Praxius 3 sept., 2013 @ 7:32am
Is The Dark Brotherhood Quest a Hint?
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So pretty much at the end of the DB quest, you have the mission to finally kill the Emperor which in turn brings back the Brotherhood from its near non-existence to it's former glory.

Let's say you did everything possible in the Questline. You killed the fake Emperor, you killed the head hancho of the Penitus Oculatus in Skyrim ..... and his son, you then kill the real Emperor and compelled by the Emperor to kill the guy who had him killed, who in turn wanted to get a little higher in the ranks of power.

This is a pretty big blow for the Empire at a time it really didn't need. With a civil war going on in Skyrim with a real chance of losing control over the entire area to the Stormcloaks, being already weakened from the Oblivion crisis and a war with the Dominion & being forced to sign a treaty heavily in favour for the Dominion to prevent them from rolling over them.... Let's add up all the worst case scenarios:

• The Dark Brotherhood Kills the Emperor, kills the general of the Penitus Oculatus in Skyrim and kills Amaund Motierre who was a part of the Elder Council.

• Ulfric Stormcloak, with the help of the Dragonborn defeat the Imperials, kills General Tullius, Commander of the Imperial Legion and Military Governor of Skyrim and push the Empire out of Skyrim completely, which has already been demoralized from the death of the Emperor as noted by what a number of Imperial soldiers state when talking to them whom feel nothing but shame for it happening under their watch.

• The love and respect for the Emperor was already going down the toilet since the last of the Septims were no longer in power and there isn't any real hint as to who would be next in line.

• This would no doubt pave the way for the Dominion to finally strike and finish off the Empire once and for all as the Empire is leaderless with no Emperor or General for the Penitus Oculatus or Commander for the Imperial Legion.

As with the Dwemer, the Snow Elves, the Ayleids & others.... Is this all finally pointing towards the end of the Empire itself?

To me, Bethesda sure seems to be gearing for such an end result. Afterall, they never really gave you these options before and no matter what happened in past TES games, it seemed like the Empire would last through it all regardless of what decisions you made. You were never given this amount of choice to make give such a blow to the Empire in any fashion.

Sure, you could avoid the DB quest and wipe out the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim, thus saving the Emperor's life, but that's taking out an entire guild from the game, thus a game style players enjoy, so to not have the DB in the next TES game would upset a lot of players and would be like taking out the mage guild, or thieves guild & have them never return.

It would seem that Bethesda wants you to save the DB and kill the Emperor as more work was put in that aspect of the game than the other way around.

So is all of this hinting that Bethesda is planning to finally make a big shift in the series and have the Empire wiped out in the next game?
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R13-The 2nd Type 3 sept., 2013 @ 7:42am 
Well, considering Oblivion started with the death of the Emperor...

Hopefully the next game starts while the turmoil is still fresh and the Empire is crumbling, that should give pleantly of quests and high profile siutations.
Praxius 3 sept., 2013 @ 7:56am 
Well, considering Oblivion started with the death of the Emperor...

Hopefully the next game starts while the turmoil is still fresh and the Empire is crumbling, that should give pleantly of quests and high profile siutations.

True, but then it is revealed that he had a son to carry on and save the Empire and you go along in the main quest to help save the Empire.

This time around you have the option to directly kill the Emperor, as well as wage war against the Empire.... And there is no known successor to the throne..... Plus with the Dominion at the doorstep and Skyrim pushing on the other side, the hope just isn't there for the Empire compared to Oblivion.
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Major Moolah 3 sept., 2013 @ 9:04am 
Good questions. Hmm. I must confess that after Oblivion I thought that the Empire would decline with Martin Septims sacrifice ending the Septim bloodline. I was wrong. And if you look at Empire history then it has gone some dramatic phases during it's existence.

I think the Empire is like the Roman Empire in more ways than one. Emperors can be geniuses or crazypersons, and they can die just like that, but the system itself is very enduring.

It is clear that the current crisis is a huge one for the Empire so my guess is that if the Thalmor (of whom we actually know little about) makes a big push into the Empire and there is a huge internal crisis too then it is possible that the Empire will split into provinces like feudal systems often do (did?). It is also possible that the next Elder Scrolls will in fact happen after this crisis and the next Hero is helping the next great Emperor put the pieces back together
SinisterSlay 3 sept., 2013 @ 9:11am 
I bet the next Hero will be the one who unifies the lands, throws out the thalmor, and becomes the emperor.
fran25 3 sept., 2013 @ 9:37am 
The Dragonborn!
Major Moolah 3 sept., 2013 @ 9:59am 
SinisterSlay a scris:
I bet the next Hero will be the one who unifies the lands, throws out the thalmor, and becomes the emperor.

It does sound tempting. But the way the Elder Scrolls are built it could lead into unintentional consequences. I mean that in Skyrim you can achieve a lot and when you walk into a village they ask you to kill giant spiders. That is not to slag Bethesda and Elder Scrolls, it is just in the nature of these games. I liked Oblivion, when Martin Septim was in fact the huge VIP and you were just helping him fulfill his destiny
TheSneakyPenguin 3 sept., 2013 @ 10:49am 
HOPEFULLY with TES 6 we'll see some pretty epic battles as it's next gen. I personally think that all of Skyrim is leading up to a war with the Thalmor. I'd love to see city-seiges etc in a civil war questline that is actually GOOD next time. Hopefully this'll be coupled by the combat being improved to make it quicker and with more options (Dodging, parrying, backstabs would be great in TES if you ask me. But then again, I just LOVE Dark Souls' amazing combat.)

And I'd like to go back to being more... Normal. I did love Skyrim, but I don't want to be bullied into being the Dragonborn agian.
pandoradog22 3 sept., 2013 @ 10:59am 
Speshal Ninja a scris:
HOPEFULLY with TES 6 we'll see some pretty epic battles as it's next gen. I personally think that all of Skyrim is leading up to a war with the Thalmor. I'd love to see city-seiges etc in a civil war questline that is actually GOOD next time. Hopefully this'll be coupled by the combat being improved to make it quicker and with more options (Dodging, parrying, backstabs would be great in TES if you ask me. But then again, I just LOVE Dark Souls' amazing combat.)

And I'd like to go back to being more... Normal. I did love Skyrim, but I don't want to be bullied into being the Dragonborn agian.
Well, you're never quite "normal" in any TES game. In Oblivion, the Emperor sees you in a vision, the same vision he sees himself die in. It is revealed to him that you will somehow help to continue his line and save the Empire, so you're kind of like the chosen one. I'm not sure what the story of Morrowind was (I never played it and haven't taken a look at its story yet), but I know in Daggerfall, I think, you were kinda of a chosen one too. I think the player has always been some kind of chosen one in all TES games.
Praxius 3 sept., 2013 @ 7:29pm 
Yeah my characters are always as intended.... in that they have no history beyond the start of each game and is sent there by whatever power is doing the deed.... in Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim I've always played this way.

No memory but the knowledge of the basics of living and defending myself, yet I know I'm there to do something important.... more important than the average joe.

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Back to topic, while yes the Empire has faced some drastic situations that challenged its existence, there was always this feeling that you can save it and bring it back from the brink.

In Oblivion for example, after you close the Oblivion Gates and stop that threat, things seem to be somewhat peaceful and back to normal with other quests to do that are not as much of an impact to the Empire as a whole (or anything else for that matter)

But in Skyrim, even if you do everything you can to make things better for the Empire, you still end up with a not-so happy ending as the Empire is still fragile, the Dominion is still putting the pressure on them, popularity for the current Emperor isn't all that great and it's not like all the Nords are going to simply accept the Empire and start hugging rainbows as soon as the Stormcloaks are defeated..... they still have their worship of Talos being taken away, and having one's religious beliefs stripped away by people outside of your homeland is a bigger factor than defeating a military force trying to defend that belief system.

Even if the Stormcloaks are defeated, the main problems still don't go away.... it's just a band aid on an axe wound as I see it and regardless of whatever side you choose in Skyrim, the Empire is either still in a desperate position, or on the brink of total defeat in almost every aspect.
Brandybuck 3 sept., 2013 @ 10:42pm 
You could look on the death of the emperor as a good thing for the empire. It gets rid of the guy who capitulated to the Aldmeri Dominion. That pissed off more than Skyrim. A change in policy is in order. The structure of the empire stays the same, only the figurehead changes.
Yuurt 3 dec. @ 8:28pm 
Note that all faction quests are canon.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Canon
Brandybuck a scris:
You could look on the death of the emperor as a good thing for the empire. It gets rid of the guy who capitulated to the Aldmeri Dominion. That pissed off more than Skyrim. A change in policy is in order. The structure of the empire stays the same, only the figurehead changes.
I think this is a more logical view. The government seems very bottom-heavy in ES, or maybe we just don't know enough about the Elder Council.
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voehringer_nitron 3 dec. @ 9:29pm 
pandoradog22 a scris:
Well, you're never quite "normal" in any TES game. In Oblivion, the Emperor sees you in a vision, the same vision he sees himself die in. It is revealed to him that you will somehow help to continue his line and save the Empire, so you're kind of like the chosen one. I'm not sure what the story of Morrowind was (I never played it and haven't taken a look at its story yet), but I know in Daggerfall, I think, you were kinda of a chosen one too. I think the player has always been some kind of chosen one in all TES games.

Morrowind is another "chosen one" type plotline. Without getting too spoilery, there's a prophecy that an ancient Dumer war hero will return to unite the Great Houses and Ashlander tribes.
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Dalamite 4 dec. @ 3:20am 
I'm here to give an aditional turn of events: The Dragonborn becomes the next Emperor.
Under the best of circumstances;
-You are an imperial legate, One of the Legion generals considers you a friend
-The Emperor is currently dead
-You have the College of Winterhold, order of Psijic monks, Greybeards/blades, Companions, Thieves' Guild, and the Dark Brotherhood supporting you.
-You are than in all nine holds of skyrim
-You are dragonborn, giving you claim to the same title Talos had in life, 'Stormcrown'.
-You have the ability to bend dragons to your will, and are basically a god in human form, being capable of destroying nearly everything, and possibly have a ton of daedric artifacts in possession, which gives you supports with the Dark elves(Boethiah), Orcs(Malacath), and the general populace(Azura and Meridia).

This means that you might very well be the next in line to become High-King of Skyrim, and if you're the High King of skyrim, you might very well become the emperor too.
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