Did DOTEMU steal enhanced cards from Mcindus the Modder?

[Blackened Halo]

Update: The topic question has been answered. No thievery has ever happened.

I am not accusing anyone from anything. I just want to know the truth. But it is very suspicious, that some of the cards with a new design look exactly the same like the cards Mcindus did as a free mod for Final Fantasy VIII.

He claims that on the left side there are his pictures, on the right side Square's. Similarities are groundshaking, except Geezard who was mirrored (but the model is actualy the same). I am just curious what has happened, because this is very suspicious.

https://twitter.com/mcindus_mods/status/1170277479203921921

[Kawayol]

Originally posted by KaosReigns:

No matter what SquE stole, the original assets belong to them. So TECHNICALLY, they could actually sue the modder for using their assets without permission.

That's complete BS and is an absolutely fallacious misunderstanding of this whole thing.
First and foremost, SquE doesn't have ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on their hands anymore BECAUSE ENTIRETY OF SOURCE CODE WAS LOST IN EARLY 2000s (it was bad even before PC port of 2000 released, that's why they had to use leftovers from Japanese PSOne release's source code to build PC port off of to. After that release, they've managed to lose even THAT leftover code. By the time Steam's garbage half-assed EMULATION of a "release" was out in 2013, they LITERALLY didn't have even one single line of original source code on their hands anymore). They have NOTHING.

Secondly, McIndus' assets are VERY clearly COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the original assets of PSOne's releases. That Triple Triad looks NOTHING like how the original Triple Triad does! It's entirely different and thus can be considered a person's own IP, NOT SquE's property! If McIndus were to use actual original designs/assets and just hi-res them up or somehow soup them up design-wise, then yes, it could've been said that he used SquE's thing. But he's NOT. McIndus' rendition of Triple Triad looks NOTHING alike to how original Triple Triad looks. If you think it does - you know NOTHING of this game and you've clearly didn't play jack any of it.

And thirdly:
Modders' work, in particular McIndus', is a FREE project that gains NO monetary profit from it's spread or usage by others. Meanwhile, by STEALING this (and it IS a CONFIRMED robbery that was performed by SquE, because NO credit to original author was given and because SQUE PRESENTS THIS AS WORK OF THEIR OWN, which it's NOT in any way whatsoever, because, again, McIndus' rendition is NOTHING like what original Triple Triad looks like. It's NOT SquE's work, it's NOT SquE's IP, it never was and NEVER will be right until McIndus HIMSELF decides to either SELL them the rights OR they make the thing of their own completely anew from scratch. Right now they're not and they're just "shopped" McIndus' product slightly, while NOT giving him due credit and NOT even contacting him before doing this, as McIndus himself confirmed he knew NOTHING of this right until that very moment he started playing the game and saw with his own eyes that they arrogantly STOLE his work) exact design and just "slightly retouching it in Photoshop", WHILE putting it into a game which SquE dares to ask ANY money for, IS a commercial usage of STOLEN PROPERTY. It's EXACTLY same kind of a case as if was pirating some game and THEN arrogantly selling ROMs/game's ISO images anywhere, FOR REAL CASH.
That is a DIRECT violation of both the legal and copyright law. SquE should be sued the flying rat's ass out of them and whoever decided to go through with this THIEVERY, the exact people who performed it, should be jailed. Through and through. We should never forget and never ever forgive.

[MaGicBush]

Originally posted by Master Chen:

Originally posted by KaosReigns:

No matter what SquE stole, the original assets belong to them. So TECHNICALLY, they could actually sue the modder for using their assets without permission.

That's complete BS and is an absolutely fallacious misunderstanding of this whole thing.
First and foremost, SquE doesn't have ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on their hands anymore BECAUSE ENTIRETY OF SOURCE CODE WAS LOST IN EARLY 2000s (it was bad even before PC port of 2000 released, that's why they had to use leftovers from Japanese PSOne release's source code to build PC port off of to. After that release, they've managed to lose even THAT leftover code. By the time Steam's garbage half-assed EMULATION of a "release" was out in 2013, they LITERALLY didn't have even one single line of original source code on their hands anymore). They have NOTHING.

Having or not having the source code means jack lol. It's still their ip, and that mod was made using their ip and their engine, etc.

On another note I'm curious how you know they don't have their original source code any more?

[sumolagann]

The new FF HD remaster! *adds all mods by modding community and charges full price*

[Kawayol]

Originally posted by sumolagann:

The new FF HD remaster! *adds all free mods by modding community and charges full price*

This person somewhat gets it.

[sumolagann]

Originally posted by MykaelNoctis:

Cards in the remastered version don't look like that ! they don't have fency background or anything just look in your game !

Modder and thread is a lie? I don't own it

edit: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/778482308452282936/4CC66BDF0E1A6EEA479DFEE7BD4656C2EFA2E0E4/

That doesn't look like his mod, but no idea.

[Kawayol]

Originally posted by 󠀡Null:

Why is everyone saying "full price"?

It's in a meaning of "fully developed, complete game"-kind of a price, not necessarily "modern AAA" kind of a price. As in - this garbage POS of a pseudo-"""""remaster""""" isn't worth ANY money to be asked for AT ALL, yet SquE is arrogant enough as to ask monetary sum for it which is usually a mark of an actually properly developed and released game. This here particular case is absolutely not that. It's just a mere set of (mostly very bad) MODS applied over Steam's 2013 subpar release which, in on itself, is already essentially just a subpar emulation, because source code is nonexistent and they couldn't do jack about it, which shows immediately (wrong/bad textures, seams, bugs and glitches, cut content, etc). It's an absolute scam all way through and through, NOT a game. They're selling you a MOD applied over a 6 years-old previous release, NOT a new thing, that's why it's not worthy of being called a full game and sure as hell not worthy of a pricetag of a full game in the meaning of "complete game". 20$ is usually a price for properly remastered old games (such as recent GRANDIA releases, for example) or high quality indies. This here half-assed lazy garbage POS that has cut, censored, and outright stolen content, is not that in any way, shape, or form. They're asking money for a MOD, and they're asking INANELY too much. A scam. If anything, this is NOT different from "stickers" or "bricks" scamming on e-bay.

[KaosReigns]

Originally posted by 󠀡Null:

Why is everyone saying "full price"? Full price is 60-70 euros, not 20...

Well.... that should at least give you an idea of the age range currently posting. I bought it cuz I had 25$ lying around doing nothing, and I felt it needed a job. So buying a copy of FF8 was its job, it did well. I am proud of that 25$

[sumolagann]

Originally posted by KaosReigns:

Originally posted by 󠀡Null:

Why is everyone saying "full price"? Full price is 60-70 euros, not 20...

Well.... that should at least give you an idea of the age range currently posting. I bought it cuz I had 25$ lying around doing nothing, and I felt it needed a job. So buying a copy of FF8 was its job, it did well. I am proud of that 25$

Buy Chrono Trigger and FFX while you're at it, that way square will never wise up and we'll never get any quality releases ever again.

[KaosReigns]

Originally posted by sumolagann:

Originally posted by KaosReigns:

Well.... that should at least give you an idea of the age range currently posting. I bought it cuz I had 25$ lying around doing nothing, and I felt it needed a job. So buying a copy of FF8 was its job, it did well. I am proud of that 25$

Buy Chrono Trigger and FFX while you're at it, that way square will never wise up and we'll never get any quality releases ever again. :tchecosmile:

Already own X, and its a perfectly acceptable port. Same with *puke vomit* X-2. They are both totally fine ports.

CT is also a fine port "now". SE did some massive overhauls and the people are happy with it.

To be honest, let me give you 2 choices.

Final Fantasy IV, V, VI style.

or

Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX style?

Those are your options, which do you choose to support and vote with your wallet to keep making?

[Kawayol]

You're still wondering why I've black-listed him and other scrubs of that kind? Sheesh.

[sumolagann]

Originally posted by KaosReigns:

Originally posted by sumolagann:

Buy Chrono Trigger and FFX while you're at it, that way square will never wise up and we'll never get any quality releases ever again.

Already own X, and its a perfectly acceptable port. Same with *puke vomit* X-2. They are both totally fine ports.

CT is also a fine port "now". SE did some massive overhauls and the people are happy with it.

To be honest, let me give you 2 choices.

Final Fantasy IV, V, VI style.

or

Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX style?

Those are your options, which do you choose to support and vote with your wallet to keep making?

Mainly talking about how they broke the facial animations for X remaster, i'm sure the port is fine though. I can see your point about wanting to support the style of game, but CT, FFX and FFVIII are pretty much insult level. I mean an insult to the games developers too.

[KaosReigns]

Originally posted by sumolagann:

Originally posted by KaosReigns:

Already own X, and its a perfectly acceptable port. Same with *puke vomit* X-2. They are both totally fine ports.

CT is also a fine port "now". SE did some massive overhauls and the people are happy with it.

To be honest, let me give you 2 choices.

Final Fantasy IV, V, VI style.

or

Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX style?

Those are your options, which do you choose to support and vote with your wallet to keep making?

Mainly talking about how they broke the facial animations for X remaster, i'm sure the port is fine though. I can see your point about wanting to support the style of game, but CT, FFX and FFVIII are pretty much insult level. I mean an insult to the games developers too.

I dont disagree with this, but as I said, if im voting, its on the CT/FFX/FFVIII side. I hate what they did to FFIV, V and VI. The fact CT looks normal, proves they COULD have done it with them lol

To be fair, I wont touch the SoM remake to save my life. So I am a bit bias.

[sumolagann]

Originally posted by KaosReigns:

Originally posted by sumolagann:

Mainly talking about how they broke the facial animations for X remaster, i'm sure the port is fine though. I can see your point about wanting to support the style of game, but CT, FFX and FFVIII are pretty much insult level. I mean an insult to the games developers too.

I dont disagree with this, but as I said, if im voting, its on the CT/FFX/FFVIII side. I hate what they did to FFIV, V and VI. The fact CT looks normal, proves they COULD have done it with them lol

CT looks normal except for the color, it's same as DS which had bad color.

edit: https://i.imgur.com/eAfZ8wq.jpg DS same as steam color

[Kawayol]

Originally posted by sumolagann:

...X remaster, I'm sure the port is fine--

https://images2.imagebam.com/43/94/14/b0a0901308772014.jpg
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https://images2.imagebam.com/e2/a8/28/da38c21308761424.jpg

"B-b-but MUH PHILIPPINES" (c) Null

[sumolagann]

Originally posted by Master Chen:

Originally posted by sumolagann:

...X remaster, I'm sure the port is fine--

https://images2.imagebam.com/43/94/14/b0a0901308772014.jpg
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https://images2.imagebam.com/e2/a8/28/da38c21308761424.jpg

"B-b-but MUH PHILIPPINES" (c) Null

It hurts lol. X, CT, Dark Souls, SotC is hard to see them be mistreated so much with remaster/remakes (sotc sort of acceptable, but they're doing the same thing as square on a lower level. killing small detail/expression, ruining lighting)

At least 7 remake looks nice.