Sinergy Guidance

[corew68]

Just unlocked Sinergy. Only 35 Baby demons available

I just decided to put all of them in the 1st row, but unsure if useful... An hour or so gave me a 20% bonus to Off/Deff, so guess is fine... but ... I cant go on with the other Town stuff... so

when should I change my baby demons to sinergy?

[corew68]

Just some data. Ideal Baby Demons amount required to farm. Will try to explain

Dunno how to put these better

Area Max Bds Potion 86% Max Bds w POTION 86% Relative Energy Output Cost XP
I1 870 466,78 52% 1000
I2 1740 933,5 79% 2000
I3 3045 1633,7 90% 3500
I4 4785 2567,2 95% 5500
I5 3480 3734,2 98% 8000
I6 4785 5134,5 100% 11000
I7 4350 3500,8 98% 15000
II1 1740 933,56 52% 2000
II2 3480 1867,1 79% 4000
II3 3045 3267,4 90% 7000
II4 4785 5134,5 95% 11000
II5 4640 3734,2 98% 16000
II6 4785 5134,5 100% 22000
II7 5106 4995,0 16% 181920
III1 4350 2333,9 52% 5000
III2 4350 4667,8 79% 10000
III3 5075 4084,3 90% 17500
III4 4872 4356,6 94% 28000
III5 5126 4864,9 29% 135490
III6 5155 5043,4 15% 367360
III7 5194 5147,7 11% 650670

These are the maximum BDs required (without / with the potion) to reach 1 tick maxspeed if posible (else in 2,3 or more ticks)


With 5194 BDs

[muljostpho]

The entire time I've had access to the synergy tab, somehow no matter what explanations I've read through I've never really been able to wrap my head around all the exact details of the mechanics or the reasoning for how any kind of optimum result can be calculated for it...

But then the optimum that I've desired to reach in those few times that I've considered actually calculating something instead of just doing whatever I want is to have the best spread of however many baby demons out between all of the synergy lines at the same time. And it seems that the optimum desired by other players is more about dumping everything you've got into one specific line and getting just that one line alone to be efficient?

For my own purposes, what I ended up throwing together in a sheet on my PC takes in all the amounts of progress needed for each bar fill as inputs and turns those into ratios to use to divide the work equally between all of the lines. (The hope / intention being that all lines ought to fill at the same speed, or close enough to the same ballpark. I don't really know how well I pulled it off, though. I just don't feel like being too picky about the results and so I just go with "meh, it should be good enough".)

Right now I've got I1-I6 all at their minimums, I7 at 50470 progress per bar, II1-5 all at their minimums, II6 at 59740, II7 at 207590, III1-4 all at their minimums, III5 at 190600, III6 at 405430, and III7 at 665020. With those values and my current cap of 3942 baby demons my sheet comes up with a spread of...

	I	II	III
1st	2	5	12
2nd	5	9	23
3rd	8	16	40
4th	13	25	65
5th	18	37	439
6th	25	138	934
7th	116	478	1533

(I used https://www.teamopolis.com/tools/bbcode-table-generator.aspx to generate the code to format the table.)

At times when I haven't used my sheet to come up with numbers like that (and when the actual synergy tab is just for light and passive whatever growth while the real emphasis with most of my baby demons is in baby demon plaza stuff) I've just thrown whatever around by picking the top line of each to be roughly proportional to each other (1, 2, and 5 babies for example) or weighted slightly to emphasize tan over cos and cos over sin (1, 3, and 8 babies for example) and then the rest of the lines just increment from those values by whatever arbitrary step sizes I feel like using (usually each next line on sin takes +1 baby compared to the line above it, each next on cos is +2, and each next on tan is something like +3 or +4). Zero attempt for any kind of optimization being done, obviously.

[corew68]

Yeah... Max BDs to invest are only important when you just focus into 1 or 2 skills.

I just decided most skills are not so useful, even costing 1/Nth others, so I raise most somewhat slowly. For example... Whats the use of investing BDs nonstop into mana cap rate? Got 7500 mana cap to 500e198 mana. ARGH still in the e159 range...

When i decide to go for "Perks", then i focus active 5 Demonist (main or secondary for some rush, animist) ALL of the time for a week, focus for perks in dump bump... all BDs into perks until tick maxed, surplus go to farming Demon Essence + Sin Energy

This I do usually to try reach the minimum Cap the last ones you need to focus heavily into "Sinergy XP", so all adventure items, main machinist, and potions if you can invest some souls. There are my BDs most of the time when focusing into sinergy. Only 5 BDs stay in town ( juice ) Maxed Conjuring this way 15.000 a few days ago

Otherwise usually just focus all my BDs into the broad useful ones (generator, dungeon, conjuring...).

So... When i reach a certain very high "Sinergy XP" per tick (currently for me this is something like 60e33), I just do a few minuts (cooking generator to get nearly a x4 XP value) each skill up to this limit, then move to the next one.

So all my skills are now staying at that point, exceptions are now in the 2e36-30e36 range