Wait castlevania 3 is suppose to be the hardest one??

[Unseen]

Well I can't say for sure yet but frank was incredibly easy even by other frank standards. I'm up to the 6th level so far and really haven't had any issues. Just seems like more of 1, yes 1 and 3 had irregular enemy wave patterns. But imo it was nothing on the constant sudden transitioning and traps in super. I still don't understand why people are saying super is the easiest dracula tried to frickin cheat at the end make you think he was a super tank. Granted once you know the role of the battle he was less hard than bloodlines last boss. But he was still far harder than drac in 1. Maybe I need to get farther but having a 2nd member who has magic like an ice freezing spam that lets you 1 hit enemies is a major source of breathing room which we didn't get in 1. I think the ghost looking persons suppose to be the ice magic chick right? Well her sword is also really good, short range but it attacks fast and destroys projectiles well. I'll see how hard 3 is, but so far its not as bad as people said I still think super was the worst one for difficulty on here. But bloodlines was hard, just... Very short.

The last boss in bloodlines felt like the real meat of the game, the rest was just to fast and brief.

[sonicdv]

Are you using save states? Super is much easier to make progress in on account of the whip being op. If you die once in other games, you lose your subweapon, and a possible advantage that can carry you through the old games. While you might die more often in 4, you're never at a disadvantage like in the other nes games.

[Unseen]

Using save states? I used save states in everyone one of them on this collection and thank god they put them in there. I didn't ask for this game a friend sent it to me, I liked bloodlines back on genesis but I never beat it. Just watched a friend beat it. I'm slogging through these for the art and atmosphere really sick of seeing this save state crap.

Using save states for every one super still seems the hardest. Things literally killed you every step. Stop bringing up save states its spamming this forum.

Only castlevania I beat before this was SOTN proud casual.

[bulletjak]

Can't judge if you used save states. But yeah, CV3 is the hardest by popular opinion, I think Super Castlevania is harder though.

[1337Dude]

The use of save-states is known as save-scumming.

Acer has a pretty good article on this. This should be necessary reading for any players who using save states in emulation. I'll quote the key part

[Save scumming in video games is a term used to describe the act of saving a game frequently and reloading the most recent save if something in the game has not gone your way. With save scumming, players can quicksave before a critical event, such as a battle or decision, and then reload the save until the desired result is achieved. Although save scumming can be a helpful tool in some situations, it can also take away from the overall gaming experience.
https://blog.acer.com/en/discussion/911/what-is-save-scumming

Unless you actually play the games without save-states, you're not really playing the game it was meant to be played. It's not much different than, for example, using a cheat code to give yourself additional life. I'd highly recommend playing all of the games without save states to fully appreciate the games and to also to be able to have an actual opinion on each game's difficulty.

[Melodia]

Originally posted by 1337Dude:

Unless you actually play the games without save-states, you're not really playing the game it was meant to be played.

Oh no!

Anyway.

[1337Dude]

Originally posted by Melodia:

Originally posted by 1337Dude:

Unless you actually play the games without save-states, you're not really playing the game it was meant to be played.

Oh no!

Anyway.

I don't think it's controversial to say that you don't really have an opinion on a game's difficulty if you cheated to beat it. Common sense really.

And you claim not to care, yet here you are posting. Nobody cares if you suck at the games dude. Obviously if you cheat at a game and then come on here to pretend like you didn't, obviously people will point out that you did. And if you feel like you accomplished something by beating the game with save states, then good for you.

[metal_hamster]

Originally posted by 1337Dude:

Originally posted by Melodia:

Oh no!

Anyway.

I don't think it's controversial to say that you don't really have an opinion on a game's difficulty if you cheated to beat it. Common sense really.

And you claim not to care, yet here you are posting. Nobody cares if you suck at the games dude. Obviously if you cheat at a game and then come on here to pretend like you didn't, obviously people will point out that you did. And if you feel like you accomplished something by beating the game with save states, then good for you.

Using saves isn't cheating. Never will be. You're just acting like a tool. So unnecessary.

[Wintering Goose]

Originally posted by 1337Dude:

The use of save-states is known as save-scumming.

Acer has a pretty good article on this. This should be necessary reading for any players who using save states in emulation. I'll quote the key part

From the very same article:

Depending on the game, save scumming can save time. ...[S]aving after dealing with the horde and heading off to the boss can help save invaluable time if you don’t beat the boss.

...

To make sure you’re getting the most out of your save scumming, you need to have the best gaming machine.

Perhaps you would be more appreciative of the convenience of saving if you had a better gaming machine~?

[セブ様]

Hell, I'd argue Save scumming is a necessity in Castlevania Adventure, that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mess runs at 1 frame per hour on steam for some reason and has the stiffest BS no physics control I have ever seen. I literally had to save scum every single button press I did and it was still a Nightmare. Does anybody care? Nope. Should you care? Nope. If you enjoyed your time, it's on you.

Castlevania 3 is hard, but if you know how to use the characters, it's very manageable, especially in the JP version with Grant being kinda OP. Super Castlevania 4 is easily the easiest classicvania simply because of the mobility and aerial control you have over the other games. It's not an ''easy'' easy game but there is definitely far worse. Personally I think CV is the hardest out of the NES ones, especially if you aren't used to the whip timing or the very stiff control.

Anyway, difficulty is suggestive so I guess you could say any of them is the hardest.

[shirohiryu]

The thing that makes Castlevania 3 hard is that after you pass a certain point in the game.
( I can't remember exactly where. ) All attacks would take 1/4 of your health.

The north american version of the game was altered to make every enemy encounter more unfair past a certain point. At least compared to the original JPN. version. It was supposedly done as a rental counter-measure. They didn't like the idea of people renting games.

Being able to save scum past all the BS definitely makes the game much easier. And I don't have a problem with that and i don't think it's cheating.

But don't turn around and start to wonder why so many people are saying it was hard. Much like in Gradius dying costs you your power ups. starting in a late stage area with no power ups and no sub weapon ammo can be brutal.
But difficulty is subjective so enjoy and take care.

[viktorhallo]

how is savestates not cheating? most people can beat the games in 30-60 min with it. compared to being completely destroyed without it. the original game had no savestates and the only reason they added it is because most people would be chanceless on beating it without savestates.
if you beat C3 and say hey its pretty easy actually. you better not have used a single savestate, even practicing bosses with savestates like i did before beating it legit probably made me use 5 hours instead of 10.

[Pan the Sylveon]

Originally posted by metal_hamster:

Originally posted by 1337Dude:

I don't think it's controversial to say that you don't really have an opinion on a game's difficulty if you cheated to beat it. Common sense really.

And you claim not to care, yet here you are posting. Nobody cares if you suck at the games dude. Obviously if you cheat at a game and then come on here to pretend like you didn't, obviously people will point out that you did. And if you feel like you accomplished something by beating the game with save states, then good for you.

Using saves isn't cheating. Never will be. You're just acting like a tool. So unnecessary.

It is and always was. Stop being so immature.

[Pan the Sylveon]

Originally posted by viktorhallo:

how is savestates not cheating?

Because acknowledging the truth hurts their gamer pride.

[Unseen]

After beating death I'm starting to see why this one's considered hard. Need a break after that slogg nope sorry fleamen don't feel like your crap right now.

[Deathraven13]

Originally posted by metal_hamster:

Using saves isn't cheating. Never will be. You're just acting like a tool. So unnecessary.

Savestates is considering cheating in speedruns.