The Dark Elves in Windhelm

[Mephilel]

The situation with the dark elves in windhelm makes me feel sorrowful for them. Is there a way to help the situation of the dakr elves?

[SpeedFreak1972]

yes reside with the imperials.

[Vitals]

I assassinated Rolff Stone-Fist, I felt that helped. xD

[76561198139790085]

Kill Ulfric Stormcloak, this will help then...

[Mephilel]

I actually ended up making ulfric the high king, so there is no comming back from that right?

[Eludium]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mephilel:

I actually ended up making ulfric the high king, so there is no comming back from that right?

Not really. Unless you have an old save before killing him. But I think there is a console command for that..

[Nerevars Goat Univeron]

Ulfric isn't the problem, he doesn't have anything against the Dark Elves or even the High Elves. Its Galmor and his advisor that are the problem.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

No.
The game doesnt change.
While removing ulfric and other troublesome members of windhelm might make you feel better.
The dark elves situation wont improve.
Best thing for the dark elves is an imperial victory.

[Mephilel]

Then I just made them not being able to be saved forever. Or is there a way to make the imperials comeback?

[The God Emperor of Mankind]

no they wont come back

[gnewna]

Well, their situation won't improve in your game, but I had a Dunmer character who joined the Stormcloaks and my headcanon is that, by gaining Ulfric and Galmar's trust and proving her worth and all that, in the end she was able to convince them to improve the lot of her brother and sister Elves, and to improve relations between the Argonian dock workers and the residents of the city (both Nord and Dunmer). Just, you know, after I finished playing and went on to my next character.

[Delta 1038]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gnewna:

Well, their situation won't improve in your game, but I had a Dunmer character who joined the Stormcloaks and my headcanon is that, by gaining Ulfric and Galmar's trust and proving her worth and all that, in the end she was able to convince them to improve the lot of her brother and sister Elves, and to improve relations between the Argonian dock workers and the residents of the city (both Nord and Dunmer). Just, you know, after I finished playing and went on to my next character.

They'd probably see you as a token member rather than a representation of the Dunmer.

[BelphegorATS]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von A Goat:

Ulfric isn't the problem, he doesn't have anything against the Dark Elves or even the High Elves. Its Galmor and his advisor that are the problem.

There is a grain of truth to what you say, but I very much doubt Ulfric supports the Dunmer in his city. Popular belief against them in Windhelm generally paints the Dunmer as allies of the Aldmeri Dominion and the Thalmor who are in control of that government. Ulfric supposedly tolerates the Dunmer to some degree as he allows them to live within the city walls, but does nothing to help them. The Grey Quarter is practically a ghetto where the Dunmer live in poverty and Nords are allowed to commit crimes against them without having to worry about the law because it's on their side as Windhelm is the Stormcloak capital.

The Argonians fare worse than Dunmer since they aren't allowed to go beyond the city walls and face the same issues as the Dunmer do. Both are heavily discriminated against and it's because Ulfric won't help them. Without serious aid from the ruling party in Windhelm, they won't have any major rights they would usually have in other cities and Holds.

You mentioned that Ulfric doesn't have anything against Altmer, but he actually does since the Thalmor are Altmer who severely cracked down on Talos worship by banning it in the White Gold Concordat and arresting anyone who continued to worship Talos. Ulfric and his brethren were promised a free pass on that by after saving Markarth from the Forsworn. The Thalmor discovered this and forced Jarl Igmund of Markarth to arrest Ulfric and his supporters instead of granting them that free pass. That was how this event became known as the Markarth Incident, and it further increased any abhorrence Ulfric had for Altmer--he did fight in the Great War with the Imperials against the Aldmeri Dominion.

[BelphegorATS]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Delta 1038:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gnewna:

Well, their situation won't improve in your game, but I had a Dunmer character who joined the Stormcloaks and my headcanon is that, by gaining Ulfric and Galmar's trust and proving her worth and all that, in the end she was able to convince them to improve the lot of her brother and sister Elves, and to improve relations between the Argonian dock workers and the residents of the city (both Nord and Dunmer). Just, you know, after I finished playing and went on to my next character.

They'd probably see you as a token member rather than a representation of the Dunmer.

I have to agree with Delta on this because no matter how much one supports a political party against his or her own people, there will always be individuals in the government who will still mistrust that person and use the individual to further their own ends rather than provide support. Regardless of what anyone does in this situation, they'll likely not receive any benefits for their people because they are perceived as tools a government can use, break, and throw away at will. Thus the only way to free one's people from this sort of tyranny would be to aid the opposing side as leaders there would truly support anyone under a despot's reign.

[Nerevars Goat Univeron]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BelphegorATS:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Delta 1038:

They'd probably see you as a token member rather than a representation of the Dunmer.

I have to agree with Delta on this because no matter how much one supports a political party against his or her own people, there will always be individuals in the government who will still mistrust that person and use the individual to further their own ends rather than provide support. Regardless of what anyone does in this situation, they'll likely not receive any benefits for their people because they are perceived as tools a government can use, break, and throw away at will. Thus the only way to free one's people from this sort of tyranny would be to aid the opposing side as leaders there would truly support anyone under a despot's reign.

By the end you've gained Ulfrics trust, something he doesn't take lightly. If you where really a tool to be thrown away, he wouldn't have made you thane or basically his Dragon (TVtropes it if you dont know what I mean). And really, in this system, do you need anything more than the new kings, and arguably his armies (You practically liberated skyrim your self, he offers to let you do the final honors as well), trust?

[Mephilel]

You know, I just realized. We turned this into a philosophical sybolistic representation of segregation and political dysfunction in a game. The game is that deep indeed. huh.