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Trade-01 Sep 7, 2013 @ 10:42am
Reputation system on forums needed
Have you noticed how more mature and helpful are posters on old Steam forums(which are still running) compared to the new one? That is because there was a reputation system, it encouroged people to write helpful replies and guides, because you know, everyone likes to be popular!

There shouldn't be dislike/downvote button of course, because people will abuse it to hell. But as for likes/upvotes, of course there will some people trying to cheat the system and guess what, most of them are spotted. I don't see the issue here, because the benefits of such system will outweight the potential problems in the long run.

All jump on karma train!
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Jade Sep 7, 2013 @ 11:30am 
I very much doubt that the reputation system is the reason for the old forums being "more mature" or whatever.

Everyone can comment in the Discussions by using their Steam accounts as opposed to having to make a separate forum account on the old forums. This makes it a lot easier for people to post, meaning that we get a lot more spam and other useless posts.
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Trade-01 Sep 7, 2013 @ 11:40am 
Yet, people do care about their reputation, just look at all the badge collectors. While with badges you can buy your prestige, reputation is more valuable. At least in my eyes, I see the guy with high reputation on old forums and I think "Hmm, he is an old timer or a very helpful user, I better listen to what he has to say" instead of dismissing him as just another kid.
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𝕊𝕋𝕌ℝ𝕄-𝕂𝔸𝕋 Sep 7, 2013 @ 11:47am 
I think when it comes to reputation, it is what you do for people that matters more.....than having as many badges and as high a number as you can.....
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Trade-01 Sep 7, 2013 @ 11:56am 
Originally posted by KL Master Dan StormCat:
I think when it comes to reputation, it is what you do for people that matters more.....than having as many badges and as high a number as you can.....
You are hopeless idealist :D Most of the people are selfish and when they are anonymous, you won't even get "Thanks" from them. Reputation system is to make "Thanks" easier. Also if someone made me laugh, I will gladly give him some karma for it.
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2point4 Sep 7, 2013 @ 12:09pm 
Rep didn't work on SPUF. An example of why:

Poster 1: Zinger -or- Youtube link -or- LOL PLUS REP -or- etc.
Poster 2: PLUS REP -or- Thanks for rep. Have some rep in return.

Result: Useless rep system
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Trade-01 Sep 7, 2013 @ 12:16pm 
Originally posted by 2point4:
Rep didn't work on SPUF. An example of why:

Poster 1: Zinger -or- Youtube link -or- LOL PLUS REP -or- etc.
Poster 2: PLUS REP -or- Thanks for rep. Have some rep in return.

Result: Useless rep system

I don't recall such behaviour, you are making this up. Or at least it was not a massive problem. A lot of communities work well with reputation system, for example reddit or gog forums.

If you are a pessimist and don't like the suggestion, you don't need to use reputation system if it comes out! You even set your profile on private, which only tells that you have introverted personality and reputation system wouldn't benefit you anyway.
Last edited by Trade-01; Sep 7, 2013 @ 12:18pm
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2point4 Sep 7, 2013 @ 1:23pm 
So am I making it up or did it actually occur?

Especially now, most of the activity on SPUF happens in OT. As far as what makes a person valuable to the community (reputation), I personally don't believe you can earn an amount of rep that is indicative of your contribution to the community in the off-topic sub. Most of what you see there is not related to gaming or the Steam community at all yet rep is able to be, and is likely where most of it is, earned in that sub.

Thanks for the personality assessment, by the way. I'll take that into consideration and then I'll likely continue living my life. But you're right. Rep is harshly abused on SPUF and so it means nothing at all to me. It benefits nobody aside from those who need some sort of verification that people like them. I have enough self-confidence that I don't need others to tell me they approve of me. I offer my help unconditionally. If my posts help you then I'm satisfied just in that. You don't even have to thank me.

Also, my profile isn't private. You should talk to Valve about that.

I'll leave you with a question: Why is it that you think rep wasn't implemented here on SCUD from day one?
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Zukabazuka Sep 7, 2013 @ 1:31pm 
The rep system was just a meter to see how funny you where, and once you got like way to much people would just rep you because they wanted to see how high you could get it too. There is a dude on the old forum with 34000 rep or something. He just kept getting them when he had over 5000 for no reason.

You don't get rep for helping people, you get rep for being funny.
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Trade-01 Sep 7, 2013 @ 2:13pm 
Originally posted by 2point4:
I'll leave you with a question: Why is it that you think rep wasn't implemented here on SCUD from day one?
Because they decided they could sell it(Trading Cards for Profile Levels = e-peen). Want to be recognized? Better open that wallet!

Originally posted by Zukabazuka:
You don't get rep for helping people, you get rep for being funny.
And what is wrong with that? Everyone likes a funny guy, so he has a good reputation. There should be many ways to earn reputation.

Also maybe reputation isn't the right word here. I prefer karma, just like on reddit :)
Last edited by Trade-01; Sep 7, 2013 @ 2:17pm
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Matt Sep 7, 2013 @ 2:20pm 
They need to add something (not sure what) because I agree there are a lot of low quality to junk posts here.
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Tito Shivan Sep 7, 2013 @ 2:24pm 
Originally posted by KL Master Dan StormCat:
I think when it comes to reputation, it is what you do for people that matters more.....than having as many badges and as high a number as you can.....
Indeed. Let your posts speak for yourself, and don't let shiny badges and numbers blind you.

Originally posted by 2point4:
Rep didn't work on SPUF. An example of why:
And my 2977 Rep points on SPUF are a big proof of that.
Most rep system are born broken and useless.

These forums run fine without any rep.
I'd better have proper search functions... or even post editing tools... >:(


Originally posted by YautjaZealot:
Originally posted by Zukabazuka:
You don't get rep for helping people, you get rep for being funny.
And what is wrong with that? Everyone likes a funny guy, so he has a good reputation. There should be many ways to earn reputation.
Because that gives the wrong kind of feedback. I don't want these forums brim full of jesters fishing for a +Rep e-peen boost.

Again, let your posts speak for you, not a stupid and arbitrarious number.
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Trade-01 Sep 7, 2013 @ 2:34pm 
Originally posted by Tito Shivan:
Because that gives the wrong kind of feedback. I don't want these forums brim full of jesters fishing for a +Rep e-peen boost.

Again, let your posts speak for you, not a stupid and arbitrarious number.
That is your opinion, but your "I don't want" doesn't equal to what majority wants. Reputation systems are proven to be quite popular if done right. Open your eyes and look around you, forums are already full of people who got nothing to say except "The avatar above you bla bla bla" or "please ban russians/latinos/chinese from Dota 2" etc. My point? It cannot get worse, so why not bring reputation system back(with some improvements)? They could always put restrictions just like with Community Market.
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Tito Shivan Sep 7, 2013 @ 3:38pm 
Originally posted by YautjaZealot:
That is your opinion, but your "I don't want" doesn't equal to what majority wants. Reputation systems are proven to be quite popular if done right. Open your eyes and look around you, forums are already full of people who got nothing to say except "The avatar above you bla bla bla" or "please ban russians/latinos/chinese from Dota 2" etc. My point? It cannot get worse, so why not bring reputation system back(with some improvements)? They could always put restrictions just like with Community Market.
It cannot go worse?....
It can go A LONG WAY worse than what we have now.
And reputation systems won't stop all that stuff form happening. It hasn't stopped it on SPUF for YEARS.
Only one thing can keep the forums clean and nice, and it's not a Reputation system.
It's MODERATION. And we already have that.

I've seen my rep on SPUF grow a lot and i can tell you first hand how broken that is as an indicative of 'worth' of an user. (It's almost as broken and worthless as the Steam profile level)
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Ineffable Anathema Sep 7, 2013 @ 3:59pm 
Originally posted by YautjaZealot:

You even set your profile on private, which only tells that you have introverted personality and reputation system wouldn't benefit you anyway.


This is simply gobbledygook. There are many reasons people keep their profiles private, please realize that you have NO idea what any person's personality is based on such a thing. Perhaps they simply don't wish to be bothered by people for trades, gaming events, etc.
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pennarguy Sep 7, 2013 @ 5:51pm 
All I know is that if I want to sort out a problem, of any kind, I found/find the answer a lot easier with SCUF than SCUD.
In general, the guys that had some rep' gave the better detailed answers, to the more technical problems.
It was abused to some extent, as is all aspects of forums, but I like to think that the sensible people used the Reputation system in the way it was intended...when some clever guy sorted out a problem for me, I was grateful and giving a + was my way of saying thank you.
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