Card Balance: Share your build!

[Nives]

Hi, everybody!

We've been discussing the balance of several cards more closely this week, and want to ask for your opinion on mechanics you think are currently making the game uninteresting.

Do you have a favorite build that would be perfect, but is too costly in mana right now, or cards that you like in description, but can't play without specific combinations? Tell us! :)

Current Discussion

• Discard is powerful, could use better distribution among smaller cards
  
• Burn decks take long to setup, currently lack satisfying finisher cards
  
• Building large decks makes harder to recover, discourages variety
  
• Collecting mandatory overpowered cards limits diversity in builds
  
• Choice in interaction with the Ash deck, to target specific cards
  
• Lifesteal is not suited for Pyrobomb or long-setup archetypes

[Nives]

Originally posted by incendia:

So at this point its not so much to discuss the power level of any given card but this particular run was just humorous to me.

The potency of reduces to ashes without having to rely on the other discard synergy.
https://imgur.com/xbaJ8Rw

And the final boss without playing a single card.
https://imgur.com/FUpnQW9

I've seen accusations of taking it too far with decks 41 scrolls deep, but this - sheer madness :D

Thank you for the ammo for the discard debate, btw in a few days we'll have major deck news ;)

[incendia]

Originally posted by Nives:

btw in a few days we'll have major deck news ;)

Can't wait!

[Ithuriel]

Huh, I'd actually dismissed the discard build as weak without trying it, assuming that it would be important for me to be conservative and be able to (mostly?) renew my deck while out fighting. As a result my deck is only 18 cards counting the starting ones. I did end up with a rather amusing interaction- I have the Black Grimoire as well as Phoenix Feather. This leads to me literally never having to cast the free strain(20) spell you get to renew your deck.

Also, one other thing- Power of the Burn is effectively worthless in my opinion. You have absolutely no way to reliably burn yourself or determine how often enemies will burn you :\ If it read "per DoT effect on you" I could see that being desirable (tbh it'd very likely be broken, I'm just brainstorming).

[Ithuriel]

Also, I feel like there's a lack of support for burn builds, at least to some extent? Perhaps I haven't unlocked sufficient cards, maybe, but as is... I'm running a semi-"burn" build where 2x Pure Fire are essentially the only burns that I ever apply. The only other card I remember seeing/using that burns is Liquid Fire- which isn't half bad, admittedly. But I generally refrain from using it b/c it means I have to wait longer until Pure Fire will refresh the full set of DoTs on a given enemy.

[incendia]

Originally posted by Ithuriel:

Huh, I'd actually dismissed the discard build as weak without trying it,

Also, one other thing- Power of the Burn is effectively worthless in my opinion.

Yeah discard is able to outright win every fight in a single turn, I detailed it in the first reply ito this topic.

The power of burn is indeed below the powercurve in its current form , however I do believe its a very interesting playstyle conceptually if only it had enough support for it, strength is currently a pretty bad stat in general because none of the best damage sources scale with it.

The most viable gameplan for burn currently is to rely on the scrolls that, heal you for each burn, allow burns to crit, and allow crits to apply burns, then you just play the waiting game.
Its functional but not awefully engaging.

[pathfinder]

Originally posted by incendia:

So at this point its not so much to discuss the power level of any given card but this particular run was just humorous to me.

The potency of reduces to ashes without having to rely on the other discard synergy.
https://imgur.com/xbaJ8Rw

And the final boss without playing a single card.
https://imgur.com/FUpnQW9

Reduce to ashes can get hilarious with a full deck of ailments, Also I don't think i've ever died on the final boss. Its far too easy!

[pathfinder]

Hey incendia

Incase you didn't know. Impartial fire works with shield :)

[Nives]

Originally posted by pathfinder:

Hey incendia

Incase you didn't know. Impartial fire works with shield :)

Now that's a surprise, I bet for incendia too :D

[pathfinder]

Easily the strongest build i've found so far ( border line broken) One shot every single fight. Didn't take much setup either.

[Nives]

Originally posted by pathfinder:

Easily the strongest build i've found so far ( border line broken) One shot every single fight. Didn't take much setup either.

We'll have a few more builds to discuss, let's say Thursday-ish ;)

[pathfinder]

Originally posted by Nives:

Originally posted by pathfinder:

Easily the strongest build i've found so far ( border line broken) One shot every single fight. Didn't take much setup either.

We'll have a few more builds to discuss, let's say Thursday-ish ;)

Ooooooo Nice. Thanks for the info

[pathfinder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKZVgs2u9rk

lol

[incendia]

Originally posted by pathfinder:

lol

Not AoE damage so its totally balanced ./sarcasm
Wish I would have thought of that though haha.

Originally posted by Nives:

We'll have a few more builds to discuss, let's say Thursday-ish ;)

That soon? exciting!

[Nives]

Originally posted by pathfinder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKZVgs2u9rk

lol

Now this is just plain silly xD

There will be time until a new patch.

If I wanted to "test" this, I would now.

[Occultist]

- I really like the idea of burn decks , but their sustain feels lackluster. Scroll of Purification and Scroll of Fiery soul just don't do enough, I'm afraid. Yet having both "Scroll of Fiery soul" and "Scroll of Ignition" is a necessity, so if you didn't find them intime it is game over in the most cases.

Additionally, the cost of the finisher card "Incineration" is too high (10), it is almost impossible to use it against strong single enemy.

Give us some more options to apply burns. Especially to a single target.

- In discard decks you just use lesser sacrifice and enjoy over 9999 damage and heals. You don't have to "build up" burns or else, you just find this card and shoot. Also "sacrificial chalice fragile" talent is basicly free damage and sustain with certain ash cards. Unlike burn ash cards I've mentioned above, "Scroll of Incineration" and "Scroll of energy" are not epic or even rare . The only complaint for discard decks is questionable "Ash Sphere" card.

- As for strain , I really like the idea, but I feel like there are no good talents to play around. "Take 30% less damage from strain" is just a joke and can actually LOWER your damage. Change it to be a bit closer to "Burn for Me" card, like "you take 50% less damage from strain and half of the strain damage is distributed between random enemies". Also, you need a considerable amount of sustain early and it is VERY rng-dependant.


P.S. I also never even tried black grimoir. Too much stuff to do. 5-card requirement is too much for me, considering how desperately you need cards early game. Also considering difficulty jump between first and second chapters. Atleast on Martyr. And it is not the only requirement...