Less Woke Characters Please

[High Voltage]

It's not historical or realistic and a real immersion killer , can we please keep to realism and authenticity?

At a least let us have a gender select option so everyone has the choice.

[Orbister]

I was wondering why there are two female characters dressed as male, I'm sure we can find lots of examples of real brave women in history that they could add, and no, I'm not talking about Mulan or Joan of Arc. Adding female characters in male clothing is a wasted opportunity to highligth real historic examples of brave women and how they really fought. If they were discriminated and couldn't have formal combat training I'm sure they had to learn how to fight in other ways specially considering how dangerous they world was (and is) to them. And they also look ridiculous in a game that has this air of "realism" about it.

[mom said its my turn]

Orbister původně napsal:

I was wondering why there are two female characters dressed as male, I'm sure we can find lots of examples of real brave women in history that they could add, and no, I'm not talking about Mulan or Joan of Arc. Adding female characters in male clothing is a wasted opportunity to highligth real historic examples of brave women and how they really fought. If they were discriminated and couldn't have formal combat training I'm sure they had to learn how to fight in other ways specially considering how dangerous they world was (and is) to them. And they also look ridiculous in a game that has this air of "realism" about it.

They should wear tight corsets and poison their enemies’ food instead of fighting in this fighting game

[Someguyinhere]

There's enough historical denial and insecurity in this thread to fill a 4chan board.

[NiNas in Pyjamas]

mom said its my turn původně napsal:

Orbister původně napsal:

I was wondering why there are two female characters dressed as male, I'm sure we can find lots of examples of real brave women in history that they could add, and no, I'm not talking about Mulan or Joan of Arc. Adding female characters in male clothing is a wasted opportunity to highligth real historic examples of brave women and how they really fought. If they were discriminated and couldn't have formal combat training I'm sure they had to learn how to fight in other ways specially considering how dangerous they world was (and is) to them. And they also look ridiculous in a game that has this air of "realism" about it.

They should wear tight corsets and poison their enemies’ food instead of fighting in this fighting game

Ok the one about poison was fun ahah. Particularly easy to poison Gideon's (or whatever the name is) spirit

[Skree]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_ancient_warfare

Game. Set. Match.

I hate woke stuff, but there is nothing woke in admitting that some women were powerful, strong, and capable fighters and leaders.

It's people as idiotic as you all that say "no women in realistic fighting game!!!111oneone!!1" that really help the woke mob with their shenanigans.

Honor and truth is the only decent way to live, and that women fought with arms and in battle i simply the truth. Denying it describes the perpetrator of such a lie as an insecure manchild.

[𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀]

Skree původně napsal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_ancient_warfare

Game. Set. Match.

I hate woke stuff, but there is nothing woke in admitting that some women were powerful, strong, and capable fighters and leaders.

It's people as idiotic as you all that say "no women in realistic fighting game!!!111oneone!!1" that really help the woke mob with their shenanigans.

Honor and truth is the only decent way to live, and that women fought with arms and in battle i simply the truth. Denying it describes the perpetrator of such a lie as an insecure manchild.

Ha! That is a terrible source for you to use (no, I don't mean because it is wikipedia). There are saboteurs in there, escapees (not powerful strong capable fighters), Sun Tzu's trained prostitute band, which were not strong or powerful, they were pampered women that turned obedient because the head prostitute was executed by Sun Tzu to show he meant business and to ensure they followed basic military orders.

So many of these are a real stretch to at all accord with your claims of them being powerful fighters. There are leaders though, but it's just a handful of examples across some centuries.

Take Youtab, the Persian noblewoman, 4th century BC. Tries to fight Alexander the Great's men in hand-to-hand combat. Dies.

Clearly, she was so strong and capable.

Check your sources before you throw them in. This is a catch-all list to try and claim women were active in warfare, but some of these are not even combatants, and others just got killed upon entering hand-to-hand combat.

[𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀]

"102/101 BCE – General Marius of the Romans fought the Teutonic Cimbrians. Cimbrian women accompanied their men into war, created a line in battle with their wagons and fought with poles and lances,[140] as well as staves, stones, and swords.[141] When the Cimbrian women saw that defeat was imminent, they killed their children and committed suicide rather than be taken as captives."

The women go to war against the Romans, realise they are losing, kill themselves.

Now that's strong.

"4th–6th century: Possible time period that the legendary woman warrior Hua Mulan may have lived."

The legend of Mulan is here. Sweet.

"186 BCE – Chiomara, a Galatian princess, was captured in a battle between Rome and the Galatians and was raped by a centurion. After a reversal she ordered him killed by her companions, and she had him beheaded after he was dead. She then delivered his head to her husband."

Captured, raped, gets someone else to kill her rapist. I want to say stunning and brave, but yet again it's a woman on the list that wasn't a capable fighter.

"4th century BCE – Pythagorean philosopher, Timycha, was captured by Sicilian soldiers during a battle. She and her husband were the only survivors. She is admired for her defiance after capture, because while being questioned by the Sicilian tyrant, she bit off her tongue and spat it at his feet"

That's pretty hardcore, but again, not a warrior at all, yet included on the list of women in ancient warfare.

The bodyguard prostitute entries were hilarious. I'm sure they were capable of taking two men at once.

[Nortalf]

In 1830 one of the liders of Polish antirussian uprising was Emilia Plater. As a woman she was not allowed to the take part in committee meetings so she mobilised troops on her own. She and her friend Maria Pruszyńska mobilised 280 shooters, few hundred peasants with scythes and 60 cavalry man.

[High Voltage]

𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀ původně napsal:

"102/101 BCE – General Marius of the Romans fought the Teutonic Cimbrians. Cimbrian women accompanied their men into war, created a line in battle with their wagons and fought with poles and lances,[140] as well as staves, stones, and swords.[141] When the Cimbrian women saw that defeat was imminent, they killed their children and committed suicide rather than be taken as captives."

The women go to war against the Romans, realise they are losing, kill themselves.

Now that's strong.

"4th–6th century: Possible time period that the legendary woman warrior Hua Mulan may have lived."

The legend of Mulan is here. Sweet.

"186 BCE – Chiomara, a Galatian princess, was captured in a battle between Rome and the Galatians and was raped by a centurion. After a reversal she ordered him killed by her companions, and she had him beheaded after he was dead. She then delivered his head to her husband."

Captured, raped, gets someone else to kill her rapist. I want to say stunning and brave, but yet again it's a woman on the list that wasn't a capable fighter.

"4th century BCE – Pythagorean philosopher, Timycha, was captured by Sicilian soldiers during a battle. She and her husband were the only survivors. She is admired for her defiance after capture, because while being questioned by the Sicilian tyrant, she bit off her tongue and spat it at his feet"

That's pretty hardcore, but again, not a warrior at all, yet included on the list of women in ancient warfare.

The bodyguard prostitute entries were hilarious. I'm sure they were capable of taking two men at once.

Game. Set. Match.

[Skree]

𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀ původně napsal:

"102/101 BCE – General Marius of the Romans fought the Teutonic Cimbrians. Cimbrian women accompanied their men into war, created a line in battle with their wagons and fought with poles and lances,[140] as well as staves, stones, and swords.[141] When the Cimbrian women saw that defeat was imminent, they killed their children and committed suicide rather than be taken as captives."

The women go to war against the Romans, realise they are losing, kill themselves.

Now that's strong.

"4th–6th century: Possible time period that the legendary woman warrior Hua Mulan may have lived."

The legend of Mulan is here. Sweet.

"186 BCE – Chiomara, a Galatian princess, was captured in a battle between Rome and the Galatians and was raped by a centurion. After a reversal she ordered him killed by her companions, and she had him beheaded after he was dead. She then delivered his head to her husband."

Captured, raped, gets someone else to kill her rapist. I want to say stunning and brave, but yet again it's a woman on the list that wasn't a capable fighter.

"4th century BCE – Pythagorean philosopher, Timycha, was captured by Sicilian soldiers during a battle. She and her husband were the only survivors. She is admired for her defiance after capture, because while being questioned by the Sicilian tyrant, she bit off her tongue and spat it at his feet"

That's pretty hardcore, but again, not a warrior at all, yet included on the list of women in ancient warfare.

The bodyguard prostitute entries were hilarious. I'm sure they were capable of taking two men at once.

So what you want to do is nitpick the entries? Well. Ok.

4th century BCE – Cynane, a half-sister to Alexander the Great, accompanied her father on a military campaign and killed an Illyrian leader named Caeria in hand-to-hand combat, and defeated the Illyrian army.

13th century BCE – Lady Fu Hao consort of the Chinese emperor Wu Ding, led 3,000 men into battle[6] during the Shang Dynasty. Fu Hao had entered the royal household by marriage and took advantage of the semi-matriarchal slave society to rise through the ranks.[7] Fu Hao is known to modern scholars mainly from inscriptions on Shang Dynasty oracle bone artifacts unearthed at Yinxu.[8] In these inscriptions she is shown to have led numerous military campaigns. The Tu fought against the Shang for generations until they finally were defeated by Fu Hao in a single decisive battle. Further campaigns against the neighbouring Yi, Qiang, and Ba followed, the latter is particularly remembered as the earliest recorded large scale ambush in Chinese history. With up to 13,000 troops and the important generals Zhi and Hou Gao serving under her, she was the most powerful military leader of her time.[9] This highly unusual status is confirmed by the many weapons, including great battle-axes, unearthed from her tomb.

339 BCE – Mania became of satrap Dardanus.[83] Polyaenus described her as going into battle riding in a chariot, and as being such an excellent general that she was never defeated.

335 BCE – Timoclea, after being raped by one of Alexander the Great's soldiers during his attack on Thebes, pushed her rapist down a well and killed him. Alexander was so impressed with her cunning in luring him to the well that he ordered her to be released and that she not be punished for killing his soldier.

Late 2nd century BCE[132] – Amage, a Sarmatian queen, attacked a Scythian prince who was making incursions onto her protectorates. She rode to Scythia with 120 warriors, where she killed his guards, his friends, his family, and ultimately, killed the prince himself. She allowed his son to live on the condition that he obey her.

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Now bear in mind. I am not saying they were common. Nor i am saying it was even normal. But saying it is "unrealistic" is wrong, plain and simple, by factual evidence.

There are other topics where one could argue that females were given undue recognition. There's a movie about a balloon pilot on prime video where the female character saves everyone on the air balloon by climbing on the balloon itself to release air and doing other eroic stuff.... too bad in the real world that character was male, they simply chose to use a female to convey a message.

I *think* it's far better to try and be fair. A couple of female fencers that are capable of beating the crap out of male fighters is entirely in the realm of what is possible, more or less like gina carano could beat the crap out of me, most surely, and i will leave to the honesty of others to realize if they too would meet the same fate or not.

[Skree]

Nina, Humanity's Companion původně napsal:

I seriously can't believe some of you are still trying.. I would just let this topic die already

It's jut the hope that they will see reason. Even if only one of them.

[Starwight/ttv]

Skree původně napsal:

Nina, Humanity's Companion původně napsal:

I seriously can't believe some of you are still trying.. I would just let this topic die already

It's jut the hope that they will see reason. Even if only one of them.

Right? Surely someone can't ignore facts literally slapping them in the face.