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Float07 Sep 10, 2020 @ 8:24am
What is this "woke" and "gender pronouns" thing that are creating problems in the forums?
If this question isn't appropriate I'll just delete it, so sorry for any problem.

But I'm just curious. What is this thing about "pronouns" people are discussing about (and creating some problems as well)? I haven't played the demo so I really don't know what this is about.
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Retro Sep 10, 2020 @ 8:46am 
People aren't really creating problems from what I've seen it's been pretty mature so far, I think some people are just afraid it's pandering for social points, if you look at every steam game forum it seems to be some sort of meme.
Float07 Sep 10, 2020 @ 8:48am 
I still don't really se what's the problem. I haven't played the demo so I don't know what you talking about.
Wolfen Sep 10, 2020 @ 9:27am 
"Their" "them" you never know if they are referring to plural or not.
Guess you can't even turn it on or off optionally.
But whatever, removed from wishlist, onto the next indie release, there are enough out this autumn.
Last edited by Wolfen; Sep 10, 2020 @ 9:27am
Beans Sep 10, 2020 @ 9:39am 
Originally posted by Wolfen:
"Their" "them" you never know if they are referring to plural or not.
Guess you can't even turn it on or off optionally.
But whatever, removed from wishlist, onto the next indie release, there are enough out this autumn.

Lol triggered snowflake, get over yourself.
DeLastOne Sep 10, 2020 @ 9:47am 
Originally posted by Wolfen:
"Their" "them" you never know if they are referring to plural or not.
Guess you can't even turn it on or off optionally.
But whatever, removed from wishlist, onto the next indie release, there are enough out this autumn.

Ok, bye.
abraham_linkedin Sep 10, 2020 @ 9:47am 
Some sensitive boychildren feel their peepees are threatened by vibeogame text.

Game is good by the way.
Girdio Sep 10, 2020 @ 9:49am 
Originally posted by Wolfen:
"Their" "them" you never know if they are referring to plural or not.
Guess you can't even turn it on or off optionally.
But whatever, removed from wishlist, onto the next indie release, there are enough out this autumn.

What an edgy teen. "How dare someone have pronouns?!?"
amrree Sep 10, 2020 @ 9:52am 
The issue is the dev team want to be seen as super woke. I’m sick to death of being discriminated against and looked down on because I am completely comfortable in my skin and gender. I’m sick of placating and accommodating 1% that think they’re superior. This point scoring move is gonna wipe a lot off sales, I know I won’t be recommending it as a curator, like ever. Stay woke.....
Excellion Sep 10, 2020 @ 10:00am 
Originally posted by Float07:
I still don't really se what's the problem. I haven't played the demo so I don't know what you talking about.

From what i can gather the idea is to evade referring to a character using a pronoun that assumes a gender for said character. For example, "Him" would refer to a male character, whereas "Her" would refer to a female. Which can be evaded using the word "They" or "Them" as those are gender neutral (Eg: Can be used for both genders). And apparently there are also specific pronouns for people who don't identify themselves as either male or female (Which i wasn't even aware of until a couple minutes ago - you learn something every day).

Now, this seems to create one of those wonderful ideological conflicts:

- The extreme on the one side being that a person with a gender identity that doesn't fit "Male or Female" demanding they be addressed with their preferred pronoun (Otherwise it would be a social injustice, eg woke).
- On the other side we have the group of people that considers "gender identify" to be a social fad or complete nonsense and they therefor considers the use of gender pronouns to be complete nonsense. With any medium catering to it attempting to score brownie points by pandering to a minority.

In other words, think of it as an extension of the LBGTQ+ debate where people either support, don't mind or feel against the concept and tend to be vocal in that opinion.For the rest of us: You'll see characters being referred to as "They" or "Them" i suppose, regardless if the character on screen is a male or female character. The degree of offence one takes from this is up to the person reading it i suppose.

As a non native English speaker i suppose i'd have a slight preference for "Him" or "Her" sheerly because "They" and "Them" are also used as a plural. But other than that this entire thing is really quite the none-issue. Unless there are some more biases in play that make a person feel more strongly about the topic.
Excellion Sep 10, 2020 @ 10:21am 
Originally posted by amrree:
The issue is the dev team want to be seen as super woke. I’m sick to death of being discriminated against and looked down on because I am completely comfortable in my skin and gender. I’m sick of placating and accommodating 1% that think they’re superior. This point scoring move is gonna wipe a lot off sales, I know I won’t be recommending it as a curator, like ever. Stay woke.....

Have you bothered to try the game for yourself, or are you simply pulling a "Cooper Lawrence" here by jumping on the bandwagon? If that name doesn't ring a bell: The woman who screamed on TV that Mass Effect was sexualized content that featured full frontal nudity, before being forced to retract that statement and having to admit she never even played the game (It's been about a decade since).

The game offers three choices one can select from for character pronouns:

- "He / Him"
- "She / Her"
- "Them / They"

Anyone who wishes to be "Him" or "Her" can select said option, without any detrimental effect as far as i can tell. And while i don't care for the "Them / They" option myself i suppose it's there for people who want it.

I have a hard time seeing how this option "discriminates" against anyone as no one is forced to pick or use it. When you get a drink at Starbucks, are you complaining they serve three types of coffee instead of two, just because you don't like one? No one forces you to order the one you don't like, eh?

Then again, i suppose the rest of the comment speaks for itself, going on a tangent that's not relevant in the slightest to the game (Congratulations for feeling comfortable in your skin by the way. But what part of that was relevant to the game?). If anything the entire "There are gender pronouns" things is just drawing in some of the more strongly opinioned people on that matter who feel a need to voice their thoughts without any relation to the game itself.
Last edited by Excellion; Sep 10, 2020 @ 10:40am
Originally posted by amrree:
The issue is the dev team want to be seen as super woke. I’m sick to death of being discriminated against and looked down on because I am completely comfortable in my skin and gender. I’m sick of placating and accommodating 1% that think they’re superior. This point scoring move is gonna wipe a lot off sales, I know I won’t be recommending it as a curator, like ever. Stay woke.....

Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, this isn't a cynical cash grab, and the devs just wanted everyone to feel included? No one's forcing these choices on you--you're free to just play as a man or a woman.

And who is attacking you? I'm a man, I identify as man--literally never, in my entire life, have I been attacked for this. Maybe once or twice by some crazy person on Twitter, but Twitter =/= real life. I've also never met a gay or queer person that thought they were superior. Who are these people you're talking to? I feel like you have a very warped view of them.

The energy you put out is the energy you get back.
BRUVNUH Sep 10, 2020 @ 10:29am 
The issue is some people have victim and/or narcissim complexes and need to make everything about them. See amrree comment for an example.
Last edited by BRUVNUH; Sep 10, 2020 @ 10:31am
Bug Hugger Sep 10, 2020 @ 10:33am 
Just click "he/him" dude and get on with your life
Bryan=0101 Sep 10, 2020 @ 10:42am 
I like how, people see that including the pronoun thing as being over-accommodating and over sensitive snowflake devs then go on to rage about it in the forums and boycott/leave when they don't get their way. It's like a feedback loop.
Originally posted by PLEASE DO NOT BULLY ME:
Originally posted by amrree:
The issue is the dev team want to be seen as super woke. I’m sick to death of being discriminated against and looked down on because I am completely comfortable in my skin and gender. I’m sick of placating and accommodating 1% that think they’re superior. This point scoring move is gonna wipe a lot off sales, I know I won’t be recommending it as a curator, like ever. Stay woke.....

Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, this isn't a cynical cash grab, and the devs just wanted everyone to feel included? No one's forcing these choices on you--you're free to just play as a man or a woman.

And who is attacking you? I'm a man, I identify as man--literally never, in my entire life, have I been attacked for this. Maybe once or twice by some crazy person on Twitter, but Twitter =/= real life. I've also never met a gay or queer person that thought they were superior. Who are these people you're talking to? I feel like you have a very warped view of them.

The energy you put out is the energy you get back.

People act as if the mere existence of people who are different and want equal rights and representation is infringing upon theirs.
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