Game is unplayable. I don't get all the positive reviews. @devs

[Tiberius]

I am playing games like this since the 90s, such as AoE,AoM,EE and so on.. I did understand all the mechanics very quickly and was able to produce enough workers, upgrade stuff, build military and also move up in to the next epoche.

However, being attacked after only 8 minutes in to the game and not even reaching the next epoche (even though I was able to repell this attack) and then being attacked again by some horse rider spam 4 minutes later is just plain annoying and not fun.

I already hated when all the kids started discovering AoE not too long ago and turned the whole game in to a complete rush-fest, now this is pretty much the same, just for free.

I like the idea of the game as it very much feels like the good old EE, but I can't comprehend how people enjoy this type of game which is about development and building as well as making a strong army by just rushing attacks and spamming riders.

If I want this kind of fast paced gameplay I can also go and play a shooter game or back to AoE which is completely ruined by now as all the kids haven't got any patience anymore.



Now my solution:

- Implement some kind of peace time period.
or
- Allow to build proper walls from the first minute on of the game, so attacks aren't all that easy anymore without proper siege equipment.
or
- Remove all the micro-upgrades, when I pop in to a next epoche, I don't want to upgrade each unit, this is just a pain and not fitting for this obviously very fast paced game.
or/and
- Allow noobs to play in teams straight away instead of this Free-for-all nonsense.

I honestly hope this game gets a proper SP mode as MP isn't enjoyable for me personally like this..sry.

Thought I write this here instead of giving the game a thumbs down so devs can work on it.

[Humbaba]

I am sorry but it´s simply a case of getting better at the game

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Humbaba:

I am sorry but it´s simply a case of getting better at the game

If getting better means to rush as well and trying to be a faster rusher than others, then this isn't an enjoyable game for me. This kind of game is just not fun if you get involved in fights this early.

But thanks, your " git gud " arguments are getting old and it's simply the playstyle that MP forces you in to that makes the game not attractive to many players.

So either the use the solutions I have mentioned, or they will miss out on a good chunk of potential customers.

As simple as that.

[Dredd]

Well coming from a fellow AoE player I can see your points. But like the game designer of the AoE said.. The game wasn't meant to be played at 200 population, but at 75 population and that's with an villager/army. They didn't think players would go all out and max villagers which would make all the wood lines disappear. The whole thing about "online experiences might change" is because players push the envelope and limit-test all the time so that rush you get at 8 mins you can see as early as 5mins 30 sec. The whole gaming as a sport has grown to which this game has attracted competitive players to pick it this game up and it's not even complete yet because there's a lot of potential. Those suggestions are good and probably considered, but not a priority since it's a small team.

You can't expect to control the pace of the game unless you're good enough to do so, at which during time you can build pretty and have the kind of game you want a slowed pace game. Everyone starts off at the bottom as a noob and grows to keep up, but if you can't then maybe this game isn't for you.. right now. They are working on the campaign and the sandbox A.i is a good place to learn and practice. There are plenty of new players at the official discord where you can squad up and if there's enough you can host a private match for up to 30 players something AoE can't do.

If you want a slower pace game I think you should check out Stronghold and come back in between updates or just spend more time losing and learning the meta

[Tiberius]

Hi.

I am playing Stronghold. In fact I own all strongholds since SH1. I am a big fan of this series.

There is a new one out on the market but I dislike the Asian theatre and the reviews are rather bad.

Maybe I try it out on an offer.

[Dredd]

Originally posted by Tintin92:

Hi.

I am playing Stronghold. In fact I own all strongholds since SH1. I am a big fan of this series.

There is a new one out on the market but I dislike the Asian theatre and the reviews are rather bad.

Maybe I try it out on an offer.

You can try "Act of War: Direct Action" and it's sequel "Act of War: High Treason" reviving the Golden Era. There is also Call to Arms if you like modern RTS

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Dredd:

Originally posted by Tintin92:

Hi.

I am playing Stronghold. In fact I own all strongholds since SH1. I am a big fan of this series.

There is a new one out on the market but I dislike the Asian theatre and the reviews are rather bad.

Maybe I try it out on an offer.

You can try "Act of War: Direct Action" and it's sequel "Act of War: High Treason" reviving the Golden Era. There is also Call to Arms if you like modern RTS

I have CtA and also played all the AoW games.

I doubt there is any game you can recommend me lol.

As said, I play since the 90s and am not new to the strategy game genre.

[Dredd]

Originally posted by Tintin92:

Originally posted by Dredd:

You can try "Act of War: Direct Action" and it's sequel "Act of War: High Treason" reviving the Golden Era. There is also Call to Arms if you like modern RTS

I have CtA and also played all the AoW games.

I doubt there is any game you can recommend me lol.

As said, I play since the 90s and am not new to the strategy game genre.

Same i like the Golden Era, that's why i like this game alot the pace is actually good and population cap is nice.

[7Seven7]

Nothing new. There are a few dysfunctional players who can't really play. They are mean and malicious and they just want to win. But they do everything to spoil the game for their fellow players! They are also responsible for the umpteen good games that have broken.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Dredd:

Originally posted by Tintin92:

I have CtA and also played all the AoW games.

I doubt there is any game you can recommend me lol.

As said, I play since the 90s and am not new to the strategy game genre.

Same i like the Golden Era, that's why i like this game alot the pace is actually good and population cap is nice.

What I really loved was the early Blitzkrieg and Sudden Strike series as well as " World in Conflict " one of the greatest RTS games of all time, and so rewarding.

Originally posted by Prest:

Nothing new. There are a few dysfunctional players who can't really play. They are mean and malicious and they just want to win. But they do everything to spoil the game for their fellow players! They are also responsible for the umpteen good games that have broken.

Okay. Well..unless devs won't stop it by implementing the mechanics in my solution or at least one of it, players like this will always exist and players like me will always leave.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Sengo:

I do agree with your point of allowing new accounts to try out the team game mode.

idk how you come from AOE and think being attacked by 8 minute is "ONLY 8 minutes" that is a very long time by AOE2's pace which is rather slow in comparison to Starcraft2 or other more modern RTS.

If you would have read my whole topic you would not be asking this question and I really don't like repeating myself on a forum where one can reread the same thing a million times. lol.

I mean the third paragraph in my topic literally answers your question and points out that it hasn't always like this in AoE.

[xitus]

Originally posted by Humbaba:

I am sorry but it´s simply a case of getting better at the game

thats wrong, in a 8v8 youre lost if 2 player attacking you in 7 minutes. your workers dead -> game over, tower etc not enough damage or accurate its unbalanced as hell sadly

[MadConsular]

eh honestly if you build some towers, put some archers in them and build somewhat of a wall it's not that hard to stave off 80% of early game rushing. Infact if you build walls and towers noone will attack you as they'll just move onto easier prey

That being said you have to master the game because if you fall behind even a minute you could be screwed. My best advice is queue up 60 workers right off the start, build a hut. Auto all your workers to go onto food as theyre made. Get about 40 workers then build a temple and start upgrading. Then after an upgrade build towers and some walls. This all takes about 7 minutes if done correctly. Can someone rush stone age warriors and attack you before? Yeah it's possible and happens a lot, but I still think basic defense and speed prevents 80% of early game rushes

[[OG] Brandoid]

edit:

Originally posted by xitus:

Originally posted by Humbaba:

I am sorry but it´s simply a case of getting better at the game

thats wrong, in a 8v8 youre lost if 2 player attacking you in 7 minutes. your workers dead -> game over, tower etc not enough damage or accurate its unbalanced as hell sadly

referring to team games for balance
sounds like a skill issue.

[luis.lgq.maza]

This is just an example of you needing to get better at the game, and better at teamplaying. I used to think the game rushes too much, I even thought so of Age of empires back in the day. I liked building my stuff and chilling out. But I just sucked and had no macro experience. Now I can comfortably grow, build an army, attack enemies and defend my other fellow players. Honestly the only strategies I dislike are the late game rushes with China.

Playing in the frontline and in the backline are two entirely different experiences. In the front line your job is to annoy and avoid being rushed. By annoy I mean making sure the enemy looses more resources than you, killing villagers attacking the foundry... If you can kill someone even better. The backline has a lot more room to grow slowly and build an economy, but must give support to the frontline or they will loose.

[Leave me alone]

Bombing enemy capitol over and over again, clicked on the building to check on HP 3000/3000 xD nothing happend haha
"Very playable... "
P.S. marked attack field straight in the middle of capitol building, and no, there were none of his workers around to repair it... still it was untouchable.