Why is AGK Studio not the first choice for AGK Users?

[Vectrex71]

If i study the Forum here on steam or on the official TGC Page, then i think that AGK STUDIO seems for many existing AGK Users not the first choice. Most of them still using AGK "Classic" . And i can't understand why ! For me personally AGK Studio is way more better than the old classic Version. AGK STUDIO looks more professional and the CLASSIC GUI looks very outdated. The 2D Editor is implemented and useful on STUDIO. On Classic the external 2D Editor is a piece of $#!+ "Sorry". I could compare even more like Vulkan Renderer, Asset Library and so on. But all in all AGK STUDIO is "for me" way better and is a good product base for further updates and the Future of TGC. So finally my question. Why is Classic still there and why do YOU use classic instead of STUDIO ? Meanwhile STUDIO cost less than i payed back then in the pre-release BETA :-) I think it is also important for TGC itself. As long as YOU use the old Classic version they canot make money. But they need money to exist and to bring AGK further with updates. In my personal opinion AGK STUDIO is an extremely underrated product. Give it a chance!

[Amiga Forever]

I dont know whatever the reason is but for some people move on different programming language these day.

I have my own Fav Programming language such as Purebasic or BlitzMax(I know it is old but it is very soild programming language as much more cleaner code than AGK Studio !!! )

[Vectrex71]

Ohh Blitz Max?! Intersting,, i thought that BlitzMax is dead since years!! But i was wrong! Even the Website is Copyright 2021 ! https://blitzmax.org/

And pure basic is also an oldie goldie around since "decades"

[Zaxxan]

I own Classic and Studio but I prefer to use Classic. I feel that Studio is cluttered, the help system (F1) isn't as good, plugins cannot be used (I used a plug in on classic to preserve code folding), there are no indentation markers and I am unable to customise the editor colours to me liking, the random system just does not work very well. I don't really find any of the additions to studio to be very useful i.e media viewer, scene editor etc.

I have changed the colours and theme on the Classic Geany editor, loaded plugins that I require, set indentation markers etc. I personally find the coding experience far better on classic.

[Vectrex71]

Thank you for your perspective ! I think the Help System on the right side is very usefull, Plugins like Shaderspack or the Particle Editor works also well on Studio. The Editor looks IMO more "professional" But i made the Icons smaller. Colors are fully Ok for me "Dark" And the Scene Editor looks also better as the old one from Classic (ONLY my personal opinion) But it's intersting to see other opinions ! Again...- Thank you !

[Zaxxan]

AGK2 is a great product and is fun to use which ever version you use. I have had hours of enjoyment out of it and I have already written 2 games since purchasing the software 2 months ago.

[Loktofeit]

"Most of them still using AGK "Classic" . And i can't understand why!"

I have both. I use AGK Classic (AGK2).

- The AGK2 Geany IDE is more configurable/customizable.
- Search/Replace are full featured panels, not tiny boxes with teeny one-letter buttons
- AGK2 Replace feature has "Session" and "Open Documents" options, AGKS does not
- The symbols/functions/variable lists are more visible and useful
- AGKS doesn't acknowledge the splash and setup files that AGK can use
- AGK2 has asterisk and color change on tabs of files that were changed but not saved. Yes, those are now a dot in the first column in AGKS, which is an odd way of doing things.
- AGKS arbitrarily alphabetizes project files in the tab. There is no logical reason to do so.
- The AGKS Help feature doesn't have Help for any of the core commands.
- AGK2 help pages have more info/examples than AGKS in-editor help pages
- Basic functions missing from the menu. Save All is only available as a toolbar icon
- AGKS lacks industry standard Alt-key and arrow controls for Menu navigation
- AGK2 has a color picker
- The comment/uncomment in AGKS context menu is kind of useless because it uses some bizarre "//~" comment system. If you did not adopt their arbitrary system, 'uncomment code' no longer works. So far I have found no way to change their "//~" nonsense.
- AGKS' selling point is Vulkan. AGK2 and OpenGL on AGKS are faster. (source: https://forum.thegamecreators.com/thread/226536 )

AGK kicks ass.
AGK2 is great.

AGKS is... not kicking any ass and not great.

[Vectrex71]

hmmm ok, for my personal taste your list has not a single feature for me that speaks for AGK2 ! I mean, a color picker. c'mon there are other color pickers outside and the principle of how the color code works 0(R),0(G),0(B) is black and f(R),f(G),f(B) is white and all between is not a rocket science :-) The Helpfunction could be better with more examples, yes that's right. I bought 2 eBooks about AGK(S) (both about 1000 pages!) to learn more about AGK(S). But, i like your Feedback i asked for ! And i thank you for your time to write this comment. But i personaly would still use AGKS. But hey, it's great to have both opportunities AKG2 and AGKS . I think i see now more clear, why people use AGK or AGKS.
Thank you and have a nice weekend!

[Loktofeit]

" I bought 2 eBooks "
They're great books, right? Extremely helpful for learning and reference.

You have a great weekend, too!

[Loktofeit]

" 0(R),0(G),0(B) is black and f(R),f(G),f(B) is white and all between is not a rocket science :-) "

Or... is it? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jsa.colormatch

;)

[Vectrex71]

Lokofeit wrote:
"They're great books, right? Extremely helpful for learning and reference."

The eBooks are TOP!! Really worth the money! But the website where you can buy this Books is crap and it looks like a page from 1998. After you paid for the books, you have to wait until 24h for the download Link (LOL) I thought this is a joke for 2020 when i bought those 2 books. But the Books itself they are extremely helpful and made with passion and love. I can recommend them to everyone. Because YouTube Tutorials are almost not existent or not what i was looking for or made from kids where you can hear the Notebook fan beside the microphone :-)

Lokofeit wrote:
"Or... is it? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jsa.colormatch"

LOL !!! yes ha ha not "F F F" i mean "255 255 255" for white! OMG :-( Embarrassing

[Jyscalus]

Not to mention their demo of AGKS, simply does not work, which put's a lot of people off. I actually sent the devs an email months ago about this problem and got told it would be fixed ASAP. Months later it's still broken and given their track record will never be fixed because they are working on GameGuru MAX, which will also be semi-abandoned in 6 months.

[JESSIKA 07]

I am gonna say this...
Why do these devs never make 3 different person use their program before release?
-a brand new person who never programmed before but enthousiast to learn
-a person who publish one game with another program
-a user of the latest version of the product that was develop before this one (AGK2-AGK)
and see what everyone think they should do to improve the program and make it right?...

[Loktofeit]

I like the way you think. o/

[FiatLux]

I have the Classic version and were tempted to take one of the recent offers on AppGameKit Studio + other but lacked the funds at the moment !
I mean , I am not a professional game developer but I am tempted to upgrade !

[pfaber11]

I've been using AGK studio for the past year and really like it . Vulkan is very nice and does give a noticeable performance increase. I used AGK classic for a couple of years before I had Studio and much prefer Studio. It's nice having my assets and documentation on the screen at the same time as my code so I don't need to write things down very often. Helps with scan codes etc. Anyway I think Studio is way better than Classic and well worth the extra money especially if you take advantage of the regular sales by TGC on steam.