why NOT to buy (a longer review)

[Wulf_Ace]

Hello, to quick introduce myself, I am 33 years old and I have been playing game like Heroes of MandM 3,4 and 5. Also Age of wonders 2 and 3, also Disciples 2. From card games Hearthstone ,eternal card game and some Fearia.So i like this kind of games thats why I wanted to give it a try,was hoping a lot of it,didnt get my money worth, lets start. (sorry for bad english)

Started playing Dracul campaing, ok started with video storytelling (was suprised since this kind of games are better with text storys not video but ok) Story and first mission not so bad, i had a feeling its gonna be complicated and nice to play BUT oh boy did i got it wrong. After first mission everything goes in direction like its writen by 7 year old boy. I wont say much about that beacouse of the spoilers,but lets just say it goes only like this, "I am angry and now I am going to kill everybody else", oh come on,great idea for the story and you had damn vampires as a idea.

GOing into second and third mission is painfully boring, I didnt have that feeling of expectation what is going to happen next beacouse every mission , just like the story go and kill everybody without anything else. Map itself needs a lot more things on it to be interesting. ENemy is campaing is brainlessly boring and ultra weak, there is no army you cannot defeat its just that he will bore to death with you with their second armys and take your territory while you are on other part of the map, something similar like heroes 5 AI if you know what i mean.
Got to the 4th map of the campaing and i quited, it was so boring to play it, brainless mission, ZERO story, too easy enemys,no feeling of progress in mission or campaing and battles are ultra easy. Lets say you and enemy have the similar army,it says close victory or a minor defeat, you know what will happen after battle? YOu will MAYBE lose one unit beacouse AI is so dumb.Now lets explain why.

First of all I really like battle map,it has a lot of things to play around for tactic players, BUT AI doesnt know how to play it. LEts say you have a choke point, you put your hero there, they will all attack him, got stuck in the way behind and you will annhilate all of them without losing any unit,if you also do the flanking ok,oh yeah flanking bonus is a bit too high. AI will always charge you in the closest way to your ffirst unit, AI currently doesnt know how to handle choke points and thats why 90 percent of the battles you will go without a lost unit no matter how strong the enemy is. My only thought how to fix this is that you allow units to attack diagonally, since that would put a pressure on unit in choke point,and THAT is the only way of fixing this. Or MAYBE to put less obstacles in a battle map ,but that will be a bit boring.
In current state AI is not a challenge to play at, this game will need a multiplayer to survive this.

So after boring campaing I started sandbox,with other vampire clan.
Ok there are some improvments but again,AI will send endlessly a lot of armies to cap your territory without any real threat, they will just bore to death you. THat kills a bit of exploration beacouse trust me you will have to waste time to recapture your territory over and over again.
Second thing, this other vampire clan is a lot stronger then Dracul.by my opinion. THey DONT have maintanance blood loss, which is ultra great thing for having a huge armys without penalty. And with them its not problem to get blood points with cards or feeding with villages.Got no problem with them to have a big army and also to have a lot of blood points. They MUST have a maintanance unit cost or they will be a lot of OP. THeir unit with flanking bonus attack needs nerf, current state is a bit too strong.
SO about sandbox summary,it is a bit more interesting,but again AI is too dumb,multiplayer would solve this problem so that you have a more interesting game and gameplay.

ok lets make a summary:

YES i know its beta but basic principle of the game is lacking the cost of this game, i am really sorry that I cant refund this game anymore since its not worth the cost for what it has to offer,even when it comes released it wont worth more then 20 euros.why?

-THere is no story, the story in campaing is too simple,no feeling of progress (mostly also beacouse the story is go and kill all humans,the end,grats.}
-AI no matter what army does he got you can easily out manouver him and win him without almost no loss.AI needs rework so that he also uses wait, better spells and not to get choked in some points.
-Needs a lot more stuff in adventure maps,since now its pretty boring to explore it.
-THere needs to be a LOT more cards, since now you will get stuck in your hand with a lot of the same cards. In my opinion they should have left cards in adventure map and in battle map they should have go that every hero have spells,and to put more diffrent spells in battle,maybe even not to put hero in battle since he kinda doesnt so much fit in there but ok.
-Any positive thing? well yes. Nice idea of vampires clans. Nice look of the card (but needs more of them). Great battle map,but needs rework of AI that he can actually use it,or just add multiplayer so that you actually have some difficulty and fun.

In THIS current state and by the looks of it how it will come out the game is not worth of the money,i am sorry that I wasted that much money. After only about 6 hours,the game is boring to play as hell, nothing more to try,explore ,or to feel in campaing. THe game is selling nice looking vampire game that has no story or replayabilty gameplay. Dont be fooled like me by the looks of the game, and I dont think they will do much more when the game releases.

[Ooboo]

I am sorry that this is your experience and your feeling. I recently bought it as well and am playing sandbox mode and LOVE the game. To each their own.

[Skybreaker]

Hi everybody,
@Ooboo
Thank you for your kind words and feedback.

@WolfGuard
Same for you, thank you for your feedback.
Once again, it should be said, that you are playing a beta-version, which is not complete in its contents,meaning some things you are playing might be still subject to change. Additionally, it is quite unfair talking about story, when you have not seen the whole story for the Dracul, yet, there are two additional clans with adding up to the story, you have not yet seen.
Therefore, be aware that there is for sure more coming along.
How much will be playable in the beta, by unlocking it, I cannot promise or specify at the moment.
Stay tuned.
Plus, make always sure, making use of the ingame F1 function to report or maybe even get feedback. We always appreciate constructive feedback.

-cheers

[Unrealtairo]

I'm going to wait.
Sorry but too many companies use the "Its beta" Excuse only for nothing to change for the better. To date every beta and alpha I've been in where players and devs white knight the excuse "it's beta" have never came out better. "It's beta" is just not an acceptable response anymore.
Even SE used this guise on FF14. 2.0 Was better then 1.0 but 2.0 beta TO DATE has never improved on the core problems (it was made for the dumb/low IQ player communities) and is just as for the brain dead now as it was almost a decade ago

[Davor]

I bought the game to support the devs. Price is fair. Was about to buy on Xbox, but GACK, price is so expensive. Here I thought Steam's 30% cut was huge, but DANG, Microsoft and Sony are just robbing us blind.

One thing I see here is people giving their reviews and opinions, which is fair after all it's their opinion, BUT to treat the game as if it's a AAA title at $80 Canadian ($60US) is NOT FAIR.

If we are going to say something is bad then we need to take price consideration into account here. Just look at Civ V and Civ 6 for example. HUGE bugets, HUGE number of people working on the game and Firaxis still can't have a good AI or game play without lots of patches to fix.

So seeing how this is more than half the price of AAA titles, with lot less manpoower working on the game and not so much for budget to make that game, that should be considered as well.


There is one game I bought where I thought the graphics were bad, but game play was fun. Thing was, savying almost 60% of the game, so paying only $30 instead of $80 is a huge difference since the developer (or was it the publisher or both?) did sell the price of the game at full price. So the savings of not having great graphics was passed unto us.


So since Immortal Realms is what under $40, that should be taken into consideration as well. Sadly that is not the price on Xbox and can't justify the price on there, but on PC price should be taken into consideration as well.

Otherwise it's not fair to say that a $30 game with bad AI is not acceptable when same thing happens with an $80 game.


Not saying the original poster is right or wrong but price should be considered as well.After all if the savings are passed onto us, we shouldn't expect top notch quality then.

[madracc00n]

I am pretty sure u still can refund,since game has not come out yet.

[Skybreaker]

Hi everybody,
Yet, why doing so, when getting the full game in addition upon release?

As please be aware you are not pruchasing the game preview, but pre-purchasing the the full game, getting the game preview just as bonus and sneak peek what can be expected, when the game is released.

-cheers

[Wulf_Ace]

Originally posted by madrac00n:

I am pretty sure u still can refund,since game has not come out yet.

Is that true or you guessing?

[madracc00n]

Originally posted by WolfGuard:

Originally posted by madrac00n:

I am pretty sure u still can refund,since game has not come out yet.

Is that true or you guessing?

U can try it urself,i think it also depends on ur refund history.It only takes a couple of minutes to fire refund through steam interface.

[Wulf_Ace]

Originally posted by madrac00n:

Originally posted by WolfGuard:

Is that true or you guessing?

U can try it urself,i think it also depends on ur refund history.It only takes a couple of minutes to fire refund through steam interface.

I ve did it, thank you very much friend.

[bigkosy]

I quit at mission 3 because I think the AI is (now?) massively cheating. Each round I get attacked by at least one army which kill my whole high tier army in a battle without problem. Also not able the change difficulty settings is a no-go.

Hope the game will be really released someday in a good state, but have doubts ( see -> "A year of rain").

[LionSaurus]

Originally posted by bigkosy:

I quit at mission 3 because I think the AI is (now?) massively cheating. Each round I get attacked by at least one army which kill my whole high tier army in a battle without problem. Also not able the change difficulty settings is a no-go.

Hope the game will be really released someday in a good state, but have doubts ( see -> "A year of rain").

Hi. What issues are you having with mission 3? Can you do a play by play of what you are doing?
I've beaten all the campaigns so I would be more then happy to share my experience.

[madracc00n]

Originally posted by WolfGuard:

Originally posted by madrac00n:

U can try it urself,i think it also depends on ur refund history.It only takes a couple of minutes to fire refund through steam interface.

I ve did it, thank you very much friend.

U are wellcome

[CryonicSuspension]

It's standard that you can refund any time up until the game releases.

I don't often pre-purchase a game, so I dunno if that's changed.

I liked the art direction & what I played in the beta.

[Big Poppa]

Yea pretty unimpressed at the moment.

[Skybreaker]

Hi Big Poppa,
could you actually share some more details on that that we actually might improve on the feedback?
Thank you in advance.

-cheers