then there's a skill somewhere that will give Porphyrine from Rose 15 + Ichor Auroral, just need to find out which.

I'm really convinced it's a bug. There is a skill called "Inks of Power", it is a primary Rose skill, the picture is of an ink, the description is "The inks in which the histories are written", when you slot it in the wisdom tree the description is about encastum terminale.

But with 15 Rose and Ichor Auroral it does not craft Porphyrine, or anything really. If that isn't an oversight I don't know what is.

[ArmedPenguin]

@Pavlov It may be an oversight, but if it is it's a big one. A number of skills appear to have recipes unrelated to their aspects. For the record, Morkom and the wiki ARE right. I can say this for a fact, because I'm staring at the crafting_2_keeper.json file right now, which is where these recipes are stored. The four skills Mokrom named will create Porphyrine, despite two of them not having Rose as either of their aspects, and the Inks of Power keeper-level recipes are for Forge and Nectar, despite not having either of those aspects. So, it's clear by the files that Inks of Power shouldn't create Porphyrine; and, judging by the name for its recipes, "craft.keeper.inks.power_forge" and "craft.keeper.inks.power_nectar", it should be very apparent to anyone coding it what is going on, so I would say that this is very intentional and not at all an oversight.
(I omitted the last bit of the recipe names that contain the prereq item and the result item. The full names are "id":"craft.keeper.inks.power_forge_essence.iotic_orpiment exultant" and "id":"craft.keeper.inks.power_nectar_leathy_marakat").

[Pavlov]

Originally posted by ArmedPenguin:

@Pavlov It may be an oversight, but if it is it's a big one. A number of skills appear to have recipes unrelated to their aspects. For the record, Morkom and the wiki ARE right. I can say this for a fact, because I'm staring at the crafting_2_keeper.json file right now, which is where these recipes are stored. The four skills Mokrom named will create Porphyrine, despite two of them not having Rose as either of their aspects, and the Inks of Power keeper-level recipes are for Forge and Nectar, despite not having either of those aspects. So, it's clear by the files that Inks of Power shouldn't create Porphyrine; and, judging by the name for its recipes, "craft.keeper.inks.power_forge" and "craft.keeper.inks.power_nectar", it should be very apparent to anyone coding it what is going on, so I would say that this is very intentional and not at all an oversight.
(I omitted the last bit of the recipe names that contain the prereq item and the result item. The full names are "id":"craft.keeper.inks.power_forge_essence.iotic_orpiment exultant" and "id":"craft.keeper.inks.power_nectar_leathy_marakat").

Yeah, you beat me to it, I was just looking at the file myself. I do hope it's an oversight, because otherwise it's baffling game design. It effectively means that "Inks of Power" is near useless for creating inks of power, and of the 4 recipes currently existing for making Porphyrine, only "Sand Stories" is actually useful for the recipe the game tells you. Frustratingly, "Pearl & Tide" will make Porphyrine as listed above but won't do it with Ichor Auroral like the game implies, instead you have to use a "Secret Recipe" replacing it with Lenten Rose... if you can find a workbench that can slot both. I've unlocked most of the rooms and can't find a crafting spot that will accept them.

[Pavlov]

Oh it's even stranger than I thought. There are three ink skills: "Inks of Revelation", "Inks of Containment", and "Inks of Power".

At keeper level:
Inks of Revelation (Lantern/Edge) makes inks with 15 Lantern or Rose.
Inks of Containment, (Winter/Moon) makes inks with 15 Winter or Scale.
Inks of Power, (Rose/Scale) makes inks with 15 Nectar or Forge.

So both the Keeper level Rose and Scale inks are not made with the ink skill that has Rose and Scale, but instead with different ink skills with neither Rose nor Scale between them.

I think they may have just confused the names of their ink skills when writing the recipes. The Nectar and Forge inks would still be weird on the other skills, but they would be less weird given that those skills already have a useful ink that they can craft at that level.

[ArmedPenguin]

Maybe. It's possible, but I think its very unlikely. Haven't gone through and looked at every keeper-level recipe so I can't throw out a percentage of which of them are like this, but I still feel its intentional. Might be some lore at the end-game that would explain the choices they've made. Haven't got that far.

In any case, could always try messaging the devs and asking if this intentional, and if so, why?

Also, looking into that Pearl & Tide with Lenten recipe. I'm still only just about finishing up that first major area of the house, so I'm working off the workstations .json. The Lenten Rose is, I believe, only of the Flower category, of which 8 workstations fit the bill. They have ridiculous overlap: heart, grail, and/or moth on 5 workstations each; 3 for moon and moth, the rest of the aspects all have 1 and sky and rose are both a fat zero. Fortunately, the Lenten Rose has grail and nectar, which allows it to fit into all but one of the workstations. Pearl & Tide's secondary is moon; three workstations allow moon, but one of those is the one the Lenten Rose doesn't fit, so there are two possible options: the Calicite Altar and the Hearth: Hall of Voices.

[kaymarciy]

Have the same issue with the Forge / Lantern inks. Scholar grade items (Xanthous and Iotic Essences) say that the can be uplifted to Inks of Power with 15 Forge/Lantern respectfully, yet none of my skills provide a recipe for that. Been seriously doubtin if it's wrong skill or a mistake in the recipe or in the hint.

[Pavlov]

Originally posted by kaymarciy:

Have the same issue with the Forge / Lantern inks. Scholar grade items (Xanthous and Iotic Essences) say that the can be uplifted to Inks of Power with 15 Forge/Lantern respectfully, yet none of my skills provide a recipe for that. Been seriously doubtin if it's wrong skill or a mistake in the recipe or in the hint.

Funny enough, I made those two without really trying just messing with recipes. There are two useful skills for the forge ink: "Anbary & Lapidary" or "Transformations & Liberations". Lantern has 4 useful skills: "Inks of Revelation", "Sacra Solis Invicti", "Watchman's Paradoxes", or "Glaziery & Lightsmithing"

[ArmedPenguin]

Yeah, they're a bit out of wack. If you are looking for recipes for a Encaustum Terminale that involve Iotic Essence, there's three of them. One has Forge as it's primary, one as its secondary, and third doesn't have it all. The Encaustum Terminale involving Xanthotic Essence has five options. Those are a bit better, as four of them have Lantern as their primary, though the fifth doesn't have lantern.

[Pavlov]

Ok, I made a support ticket and this was confirmed as a bug. As of the 2023.8.C.2 beta branch, "Inks of Power" will now make Porphyrine as advertised.