Magic: The Gathering - Duels of the Planeswalkers 2013
Shadowcran Feb 11, 2013 @ 4:27pm
bad partners
I'm not referring to getting a new player not familiar with everything yet. These guys will get the hang of it and it's good for us to be patient. This is due to new players=new interest=possible new content.

No, I'm referring to partners who:
1) Play Solitaire- do not help opponents and play as if they're the only one there
2) Insult types. There are some players who do nothing but insult their opponents. I'm embarrassed when I get one of these for a random partner.
3) Arrogant types who badmouth their own partners. They usually like to blame the loss on their partner despite the opponents playing great and the partner not making mistakes.

I get an arrogant partner the most often. They are usually the worst ones to get. If you make a move that goes against their dogma of MTG play, they throw a fit.

I'll give an example: Recently I was playing Monoblack. I had played the 2 opponents before and knew their playstyle and what they depended on. I also knew my deck had a ton of creature removal spells. One of the opponents summoned one of their "bread and butter" creatures early. I cast innocent blood to remove the creature. I knew it was no big deal as my hand had plenty more removal.

My partner said in team chat "OMG" and then quit. In truth, this betrayed a complete lack of knowledge how 2 headed or other decks worked and also lack of knowing your foe..

Another thing deals with instants. If a player casts an instant on their own turns, this isn't the end of the world. In fact, so many stick to the dogma of 'cast an instant only on opponent's turn" to the point they're making huge mistakes. I've been cursed out for casting a thunderstrike on my turn to power up a wee dragonaut.

Another example of how not casting it sooner can be a mistake: Player plays a pump creature, let's say a lilliana's Shade, on their turn, and have zero mana left over after it. Those stuck with the dogma would wait and cast a, let's say electrolyze, on the opponent's turn. What good does that do? the creature will just pump up where that damage doesn't take effect.

What another player should do is continue to play it out, except for playing with those of the insult variety, and then make a mental note not to partner with them again. I also do that if a random partner plays Crosswinds or Mana mastery. Play that one game and then leave. Do Not insult the other player, just leave and find another game.
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JesusLover Feb 12, 2013 @ 4:43am 
Forgive my ignorance, I am still new to MtG, but are Crosswinds and Mana Mastery so bad that you will not partner with someone if they play these decks?

I'm not playing yet, but I would like to start doing multiplayer eventually.
Mallowiest of Onis Feb 12, 2013 @ 4:57am 
Originally posted by JesusLover:
Forgive my ignorance, I am still new to MtG, but are Crosswinds and Mana Mastery so bad that you will not partner with someone if they play these decks?

I'm not playing yet, but I would like to start doing multiplayer eventually.

I'm guessing he's referring to the following: 1) Crosswinds has the Panoptic Mirror + Time Warp combo which gives infinite turns and thus can be considered cheap [I agree but it's not so broken that I'll cry foul]. 2) Mana Mastery nukes everything on the field, even your partner's creatures, in order to buy time to play its own large creatures. It doesn't play well with others.
dh50 Feb 12, 2013 @ 7:11am 
Crosswinds is the most powerful 2HG deck and many people are tired of it. If you haven't played it before, the fact it is overplayed shouldn't deter you from trying it out in 2HG because you normally won't have difficulty finding someone to play with anyway.

I strongly agree with all of the original post except for the Crosswinds/MM part. They aren't decks I like to play in 2HG but I don't mind playing against them and I don't mind a partner that wants to use them.
Shadowcran Feb 12, 2013 @ 8:46am 
don't get me wrong, I'm one of those types that loves all cards from Magic, even the ones that truly stink. Blue is my favorite color to play, except here. For Crosswinds, a lot of decks do not have an artifact destroyer, nor spells to block the inevitable time warp. When the combo is played it is like watching your partner play solitaire.

How would I solve this imbalance? More cards correcting this imbalance.

Mana Mastery is simply not a good partner deck. Oh, there are tons of counters for it, and every deck can conceivably beat it, but the deck itself just makes for a bad 2HG whether you win or lose.
The reason I will not play a second round with a partner using these(except for friends) is the entertainment factor. They are not fun to watch in action, it's as simple as that.
Griever Feb 13, 2013 @ 11:16am 
When I play, it's normally with my partner who always uses golgari, however we normally never lose, aside when we get really land ♥♥♥♥ed lol I play goblins. And crosswinds normally always loses.
Strandly Feb 14, 2013 @ 11:55am 
I started hosting my own 2HG games so I can control who plays. If people play that crosswinds deck, I kick them. I don't care if I win or lose, I'm simply tired of all the stupid lemmings who play that deck.
Shadowcran Feb 14, 2013 @ 12:24pm 
remove the panoptic mirror and it's still a good deck, but not an overpowered one.
Mad_WoodElemental Feb 14, 2013 @ 2:21pm 
I hear ya mate, but so it goes with random partners. Some don't speak a word of english and do whatever they like. No idea what is going on on the board whatsoever. CW and MM with any other deck usually wins the game easily. I recently got so much hate from my partners for playing wierd decks that it's just really disappointing. Some act like there is only one way to play a deck and if you don't play the deck they expect they just bad mouth you and leave most of the time.
But I like trying out decks for fun only, no so concentrated on winning, it is not a tournament after all. Recent builds included CW without mirror and warps, MM without red and AS without blue :D. You try that and just wait for being called noob and so on :D.
Mad_WoodElemental Feb 21, 2013 @ 3:43am 
Dradoh just get over it, we all know it, we all got to live with it. But all these bugs doesn't mean it is not a good game to play. So stop posting your hurt feelings in every thread available.
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