Tried out Poland, Ulans need a buff/nerf

[Toki]

So the grenade spam in IR2 is straight up broken. The only country I could see maybe countering it is Russia mostly for the AOE, BUT the horses are fast and any micro-player can split them up to do large amounts of damage.

The biggest issue is the Ulans are so dang cheap- 200 food/50 wood? You can basically ignore metal once you hit IR. The stone mines help a lot with that as well.

The grenades basically rip apart any defense (i.e. Germany/Turkey).

Why would the Ulans need a buff them? Well stronger attack with the lances would make sense. What would make more sense is increase the speed just a little because...

The nerf should be to increase the food + add a metal cost to them. Everyone knows that metal is the hardest thing to get in every game and usually is the reason why you lose in the endgame situations.

Once you add, let's say, a 50-100 cost of metal to them (like knights), they're still strong, but you're going to be very careful on how to use them.

[Yang Sung Sik]

China mounted guardsmen can counter those Ulans or Zamburaks very fine I believe, it's also fun to see horsemen vs horsemen.

[Yang Sung Sik]

Besides a fun way to counter Ulans, you may just need machine gun stuff...the best is machine gun balloons...You can make 20 balloons and Ulans are over. Even 100 ulans will die in 20s. And yes that is for a town hall defense situation so balloons slow speed is ignored.

[Ausarcool]

Originally posted by Winged Hussar:

Besides a fun way to counter Ulans, you may just need machine gun stuff...the best is machine gun balloons...You can make 20 balloons and Ulans are over. Even 100 ulans will die in 20s. And yes that is for a town hall defense situation so balloons slow speed is ignored.

theres no need to worry about the town center as they only do 40 damage, if you have anti cavalry of course

[Yang Sung Sik]

Originally posted by Ausarcool:

Originally posted by Winged Hussar:

Besides a fun way to counter Ulans, you may just need machine gun stuff...the best is machine gun balloons...You can make 20 balloons and Ulans are over. Even 100 ulans will die in 20s. And yes that is for a town hall defense situation so balloons slow speed is ignored.

theres no need to worry about the town center as they only do 40 damage, if you have anti cavalry of course

Nope. When I play Poland, I usually play with 80 Ulans so yea, worry about Ulans indeed. Especially a free farm backline rush IR2 ez sim city game...
When everyone just has a couple of cool F17s tanks or some other light tanks or light cannons, my 80 Ulans can blow up everything like real terrorists...
Hell yea, even casual zamburak players are afraid of Ulans. Ulans are faster and have more armors than Zamburaks, if a pro micro player can get Ulans to get close to melee attack then rip Zamburaks.

[Ausarcool]

funny about those ulan is for some reason they throw their grenades at every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ buildings and units like maniacs, even if it is just a soldier.

[Yang Sung Sik]

Originally posted by Ausarcool:

funny about those ulan is for some reason they throw their grenades at every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ buildings and units like maniacs, even if it is just a soldier.

Yes they're like terrorists...
As long as it's out of melee range, they will throw grenades.
It's hard to play against a Poland backline IR2 farmer but it's not impossible. It's a team game, it needs many different factors to win.

[Toki]

It's not even that they're impossible to beat- machine guns/balloons/russian arty will take out the horses pretty quick- its more that with enough stables, its impossible to stop it (thats the strat I use as well so I'm on the giving side of that)

[Yang Sung Sik]

Originally posted by Toki:

It's not even that they're impossible to beat- machine guns/balloons/russian arty will take out the horses pretty quick- its more that with enough stables, its impossible to stop it (thats the strat I use as well so I'm on the giving side of that)

I think it's the same with zamburaks. Turkey has improved mines with double the rates, zamburaks don't cost that much. Same thing will happen like Ulans.

When I play Poland as a backliner (as you've seen with the name xD), I make something like 40+ stables, I usually win indeed. But it's like 7 out of 10 games. The rest 3 games are pro games where people know what to do. Even with 2 3 poland players cannot do much.

[Dredd]

so 250 food / 50 wood build timer of 40 secs.. they are spammable but can be easily hard countered so Poland would be throwing away their food to sustain the attacks even if the player throws down 20+ stables horses running into bullets isn't going to make a big impact.

If the game goes 1 Hour in then you can expect something like a Uhlan spam since their economy will have stabilized.

At that point locating the players farm and sniping tractors will set them back

[Yang Sung Sik]

Originally posted by Dredd:

so 250 food / 50 wood build timer of 40 secs.. they are spammable but can be easily hard countered so Poland would be throwing away their food to sustain the attacks even if the player throws down 20+ stables horses running into bullets isn't going to make a big impact.

If the game goes 1 Hour in then you can expect something like a Uhlan spam since their economy will have stabilized.

At that point locating the players farm and sniping tractors will set them back

I think around 10 MG towers can beat 60 ulans....Not with zamburaks though.

[Toki]

I think the balance I'm looking for is more of a stronger version of the Ulan to be a "shock" unit, but more expensive in general.