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No one here know each other, we can only judge based on what is posted.
If people think you're an SJW, then either you're one or you have serious communication issues.
You're basically asking mod to close a thread where people can express themselves.
You're wondering why people think of you as they currently do and these kind of posts do not do you any favors.
How mature of you to not just ignore my post.
If you're going to censor siren then why not shiva as well? My original thread even had a source link that directed to an article involving the original character designer from 1998 where he stated (in 1998) that all GFs were intended to be naked (no clothes) and that siren was intended to have fathers instead of hair..
That's my proof that siren isn't censored and instead is an artistic play of how the original character designer wanted her to look..
So again prove to me using refutable offical evidence from anyone at Square Enix that she has been censored.
How does being called an SJW mean that I have a communication problem? I got called an SJW for saying this game isn't censored, which part of that is my fault? Or are you saying being called an SJW is justified because my opinion?
It's easy for people on here to just blame SJWs because of things they don't like.
Also I gave you a childish reply to a childish accusation.
I think squalls change was probably due to either that they already had the model from dissidia and decided to run with that, or they tried making him look like his FMV and didn't like his design (I was never a fan of his original design anyway so no loss of sleep on my part), obviously for a game of 20 years even a designer can change his taste on his own creations.
I think squalls in game model fits the look of everyone else as well, if he looked like his FMV he would look out of place... If that makes sense?
The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the defender. The people crying "censorship!" have provided no proof that there is censorship. But while we can't disprove censorship (because how do you prove something didn't happen?) we can prove that it's unlikely. Here's the proof for that:
- The original game did not contain nudity. If it had the game would not have been able to maintain a Teen rating. A "bush" would have still counted as nudity.
- The original Siren did not contain clothing, but rather everything was covered up with feathers. Source: http://shmuplations.com/ff8/
- The change in Siren's design was done by the original artist.
- Shiva was not censored.
- Ultimecia was not censored.
These are all very strong indicators that this is not censorship. Meanwhile, "your" side has no strong indicators that it's censorship other than "it's different and I have an opinion why". If the evidence points towards A, why are you people so staunchly crying B?People called me the same thing, and it was after I said I hate SquareEnix and that this was a lazy, garbage job of a remaster. It's not a miscommunication issue, and it's not that we're SJWs. It's that people on this forum attack people who disagree with them. I said "no censorship" and suddenly I'm a "devs white knight", an "SJW", and other more colorful terms. A difference of opinion doesn't make name-calling appropriate, especially when there's more evidence for our opinion that it's not censorship than for the people saying it is censorship. And your post is ridiculous. You're blaming the victim without doing any research.
In that case I would still like to know if it was really in Tetsuya Nomura's favor to do that change.
I think we need no proof for that.
As she wasn't ever uncensored.
The topic header is misleading that's true.
They should rather have written "Siren's body covering got unnecessarily enhanced" or similar like that.
Furthermore if a model change happen, it's just normal that people talk about and make their assumptions as long as the developer doesn't talk about.
We only have Tetsuya Nomura's interview from over 20 years ago regarding the ORIGINAL look of the G.F.s.
Does he still work at Squenix and was it really himself who changed the model?
It doesn't to me, sorry. :(
Zell looks a lo better like his FMV model, Selphie, Quistis and Irvine too.
Rinoa has now too brown and big eyes compared to her FMV model.
Sure, the rendered model cannot look exactly like the FMV model because the engine is not capable to render something like that.
But it at least should look similar to keep it consistent.
If you chose not to read, that's on you. Your post is pointless as you've contributed nothing, and you've read/comprehended nothing. Two posts before yours I gave the reasons this does not appear to be censorship.
Censorship isn't always competently done.
Oddly under MPAA ratings at one point (I know games are rated by ESRB but it's somewhat relevant here) there was a rule or stipulation that a film could garner a higher age ratings if at any point public hair was visible.
https://kotaku.com/what-tetsuya-nomura-actually-said-about-tifas-breasts-i-1835726320
Bouncing boobs are unnatural! They have to be removed. XD
No seriously I get that Tifa looked a bit... awkward in the original.
http://colourlessopinions.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Untitled-1.png
There are sporty women with a big and real cleavage, but here in that case it's simply ridiculous. XD
Furthermore it requires specific genetic treats to have massive cleavage as a sporty woman.
Simply as being sporty normally burns fat and boobs are mainly covered in fat. The mammary gland is surrounded by fat.
Surely there are also muslces, but fat is the major part of of it.
If a breast would mainly consist of muscle mass, it definitely wouldn't be as soft as a breast is used to be.
Yet again, even if Nomura used "internal ethics commitee" in the statement I actually like the change as Tifa would look pretty awkward with such a cleavage doing all these moves.
She's a martial artist and alread in Advent Children she had a lot lesser cleavage and it fit her pretty well.
Yet, there is still no proper reason for the change of Siren.
It would have been even easier to enhance her shell (that covering she previously had) by adding feathers or something there, instead of adding a whole new skirt.
Adding such a new assset to a model is definitely more difficult than just enhancing it.
Funny I've been called:
An Idiot
Butthurt
Right Wing
A communist
A Weeb
A hobo
A Doomspeaker
A sexual deviant
Claimed I had poor literacy skills
Implied I was intellectually inferior
Claimed I was lying but refused to say which specific example was the lie
Accusing of Sophistry
and a fascist.
I did read your posts. My point stands.
In the very same post, you've literally said that the designr wanted the GF to be naked, adding even more clothes goes against that.
See above and reread yourself.
Maybe you are, maybe you aren't but in the end, people will judge you based on what you post.
Don't want that? Don't post at all.
Which was? I literally asked several questions and you did not answer any of them.
But sure, call me childish.
I cannot prove that 2+2=4, does it mean it's objectively and factually false despite being something commonly used in practical application?
The original game already had Siren without a skirt and whether what Siren has between her legs is a bush or a clam is up to anyone's guess. I mean, you have people who legit think Ifrit doesn't have a bush and is wearing clothes instead.
So in your opinion, adding clothes to a character who wasn't supposed to have clothes is something closer to her original intended design?
So what? Can you prove that he wasn't ordered to do and say and was instead something done by his own free will.
See above, censorship is a process, not something that will happen overnight in a big way.
Not really, these are all questionnable indicators.
I don't know, most of your points also rely on assumptions.
You can call this game a failure on a technical level and still be a pro/anti SJW, I do not see why those would be mutually exclusive.
I did not justify the name-calling, feel free to look at my post, I've never called anyone a SJW here.
I just explained why people may act as they do.
No? the victims here are the (potential) customers, not the poor dev who can't do anything wrong but did anyway, at least on a technical level by your own admission.
Also I thought you didn't want to talk to me anymore as you suddenly labelled me as a troll out of nowhere because you asked people to believe you unconditionally?
The thing is Cloud doesn't have 2 big fat balls as breasts that are meant to bounce around uncontrolled when not properly affixed (sports bra or something). ;)
It was very unlikely that they would have taken over the breast size for Tifa.
Have you even watched the image I linked?
I literally think that Tifa looked ridiculous and just got modelled like that as Lara Croft was a big thing in that day.
And even Lara had an unfavourable size, regarding what she was actually doing.
As I said, some women have the genetic traits that many of the fat they add to their body get actually added to the breasts.
But I doubt that this was on the mind of the designers, when they made these models. :P
Yet lets not go too much to off-topic.
I actually just wanted to quote that it really appears that even Tetsuya Nomura got supervised by their internal ethics commitee.
Except of maybe previously designing Tifa in a pretty inapropriate way regarding of what kind of character she has and what actions she performs, I don't think there was anything wrong with any of the design choices made in any original FF.