Suggestion for the sponge and spray bottle

[John HalfSword]

So we all use the sponge or the spray bottle to clean the car we all start with or a car we want to use instead, and then we just don't use the sponge or spray ever again since it is no longer required.
What if the car got dirty over time, like the window or windshield getting dirty and making it harder and harder to see the more it is neglected, maybe car parts could also get dirty too though cleaning that one would be optional.
That's pretty much my suggestion, how the dirtiness would appear is something i don't really know yet but it could be from driving off-road or/and when you pass through a sandstorm.

[Stringbender]

I know this is an older thread but, the original suggestion is very good. Yes we should have some different types of wear and tear. If we were actually abusing our cars the way we do in this sim, we would be polishing the car at least once every 60 to 100 Km. I know in the real world you could drive all the way across the US on one car wash, BUT, we don't plunge the car into the desert, dodging cactus, trees and rocks with not even a dirt road ...
And by the way, I have had experience with sand storms that ruined the paint job on the car!
The desert is a very hostile place for wear and tear on a vehicle, and I know that we don't want to be hassling with tires and paint all the time but I do think that some sort of maintenance should be required after time or Km, it keeps us hunting for stuff that we need. Food, car parts and protection from "Floppsie"!
I would love to wake up, or stop my car after some time driving and see that my tires have worn, or my paint has lost it's "shine" or for some reason one of my headlights is missing.
This could be an option in the settings menu so, if someone doesn't want to do upkeep on their car, just shut it off.
I would love to see this!

[Mechanos]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από osterberg6760:

I know this is an older thread but, the original suggestion is very good. Yes we should have some different types of wear and tear. If we were actually abusing our cars the way we do in this sim, we would be polishing the car at least once every 60 to 100 Km. I know in the real world you could drive all the way across the US on one car wash, BUT, we don't plunge the car into the desert, dodging cactus, trees and rocks with not even a dirt road ...
And by the way, I have had experience with sand storms that ruined the paint job on the car!
The desert is a very hostile place for wear and tear on a vehicle, and I know that we don't want to be hassling with tires and paint all the time but I do think that some sort of maintenance should be required after time or Km, it keeps us hunting for stuff that we need. Food, car parts and protection from "Floppsie"!
I would love to wake up, or stop my car after some time driving and see that my tires have worn, or my paint has lost it's "shine" or for some reason one of my headlights is missing.
This could be an option in the settings menu so, if someone doesn't want to do upkeep on their car, just shut it off.
I would love to see this!

The option should default OFF then. So you masochists can "optionally" have your unrealistic maintenance, but it isn't forced upon new players that don't know to turn it off.

Also you just contradicted yourself. First trying to say people would be polishing their cars every 60 to 100Km, then turning around and saying they can drive across the entire US on a single wash, then turning around and saying it's "sand storms" that can ruin a paint job. You can literally play this entire game without touching a sand storm. Stop bending truths to fit your maintenance fantasy. I live in high desert and haven't washed my car in months. It's "dirty" but not enough to be majorly noticeable. You guys got OCD or something, trying to push this obsession with keeping the paint job pristine through constant maintenance.

Disappearing headlights after sleeping?

[Colonel Meow]

This discussion is going places... I need popcorn

[Foxtrekker]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mechanos:

This isn't a game about realism. Look at your player model. Look at the lulz physics. Look at your ability to throw any engine in any vehicle and instantly snap on and off wheels and parts willy nilly. Stop with the "realism" argument. "Fun" should be your argument. If an overwhelming amount of people find having to repeatedly wash their car, to be fun, then you have a good suggestion. Otherwise, you're suggesting that there be more annoying upkeep mechanics, which would be better to be made as a mod, so your niche group can enjoy it. There's already a tire wear mod, so it should be possible to have "dirt over time" in a mod.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Foxtrekker:

Also you're not going to get far driving in a desert without being covered in sand and it wearing away the paint and making it dull again or even down to the metal.

LMFAO no. I have driven hundreds of miles through random Nevada desert irl to attend a wedding, and I live in a biome considered high desert. Our car did not magically suck up the sand and dust, and there was not any "down to metal" happening. It takes a while for dirt and dust to accrue, let alone for abrasion to happen. Rain seems to "stick" down the dust faster than anything. With the exception of dust storms mind you.

Also quick mention, I wouldn't be bothered too much if hitting rabbits and junk did run the risk of dirtying up the parts hit a little. Since that's technically avoidable, it wouldn't feel like an upkeep mechanic to me, and instead just an expansion on the current dirt system that kinda makes sense. But keep in mind, collision physics are wonky. One rabbit could spaz and max out the dirtiness real fast, unless it has some kinda hard limit. Like being limited to only raising 1 level of dirt on 1 part, or something to that effect.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mechanos:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από osterberg6760:

I know this is an older thread but, the original suggestion is very good. Yes we should have some different types of wear and tear. If we were actually abusing our cars the way we do in this sim, we would be polishing the car at least once every 60 to 100 Km. I know in the real world you could drive all the way across the US on one car wash, BUT, we don't plunge the car into the desert, dodging cactus, trees and rocks with not even a dirt road ...
And by the way, I have had experience with sand storms that ruined the paint job on the car!
The desert is a very hostile place for wear and tear on a vehicle, and I know that we don't want to be hassling with tires and paint all the time but I do think that some sort of maintenance should be required after time or Km, it keeps us hunting for stuff that we need. Food, car parts and protection from "Floppsie"!
I would love to wake up, or stop my car after some time driving and see that my tires have worn, or my paint has lost it's "shine" or for some reason one of my headlights is missing.
This could be an option in the settings menu so, if someone doesn't want to do upkeep on their car, just shut it off.
I would love to see this!

The option should default OFF then. So you masochists can "optionally" have your unrealistic maintenance, but it isn't forced upon new players that don't know to turn it off.

Also you just contradicted yourself. First trying to say people would be polishing their cars every 60 to 100Km, then turning around and saying they can drive across the entire US on a single wash, then turning around and saying it's "sand storms" that can ruin a paint job. You can literally play this entire game without touching a sand storm. Stop bending truths to fit your maintenance fantasy. I live in high desert and haven't washed my car in months. It's "dirty" but not enough to be majorly noticeable. You guys got OCD or something, trying to push this obsession with keeping the paint job pristine through constant maintenance.

Disappearing headlights after sleeping?

I don't know how your'e able to drive in your "high desert" without getting your car dirty, I can only assume you have not witnessed a real sandstorm in NV, but but they can cause a lot of damage and be very dangerous. Even in the city, add a bit of wind, and I can drive one day to work thru a construction zone and my car is completely covered with dust. I assume you can hear the constant wind blowing in the game and that it should have an effect on blowing sand, not to mention the sand storms. You could easily dull all shiny surfaces on your car just going thru one legitimate sandstorm. The ones in the game are not realistic, so they are avoidable and weak. Since it is an apocalyptic scenario, there's no reason not to add more realism to it, even to the extreme, as it is true that it is easy to drive the entire 5k in a shiny car. If you want easy play, that's fine, but i'm sure there are many out there looking for more of a challenge and things to keep them busy.

Also there are no levels of dirt for parts in the vanilla game but there are levels of rust that I assume represents the effects of an abandoned car sitting in the desert for a long time where the paint and chrome has been worn away and turned to rust. Technically after removing all the rust, one should have to repaint these things as well as there would not be paint left after removing the rust. If one chooses to put out the effort.

[Mechanos]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Foxtrekker:

2 ez

As I said, my car "is" dirty. But not enough to worry about. Well, I mean, apparently "you" would worry about it. But good luck with that. Also I never said a sandstorm can't get things dirty or damage things. I said you can completely avoid them in-game. Should your car get dirty if you do drive into one? Sure, why not, it's a sand storm. I'm on board with that idea.

This isn't a hardcore realism game though. Not in the slightest. Crazy physics, giant red eyed murderous rabbits that can trip and instantly die, infinite belch/fart button, UFOs, cacti that grow on pavement, flying brooms, the ability to attach a bus tire to a moped.. and your argument is "muh realism, the game isn't hard enough!". Like seriously, you think having to wipe your car with a sponge or spray it with a bottle, is "looking for more of a challenge"?

Here's a tip. Install the modloader. Go add all the mods that add difficulty, like the tire wear mod. There you go.

"Realism" aside, it would make complete sense for the vehicle to get 1 or 2 levels of dirtiness over time, like OP's original suggestion. I mean, I honestly was hoarding cleaning supplies as I thought my vehicle would eventually get dirty, and it just never happened. But that's a slippery slope, and it could easily become a hassle if it's cranked up too high, which is why I'm against the suggestion - out of fear that the dev would make dirt/wear happen too fast. Which is what it sounds like you're wanting - the vehicle to accrue it quickly and go beyond just dulling the paint, and maybe even impact vehicle performance. That's unrealistic, and would get annoying. Also, yeah.. the removing rust and having the original paint pop into existence is lulz. But lots of things in this game are lulz. It's kinda fun to guess at what color something is, de-rust it, then be completely wrong, hate the color, and immediately seek out a can of paint. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edit: typos/reworded to be nicer/etc

[Foxtrekker]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mechanos:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Foxtrekker:

2 ez :SBHorse:

As I said, my car "is" dirty. But not enough to worry about. Well, I mean, apparently "you" would worry about it. But good luck with that. Also I never said a sandstorm can't get things dirty or damage things. I said you can completely avoid them in-game. Should your car get dirty if you do drive into one? Sure, why not, it's a sand storm. I'm on board with that idea.

This isn't a hardcore realism game though. Not in the slightest. Crazy physics, giant red eyed murderous rabbits that can trip and instantly die, infinite belch/fart button, UFOs, cacti that grow on pavement, flying brooms, the ability to attach a bus tire to a moped.. and your argument is "muh realism, the game isn't hard enough!". Like seriously, you think having to wipe your car with a sponge or spray it with a bottle, is "looking for more of a challenge"?

Here's a tip. Install the modloader. Go add all the mods that add difficulty, like the tire wear mod. There you go.

"Realism" aside, it would make complete sense for the vehicle to get 1 or 2 levels of dirtiness over time, like OP's original suggestion. I mean, I honestly was hoarding cleaning supplies as I thought my vehicle would eventually get dirty, and it just never happened. But that's a slippery slope, and it could easily become a hassle if it's cranked up too high, which is why I'm against the suggestion - out of fear that the dev would make dirt/wear happen too fast. Which is what it sounds like you're wanting - the vehicle to accrue it quickly and go beyond just dulling the paint, and maybe even impact vehicle performance. That's unrealistic, and would get annoying. Also, yeah.. the removing rust and having the original paint pop into existence is lulz. But lots of things in this game are lulz. It's kinda fun to guess at what color something is, de-rust it, then be completely wrong, hate the color, and immediately seek out a can of paint. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edit: typos/reworded to be nicer/etc

No one is suggesting its hardcore realism, but you have to have a degree of it to keep it playable with a purpose, such as the only known goal of driving the 5k, so far. Keeping the car complete enough to drive and having to add vital fluids is certainly realism. Without that you'd have players just doing the 1k to get mods and then flying around for a while and getting bored. Seeing as you've only 50 hours on the game, that looks to be precisely what you've done.

As far as whether I would "worry" about my car being clean, which i'm not. I would however be concerned if my windshield was dirty enough that I couldn't see well enough to avoid hitting a tree and dying. Dying is real and can actually be funny in a game like this because of all the odd ways it can happen. The balance of fun and real is what makes a game. There are also other needs for the cleaning tools that you have eluded to, such as putting any part on any car, because they will most likely need cleaning, if the player chooses. Still you need the essential parts and supplies to keep yourself and the car going.

You constantly contradict yourself by saying things like, ""Realism" aside, it would make complete sense for the vehicle to get 1 or 2 levels of dirtiness over time, like OP's original suggestion. " This is not "realism aside". This is, in fact, realism lol. So you've managed to talk yourself into a circle.

I'm sure that the dev didn't intend for the broken physics to cause some of the odd things that you mention happening. The game is still in EA, but i can assure you it has come a long way in trying to correct those things. Sure there are scary rabbits and ufo's, but they wouldn't be much fun without a basic premise keeping you playing in the meantime.

Not to flex, but I am the sole player to travel around the entire map, which is made to represent the actual globe of 40,000 km around. The point being I could not have made it without things like coordinates, navigation, the sun and moon, oil, gas, water, etc (that realism) The most difficult part of it was the grueling hours, but my car still came out clean after traversing thru the middle of the desert the entire way. :) It's still a "sandbox" game in the end, so you can play it how you wish.

As you say, there are some great mods being made, and that community has a funny way of leaking into the game and becoming part of it. That's part of what helps an EA game become a complete one.

[Mechanos]

Whelp.. I tried to hold back. But you've gone straight into autism'ville at this point.

1. I don't cheat. I don't need to. I've never even tried the debug menu. But even if I did, that's how most people actually play this game. They play sandbox and spawn stuff in. Are you new around here or something?

2. Do you want a medal? Is that supposed to be impressive, that you spent the time to drive 40,000KM? lmao, like seriously? This game ONLY has a few things to do. Once you have a vehicle full of gas with cleaned up parts, you've pretty much beat the game. After that point, you're just driving, scavenging more gas, and maybe looking for an upgrade here and there. You end up having to think of ways to entertain yourself. You don't need 40,000KM to do that. You don't need 1000KM to do that. What is this imaginary pedestal you've put yourself on? Like seriously, you haven't accomplished anything of importance, nor anything worth bragging about. Kinda cringe honestly.

3. The "realism" being put "aside", is your "game should be realistic, even at the cost of gameplay" logic. As in, putting "that" line of thinking aside, I explained why supporting the addition of more maintenance mechanics can backfire. The game is already hugely devoid of things to do. Forcing players to do more maintenance, won't help.

4. Are you seriously trying to noob bash over 50 hours of play time? Are you for real?

It's clear to me, you don't actually care about this game or it's players, as you want to force your ideals on others and make yourself feel good. Maybe you're incapable of seeing other player's point of view? Whatever the case, your ego is obviously bigger than your argument.

[Foxtrekker]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mechanos:

Whelp.. I tried to hold back. But you've gone straight into autism'ville at this point.

1. I don't cheat. I don't need to. I've never even tried the debug menu. But even if I did, that's how most people actually play this game. They play sandbox and spawn stuff in. Are you new around here or something?

2. Do you want a medal? Is that supposed to be impressive, that you spent the time to drive 40,000KM? lmao, like seriously? This game ONLY has a few things to do. Once you have a vehicle full of gas with cleaned up parts, you've pretty much beat the game. After that point, you're just driving, scavenging more gas, and maybe looking for an upgrade here and there. You end up having to think of ways to entertain yourself. You don't need 40,000KM to do that. You don't need 1000KM to do that. What is this imaginary pedestal you've put yourself on? Like seriously, you haven't accomplished anything of importance, nor anything worth bragging about. Kinda cringe honestly.

3. The "realism" being put "aside", is your "game should be realistic, even at the cost of gameplay" logic. As in, putting "that" line of thinking aside, I explained why supporting the addition of more maintenance mechanics can backfire. The game is already hugely devoid of things to do. Forcing players to do more maintenance, won't help.

4. Are you seriously trying to noob bash over 50 hours of play time? Are you for real?

It's clear to me, you don't actually care about this game or it's players, as you want to force your ideals on others and make yourself feel good. Maybe you're incapable of seeing other player's point of view? Whatever the case, your ego is obviously bigger than your argument.

U know about debug, so u know mods, therefore I was right. No one said it was cheating. I use them sometimes. It is a simple game, mods enhance as well as end up in game. So do ideas, like the OP's here, yet u disagreed, then flip flopped. Typical.

Actually yes I would like a medal. It is a sandbox. Some drive, some build cool cars. I made my own goal as the game is incomplete so I decided I'd make it interesting. I see that your only goal is to ♥♥♥♥ on others ideas. You clearly don't know how creativity works. It starts out simple and becomes more. With your thinking Legos would never have become more than sticking 2 blocks together, lol.

Ideals? I merely support the idea of dirty cars, which u somehow think Is too much work to clean lol. I like the game, that's why I'm here. You're obviously bored so why are u here? Go tldr elsewhere.

[Mechanos]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Foxtrekker:

U know about debug, so u know mods, therefore I was right. No one said it was cheating. I use them sometimes. It is a simple game, mods enhance as well as end up in game. So do ideas, like the OP's here, yet u disagreed, then flip flopped. Typical.

Actually yes I would like a medal. It is a sandbox. Some drive, some build cool cars. I made my own goal as the game is incomplete so I decided I'd make it interesting. I see that your only goal is to ♥♥♥♥ on others ideas. You clearly don't know how creativity works. It starts out simple and becomes more. With your thinking Legos would never have become more than sticking 2 blocks together, lol.

Ideals? I merely support the idea of dirty cars, which u somehow think Is too much work to clean lol. I like the game, that's why I'm here. You're obviously bored so why are u here? Go tldr elsewhere.

[cringe intensifies]

[Stringbender]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mechanos:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από osterberg6760:

I know this is an older thread but, the original suggestion is very good. Yes we should have some different types of wear and tear. If we were actually abusing our cars the way we do in this sim, we would be polishing the car at least once every 60 to 100 Km. I know in the real world you could drive all the way across the US on one car wash, BUT, we don't plunge the car into the desert, dodging cactus, trees and rocks with not even a dirt road ...
And by the way, I have had experience with sand storms that ruined the paint job on the car!
The desert is a very hostile place for wear and tear on a vehicle, and I know that we don't want to be hassling with tires and paint all the time but I do think that some sort of maintenance should be required after time or Km, it keeps us hunting for stuff that we need. Food, car parts and protection from "Floppsie"!
I would love to wake up, or stop my car after some time driving and see that my tires have worn, or my paint has lost it's "shine" or for some reason one of my headlights is missing.
This could be an option in the settings menu so, if someone doesn't want to do upkeep on their car, just shut it off.
I would love to see this!

The option should default OFF then. So you masochists can "optionally" have your unrealistic maintenance, but it isn't forced upon new players that don't know to turn it off.

Also you just contradicted yourself. First trying to say people would be polishing their cars every 60 to 100Km, then turning around and saying they can drive across the entire US on a single wash, then turning around and saying it's "sand storms" that can ruin a paint job. You can literally play this entire game without touching a sand storm. Stop bending truths to fit your maintenance fantasy. I live in high desert and haven't washed my car in months. It's "dirty" but not enough to be majorly noticeable. You guys got OCD or something, trying to push this obsession with keeping the paint job pristine through constant maintenance.

Disappearing headlights after sleeping?

Chill
I probably didn't make myself clear. One, these are just suggestions. I've played this for over two months now whilst on a work leave and it saved me from going bonkers. However, once I had sifted the sim to it's core, I found that some SIMPLE maintenance might be welcome. As far as driving across the US, we stay on roads-Yes
But, for some of us who might offroad in the desert, cars take some wear very quickly. Especially with older model cars. Point is, after you find all there is to find, get all that there is to get, see all, maybe some of us need a bit more to keep going for the 5000Km we're supposed to go, The radio ain't gonna' do it! I'm talking about some really SIMPLE stuff here, I don't think I have OCD or ADD or anything else. And if nothing comes of it, that's fine too. Just suggestions, Ideas.

[Foxtrekker]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από osterberg6760:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mechanos:

The option should default OFF then. So you masochists can "optionally" have your unrealistic maintenance, but it isn't forced upon new players that don't know to turn it off.

Also you just contradicted yourself. First trying to say people would be polishing their cars every 60 to 100Km, then turning around and saying they can drive across the entire US on a single wash, then turning around and saying it's "sand storms" that can ruin a paint job. You can literally play this entire game without touching a sand storm. Stop bending truths to fit your maintenance fantasy. I live in high desert and haven't washed my car in months. It's "dirty" but not enough to be majorly noticeable. You guys got OCD or something, trying to push this obsession with keeping the paint job pristine through constant maintenance.

Disappearing headlights after sleeping?

Chill
I probably didn't make myself clear. One, these are just suggestions. I've played this for over two months now whilst on a work leave and it saved me from going bonkers. However, once I had sifted the sim to it's core, I found that some SIMPLE maintenance might be welcome. As far as driving across the US, we stay on roads-Yes
But, for some of us who might offroad in the desert, cars take some wear very quickly. Especially with older model cars. Point is, after you find all there is to find, get all that there is to get, see all, maybe some of us need a bit more to keep going for the 5000Km we're supposed to go, The radio ain't gonna' do it! I'm talking about some really SIMPLE stuff here, I don't think I have OCD or ADD or anything else. And if nothing comes of it, that's fine too. Just suggestions, Ideas.

Your are on point. There are several survival aspects that have been added to the game, but you wouldn't know it unless you've played a while. Like has been said, it is VERY easy to do the 5k as it is. You have cheap cars from the 70s that have been lying around for who knows how long. Of course a litlle needed maintenance makes sense. We're not talking about 2022 Tesla's. Even they are riddled with issues.

There have been 100s of suggestions that i'm sure are under consideration of being added if not planned already. It certainly makes sense there'd be more difficulty added to keep the car going as that is the main premise of the game at this point. I'm sure they can add a check box for those who don't want it...

[Mechanos]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Stringbender:

Chill
I probably didn't make myself clear. One, these are just suggestions. I've played this for over two months now whilst on a work leave and it saved me from going bonkers. However, once I had sifted the sim to it's core, I found that some SIMPLE maintenance might be welcome. As far as driving across the US, we stay on roads-Yes
But, for some of us who might offroad in the desert, cars take some wear very quickly. Especially with older model cars. Point is, after you find all there is to find, get all that there is to get, see all, maybe some of us need a bit more to keep going for the 5000Km we're supposed to go, The radio ain't gonna' do it! I'm talking about some really SIMPLE stuff here, I don't think I have OCD or ADD or anything else. And if nothing comes of it, that's fine too. Just suggestions, Ideas.

Fair enough. But extra maintenance isn't my idea of fun. My latest save is something like.. 1800KM or something, in the bus. I too, find myself looking for any motivation to keep going, as I reached a point where I had everything I needed. Full gas, basket full of bacon, spare parts and tires, etc. But I don't see having to wash my bus repeatedly, being that motivator that will make me want to keep driving. I ended up turning off hunger at some point, even though I had the food, because it just didn't really add fun gameplay in my opinion.

Again, before that other guy (that's now blocked) derailed the conversation, I do think it makes sense for dirt to accrue slowly. But my concern is the speed that it accrues. Games with "upkeeps" tend to fall into 2 categories. The games that have upkeeps for realism, and games that have "spam" upkeeps. The former does it for immersion.. the latter does it, because it's easy to code and some players find filling meters/repeating tasks to be fun. The former generally is enjoyed by a larger player base and focuses on other gameplay aspects, while the latter.. has it's fans, but it's definitely more niche.

So it is what it is. I like immersion, and I love TLD for it's simplicity and wacky/sandbox nature. But I don't wanna see it turn into My Summer Car or Don't Starve. If the dirt accrues slow enough that you don't actually have to wash your vehicle that often, maybe depending on where you're taking your vehicle, than I'm fine with that. But if I have to stockpile sponges and wash it daily.. naw lol. I apologize for going off topic in response to 40k guy's elitism.

[Kazeite]

But nobody is proposing to make dirt appear quickly enough to necessitate daily washing.
Oh, hey, while we're at the topic of realism, we could have some rain to take care of washing for you.
Sorted.

[Stringbender]

Yeah, I hate immersion....never mind

[Foxtrekker]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mechanos:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Stringbender:

Chill
I probably didn't make myself clear. One, these are just suggestions. I've played this for over two months now whilst on a work leave and it saved me from going bonkers. However, once I had sifted the sim to it's core, I found that some SIMPLE maintenance might be welcome. As far as driving across the US, we stay on roads-Yes
But, for some of us who might offroad in the desert, cars take some wear very quickly. Especially with older model cars. Point is, after you find all there is to find, get all that there is to get, see all, maybe some of us need a bit more to keep going for the 5000Km we're supposed to go, The radio ain't gonna' do it! I'm talking about some really SIMPLE stuff here, I don't think I have OCD or ADD or anything else. And if nothing comes of it, that's fine too. Just suggestions, Ideas.

Fair enough. But extra maintenance isn't my idea of fun. My latest save is something like.. 1800KM or something, in the bus. I too, find myself looking for any motivation to keep going, as I reached a point where I had everything I needed. Full gas, basket full of bacon, spare parts and tires, etc. But I don't see having to wash my bus repeatedly, being that motivator that will make me want to keep driving. I ended up turning off hunger at some point, even though I had the food, because it just didn't really add fun gameplay in my opinion.

Again, before that other guy (that's now blocked) derailed the conversation, I do think it makes sense for dirt to accrue slowly. But my concern is the speed that it accrues. Games with "upkeeps" tend to fall into 2 categories. The games that have upkeeps for realism, and games that have "spam" upkeeps. The former does it for immersion.. the latter does it, because it's easy to code and some players find filling meters/repeating tasks to be fun. The former generally is enjoyed by a larger player base and focuses on other gameplay aspects, while the latter.. has it's fans, but it's definitely more niche.

So it is what it is. I like immersion, and I love TLD for it's simplicity and wacky/sandbox nature. But I don't wanna see it turn into My Summer Car or Don't Starve. If the dirt accrues slow enough that you don't actually have to wash your vehicle that often, maybe depending on where you're taking your vehicle, than I'm fine with that. But if I have to stockpile sponges and wash it daily.. naw lol. I apologize for going off topic in response to 40k guy's elitism.

Imagine joining a thread to tear down someone's good idea and then whining when everyone else likes the idea. Clueless.