Dragonplate should be better than Daedric
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Relix Nov 4, 2013 @ 2:59pm 
How does this effect reinforcement values? Vanilla dragonplate gives more defense at legendary than daedric does.
Renegade 20:16 Oct 5, 2013 @ 8:22pm 
they probably made deadric better just because its harder to make their armor or harder to find
zjackson153 Aug 3, 2013 @ 5:21pm 
Dragons are aedra. Deadra are... well, daedra. Both groups are immortal and very powerful, and mortals have taken to exploiting both groups' internal organs for art projects. lol

In dragon arms and armor, the remains are more directly used as the base material for doing the job.
In daedric arms and armor, ebony is the base material, and the exploited organ is a heart melted in.

Deadra hearts seem more "magical," so perhaps they could yield stronger enchantments and magic resistance in exchange for being second to dragon armor for physical damage?
Ringo Starr Jun 29, 2013 @ 12:33am 
thanks man i never got why deadric was stronger than dragon and i nver liked the evil look of deadic(i like being on the vigil of stendars good side to)
Mr. Noobert Jun 14, 2013 @ 10:56am 
I never got why Daedric was better than Dragonbone, Dragonbone needs level 100 in smithing, while Daedric is 90... just doesn't make sense. Its maybe because with Dawnguard you could make Dragonbone weapons, which are OBVIOUSLY stronger then Daedric. Other people do have a point where Daedra/Dremora are pretty rare.
Jim Tonic May 29, 2013 @ 4:19pm 
totally agree with mjlarson1. Bullheaded Pro-Lore seems like fundamentalism to me.
Mr.Pringles Feb 25, 2013 @ 12:30pm 
great mod i always thought it was odd that deadric was stronger
so il be using this mod alot in oblivion would make more sense for deadric too be stronger not skyrim so good thinking :)
CCZKnight Jan 28, 2013 @ 8:09pm 
@mjilarson1 I agree, a better mod would switch the perks, so you can craft Dragon at 90 and Deadric at 100. However, I like to pretend my dragon armor is made from Alduin himself, which would be much more powerful then the lesser Deadra.
mjlarson1 Jan 25, 2013 @ 11:01am 
This is the first Elder Scrolls game I have played, but just looking at the comments on this mod, I would have to disagree with a lot of the points made.

1. Daedric armor is tougher to make. At level 23, I had the mats to make a set of Daedric armor and I had killed 3 dragons and I did not have the required mats to make a set of Dragonplate.

2. Daedra are somehow tougher/rarer. Mages can summon them to do their bidding so they aren't exactly the toughest in the will, or power, departments. Given you can't get Daedra Hearts from summoned ones, but I encountered enough lower level Dremora and they weren't that tough to kill to get Hearts fairly easily.

3. It goes against lore. That one leaves me in a quandry. The Dragon armor is weaker and lighter, while the Dragon weapons are stronger and heavier. There seems to be a contradiction here. I don't buy the heavier is stronger argument either. If that was the case, then Dwarven armor should be stronger than Dragonplate.
mjlarson1 Jan 25, 2013 @ 11:00am 
It's not just the strength of the dragon bones and scales that give the armor/weapons their power. It is also the inherent magic and power of the dragon they were taken from, much like Daedric items take power from the hearts of creatures from Oblivion. I would find the sets to be roughly equivalent in power, and I agree with the smithing perks the way they are. It would be tougher to make armor and weapons incorporating scales and bones than those of metal, including Daedric.

Characters are dragonborn in Skyrim, so I think that dragon armors/weapons would be more powerful than Daedric when worn/used by them. I think the dragonborn would be able to draw out more power from the dragon materials than a normal person. So for normal people, Daedric items might be more powerful, but for a dragonborn, dragon items would be more so. In fact, I would like to see the dragonborn be able to give dragon armor/weapons even greater power by infusing the item with a dragon soul.
Mr Dilly Jan 6, 2013 @ 10:48am 
Dragonscales are better the glass but dragonbone is not better then dadric. Dosent make sence. Great mod
executor.exe Nov 29, 2012 @ 12:09am 
This not only breaks lore, but dragon is indirectly better because it's lighter and easier to make.
persadies Oct 23, 2012 @ 8:03am 
mod is ok, I will not use it but I can see why some would. would it not have been better to just change their possiotions on the smithing skill tree making dragon 90 and daedric 100. I'm have no moding skills so It may be that this is not as easy as it sounds but I always thought it should be that way.
Kardiac Rebellion Oct 17, 2012 @ 2:48am 
I love simple mods like this. When I played my first smith character I questioned why the easier to forge Daedric Armor was stronger than Dragonbone. Just on gameplay alone, armor made from the scales and hide of your fiercest opponents requiring a Master Smith to forge, should probably be better than enchanted demon ebony. Plus, after his quest, Mehrunes shrine will infinity respawn a four Daedra every day or so you can return to to harvest Daedra Hearts. One of the guys at the college always has a couple on him to sell, as well. Continuing on, Ebony is also fairly easy to collect at higher levels. Hoping for random dragon spawns to drop enough bones or scales is by far more difficult in the late game, unless the player never sells any througout the early game.
edforfun9919 Oct 12, 2012 @ 4:48pm 
I completly agree with ltmattmoo
LtMattmoo  [author] Oct 12, 2012 @ 5:03am 
That last comment seemed to be increasingly targetted at me in particular so I'll drop in again and repeat; I noticed demand for a simple mod that did this, and only this, and decided to provide it. I don't actually use DSBBTD, as I am pro-lore.

I know Daedric armour has reasons, game mechanics and lore-wise, for being superior to Dragonbone. You don't need to argue this to me, because I agree. But back when I made this small mod I was spotting the odd comment or discussion requesting that the armour values for Daedric and Dragonbone be switched.

Even though I wasn't going to use it, I knew something that simple wouldn't take much time. In fact, the image shown above took longer to construct than the mod itself. So I delivered.

If, like me, you are not among the minority that prefer the armours this way round, there's no need to go around preeching against this mod - just don't use it.

No matter, thanks for all your feedback.
Dr.Pator Oct 9, 2012 @ 7:59pm 
Well in terms of balance in gameplay, Daedric armors are made with rare materials. In Skyrim you more often bump on Dragons than you do Daedras, which makes collecting materials kinda difficult for the daedric set. I think I found less than 15 Daedra hearts in my first playthroughs on PS3.

It would be more reasonable -but more time consuming for you/any other modder- to rather add one heavy and light set of dragon armor, like "Ancient dragon armor" for example, and make them tougher than daedric. That's just one way of doing it. The other would be to change the rarity of daedra hearts and their source/s so that it surpasses the encounter with dragons, and keep the stat modification you did there.

Or you could just not give a darn and have it your way, it's your mod after all.
Tuprewm Oct 3, 2012 @ 8:56pm 
Those who have heard of skyrim lore, Daedric armor is the equivalent, of, say... Demons armor.... Basically, better than anything in the real world... Has anyone ever seen a daedra?
Walrus Oct 2, 2012 @ 11:55am 
I don't think dragonplate is supposed to be the best Heavy armour. I think that it's just supposed to be a good armor for followers. That way people who focus on Light armour can upgrade heavy armor for their followers late game. And people who focus on Heavy armour can upgrade Light Armour for their followers. Anybody agree?
Count Margoroth Jul 21, 2012 @ 4:22pm 
*beating* I ment.
Count Margoroth Jul 21, 2012 @ 4:21pm 
How is it, that this... pittyfull armor made by, what... overgrown talking mankeys is beting that immposible to craft, DAEDRIC ARMOR made by IMMORTAL DEMONS who are 100 times stronger and smarter than this animal (humans)!!!!! GO FIGURE DAT SHIT OUT, DUDE!!!!!
Faerillis Jul 15, 2012 @ 3:35pm 
Daedric has always been the strongest because of the influence of the Daedra; they have the power of the gods behind them. Dragons, on the other hand, are Aedra; the servants of the Nine and would no doubt be more powerful. From a mechanical standpoint Daedric should be better, as Daedra Hearts are harder to find, from a lore standpoint Dragonplate should be better than Daedric.
Icetalon92 Jun 27, 2012 @ 3:12pm 
@Jexx: Glass armor was the strongest because there wasn't new content to put above it. Daedric, according to ES Lore, is the strongest armor, at the cost of being the heaviest.
Jexx Jun 24, 2012 @ 5:09pm 
For those saying that Daedric is always the strongest armor in TES games...

Glass armor was always the strongest light armor in TES games, and Bethesda changed that.
nerull360 Jun 10, 2012 @ 5:27am 
1 - For those of you saying this mod is useless, just get the other mod I got to rebalance the armour cap. It's on the nexus, but there are a few options in it. I took the one that raises the cap to 90%, but makes progression slower.

2 - I love me some daedric armour, but if bethesda really wanted to keep the lore that way, they should have just had a separate perk for light and heavy dragonbone, with the heavy one set below daedric on the tree. Having it backwards just leaves most players thinking, wtf?
As it is I still have yet to bother with dragonbone, this mod might change that. Although it will help if I find some good reskins so dragonplate isn't as ugly.
Agriphal Jun 6, 2012 @ 3:18pm 
I liked your mod so much I added it to my permanent collection; http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=72755638 ...to help spread the word of your good work.
bros - Spyke Jun 4, 2012 @ 10:41pm 
I need a confirmation about what I'm about to say, but honestly, it's going to render this *completely* useless. I've heard that the Armor Rate caps at around 600. It means no matter which armor you choose, you'll cap the maximum AR (considering you're using skill perks and/or "over-enchanting" trick).
Icetalon92 May 23, 2012 @ 2:33pm 
Daedric is meant to be the strongest base armor in the game. It's always been that way in all of the Elder Scrolls games.
MacGuffin The Sixth May 12, 2012 @ 4:31am 
not talking about this mod im talking about the skilltree how it uses 100 for dragon and 90 for daedra
MacGuffin The Sixth May 12, 2012 @ 4:30am 
it also makes it more realistic, you have to reforge these thousand yea old bones its gotta be a pain in the ass without them splitting, with daedra you just gotta melt the hearts down and huzaar you got some OP armour there son!
CursePhoenix May 11, 2012 @ 6:39pm 
@Jedsmith yes that IS strange but the thing is that your allowed to make Light and Heavy armors from dragon smithing so heavy users would use Dragon Plate (If Daedric Armor is a pain in the A** just to make) and Light users would go using Dragon Scale armor.
Count Subula May 11, 2012 @ 4:55pm 
I understand the lore and that daedric is always best and such, but I just don't understand why they put dragon as 100 smithing and daedric at 90. It should be switched (subscribed by the way).
CursePhoenix May 11, 2012 @ 4:08pm 
@jay_brighton I know right? Can't believe these people think that dragon should be better than daedric! It's like they haven't even play the other Elder Scrolls Game's because DAEDRIC IS ALWAY'S STRONGER >:l
MacGuffin The Sixth May 11, 2012 @ 3:44pm 
according to elderscrolls lore nothing is stronger than deadra
Agriphal May 8, 2012 @ 4:31am 
I think that Dragons, being the children of Akatosh ought to be stronger than your average Deadra and thus products of such creatures ought to be more powerful. Also Daedra are much easier to kill than Dragons which leads me to think that, if one encounters Daedra at the same rate as Dragons one would find it easier to get the armour. In this case I think the lore is wrong and needs to be reimagined.
mucusSTfriend May 8, 2012 @ 1:38am 
This is lore breaking. I am not giving thumbs down because there shouldn't be censorship in modding. I disapprove it though.
@cursephoenix: not everyone knows lore, casual gamers are cancer in this industry :(
CursePhoenix Apr 30, 2012 @ 3:55pm 
Well this totally screws up the Lore for Skyrim as everyone should know that "Nothing is more STRONGER than DAEDRIC"
wicker Apr 4, 2012 @ 10:28am 
put on nexus
Marcus Fahlen(swe) Mar 19, 2012 @ 12:50am 
no you can get meny daedric heart you can buy them and you can farm then in shrine of mehrunes dagon
tdpryor Mar 12, 2012 @ 1:26pm 
dragonbone cuirass was better than daedric in morrowind
eduardo-z Mar 11, 2012 @ 9:44pm 
Daedric armor is higher because it's not unlimted to make like dragon armour. u can kill 100dragons and make as much dragon armour as u want, but as far as i know, there are only a few quests that end with u getting a daedric heart.
|EUPRP| Top Hat Man Mar 8, 2012 @ 11:47pm 
This mod is very useful. I don't know WHAT Bethesda was thinking when they put on the armor ratings for Dragonplate and Daedric armor sets. Dragon requries a higher Smithing skill, so it should have a higher rating. Thank you so much!
The Dovahneer Mar 8, 2012 @ 10:08pm 
Dragonplate looks crappy
Crimsanotikku Mar 8, 2012 @ 2:01pm 
Well this mod is completely useless. The armor cap for this game is 567, which you can get with Steel Plate without a shield and Dwarven with a shield. Improving Dragonplate without any kind of enchantments or potions puts you well over the armor cap even with just ONE point in Juggernaut and nothing else.
The Creped Crusader Mar 7, 2012 @ 7:22pm 
Oh thank you. I got my smithing to level 100 thinking that dragon armor was worth the effort. Then I saw that I didn't even need to smith those trillions of daggers when stupid questlines were better at getting me worthy equipment. This changed all of that.
dazedshadow72 Mar 7, 2012 @ 3:13pm 
love this mod.. didnt think it was right when deadric was better then dragon plate, just made no sense to me
|| BC || Mercenary Mar 7, 2012 @ 6:32am 
I really like the idea because thats what i was thinking when i was crafting my first dragonbone armor... u know like "wtf- fuck dat shit, its not worth it"
BUT i think someone should add (or you could add as an optional setting) that dragons dont drop so many bones like they do now so you cannot make about 200 sets of dragonbone armor just after u killed some dragons...
Boreas The North Mar 6, 2012 @ 3:35pm 
Is amazing how the simplest mods get the msot attention. If you don't use the mod, or never will, don't comment or rate. There is no need to TELL the modder what to do or to try and "warn" people about the mod. I think Matt has done a wodnerful and useful thing here, and if you don't like it or disagree with it, well CK is free to all.
puddingtacko Mar 6, 2012 @ 6:32am 
alwys i dremed from a mod like this , its best !
Vondred | H A Y D E N Mar 6, 2012 @ 6:06am 
@matt

Thanks for dropping in and stating something. I hope you do release something on the perks.