I might be mad, but I prefer this to Dirt.

[Jonny]

Hi all,

I have played a lot of Dirt Rally, and all the old McRae games, and the other WRC's. The only games I liked in the past were the codemasters ones (I found the WRC games awful), but I am really happy with WRC 6! It is FUN with a controller using the external view (I'm not using a wheel), it feels like the WRC (I like the range of countries and how each feels like a different place). To me it feels like the old CMR games; the same kind of handling, which means you can push but also make mistakes. I think the damage model is good - you can mess up stages because of damage, the car models are excellent.

Here is what I think could be improved, and then this would be a very good 'simcade' rally game:

1. Reduce the fog when it is raining/snowing! Or, have it sometimes very foggy, sometimes not. The rain effects are not great, and not nearly as good as Dirt, but if the fog was just a little less, it would be a lot better. Actually, there could be two different environmental conditions; foggy and non foggy (with or without rain). To be fair, the cars look cool in the rain :)
2. Make the AI results more random, and reflect the SS stage (when someone visually beats you it should reflect in the times!).
3. Make the first behind/external camera move in the other direction on jumps. When you jump it moves towards the top of the car (angles upwards) but it would be better if it angles in the other direction.
4. Less cartoon like dirt on the windshield (in cockpit view), and more subtle glass damage (not the big thick lines!).
5. for the future...an animation when changing tyres on a stage :). Linked to this, it might be my driving style, but I am sure I get a lot of burst tyres :)
6 Option to have the damage meter on the corner of the screen. I mean the meter that is visible when paused, particularly the tyre wear gauge.
7. Better pace notes, or at least, better voice acting, especially the weird shout of 'long'.
8. A few more stages, maybe one or additional unique at least for each country ;)

I know everyone likes to say the WRC games are rubbish, but IMHO there is a good core game here, and right now it is a lot of fun and atmospheric.

Oh, one tip, I found the pacenotes much better if moved to 'far ahead' and the main direction setting NOT set to descriptive (make the rest descriptive/advanced). It's not as realistic, but you don't get the inconsistent "left 8...7" stuff and everything over a '6' is described as 'flat'.

[Alma]

You are the reason why Kylotonn Racing Games still doing WRC serie.....

[Jonny]

Originally posted by Alma:

You are the reason why Kylotonn Racing Games still doing WRC serie.....

Haha this is only their second one, and I never bought the first. But, I think, certainly in 'sim racing' sometimes it needs to be reemberd that games are supposed to be fun, not chores.

[Alma]

When i play a rally game, i don't want to have fun...I want sensation, that means simulation, close to reality...It's why i bought a wheel, handbrake and a sequential shifter...I won't play that crap even if they give me for free...
If you want a good rally game (for fun), play dirt 2 or 3 but not that scam made after 8 months....Only 8 months damn it...

[Jonny]

Originally posted by Alma:

When i play a rally game, i don't want to have fun

I'm not sure there is anything anyone can say about that! I apologise for buying a game to have fun. My mistake.

[Jonny]

p.s. I think this video is accurate. he's having fun though, so maybe it's not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApJ5ThPuppM

[Jonny]

P.s. On the subject of simulation stuff in WRC not in Dirt, that makes WRC MORE realistic:
- Course condition depends on your starting position on that stage; run early and course is less rutted.
- Tyre blowouts.
- SS stages in rally (and these can be a decent length), including ones in cities that are very tight and realistic.
- Real WRC locations, that feel unique.
- Tyre wear, depending on chosen compound.
- need to manual use wipers if dirt is covering windshield.

Stuff more realistic in Dirt:
- The physics are not as realistic as dirt. (But, still challenging with a pad).
- Pacenotes.
- Weather (especially rain).
- Replays

Long story short, using a pad this is more enjoyable and challenging - without being frustrating - than dirt.

[Randomheppu]

Originally posted by Jonny:

P.s. On the subject of simulation stuff in WRC not in Dirt, that makes WRC MORE realistic:
- Course condition depends on your starting position on that stage; run early and course is less rutted.
- Tyre blowouts.
- SS stages in rally (and these can be a decent length), including ones in cities that are very tight and realistic.
- Real WRC locations, that feel unique.
- Tyre wear, depending on chosen compound.
- need to manual use wipers if dirt is covering windshield.

Stuff more realistic in Dirt:
- The physics are not as realistic as dirt. (But, still challenging with a pad).
- Pacenotes.
- Weather (especially rain).
- Replays

Long story short, using a pad this is more enjoyable and challenging - without being frustrating - than dirt.

- Physics are better in WRC than DR. Check the crests in corner and you will find what I mean.
- Pace notes for me is better. I am co-driver myself.

Other things I agree and I hate to drive in any other than sunny wheather in WRC6.

If windshield is not getting so dirty at stages it could be more fun to use incar camera. Now I use that one where you see the bonnet. Some call it a roof cam.

[Alma]

Originally posted by Fisu FIN:

Originally posted by Jonny:

P.s. On the subject of simulation stuff in WRC not in Dirt, that makes WRC MORE realistic:
- Course condition depends on your starting position on that stage; run early and course is less rutted.
- Tyre blowouts.
- SS stages in rally (and these can be a decent length), including ones in cities that are very tight and realistic.
- Real WRC locations, that feel unique.
- Tyre wear, depending on chosen compound.
- need to manual use wipers if dirt is covering windshield.

Stuff more realistic in Dirt:
- The physics are not as realistic as dirt. (But, still challenging with a pad).
- Pacenotes.
- Weather (especially rain).
- Replays

Long story short, using a pad this is more enjoyable and challenging - without being frustrating - than dirt.

- Physics are better in WRC than DR. Check the crests in corner and you will find what I mean.
- Pace notes for me is better. I am co-driver myself.

Other things I agree and I hate to drive in any other than sunny wheather in WRC6.

If windshield is not getting so dirty at stages it could be more fun to use incar camera. Now I use that one where you see the bonnet. Some call it a roof cam.

Dude stop writing BS everywhere lmao.......
You made my day

[Randomheppu]

Originally posted by Alma:

Originally posted by Fisu FIN:

- Physics are better in WRC than DR. Check the crests in corner and you will find what I mean.
- Pace notes for me is better. I am co-driver myself.

Other things I agree and I hate to drive in any other than sunny wheather in WRC6.

If windshield is not getting so dirty at stages it could be more fun to use incar camera. Now I use that one where you see the bonnet. Some call it a roof cam.

Dude stop writing BS everywhere lmao.......
You made my day

Dude will you not attack against the person opinions, please. Those are reasons why we have wars all around the world.

[Alma]

Originally posted by Fisu FIN:

Originally posted by Alma:

Dude stop writing BS everywhere lmao.......
You made my day

Dude will you not attack against the person opinions, please. Those are reasons why we have wars all around the world.

OK ! Peace !!!

[Jonny]

Originally posted by Fisu FIN:

- Physics are better in WRC than DR. Check the crests in corner and you will find what I mean.
- Pace notes for me is better. I am co-driver myself.

I don't know enough to know if this is true, but the physics certainly seem more progressive on a pad, in WRC. As i have said, you can 'push' in WRC and I never felt you could in Dirt (on a pad!). Pace notes I find OK in WRC. Realistic or not I don't know, but fine by me! One thing that makes them slightly more realistic than dirt - for WRC style rallies- is the notification of barriers, as the barriers are WRC style from the real WRC.

[SpazAttack]

Originally posted by Jonny:

Originally posted by Alma:

When i play a rally game, i don't want to have fun

I'm not sure there is anything anyone can say about that! I apologise for buying a game to have fun. My mistake.

"When I play a rally game, I don't want to have fun." I can't stop laughing!! Thats the best comment EVER!!

[Jonny]

As for Alma, I don't know what his problem is. I own both Dirt and WRC 6. I understand the appeal of Dirt having had ALL Codemasters rally games since McRae on Playstation. It seems like a decent simulator, but I thought it was too unforgiving when using a pad, and for me that made it more frustrating than enjoyable. Not everyone has the time or space to use a full wheel stick and pedals setup. I am not criticising Dirt, I am saying WRC 6 is a pleasant surprise. Nothing would make me happier than Codies getting the WRC license. But, they haven't, so...

I just think that if people want a decent WRC game (not the same as a general Rally game), then it is worth pointing out that WRC 6 is OK and enjoyable. This might mean the devs a) manage to work on it more to improve it from where it is now b) can demonstrate what is needed to make a good WRC game. This could be a base for an excellent WRC game (which is not the same as a Rally game with hillclimb, rallycross etc).

I think it's a little sad that you seem so angry at what I wrote when a) I am just saying WRC is OK, b) It doesn't stop you enjoying Dirt c) If you don't like WRC you can get a refund and d) WRC is such a cool sport, the best way of having a decent game of it is to try and offer constructive criticism. I have pointed out the flaws (iffy pacenotes voice acting, weird windscreen, inflexible AI times, excessive fog spoiling some weather conditions).

If you don't like the game, fine. But moaning at people who do like it is no help.

I do think PC gamers need to realise games are meant to be fun, and no game will be perfect. If we all get along and try to offer CONSTRUCTIVE criticism Devs may engage and help us help them get the games we want. Rant over :)

[Alma]

Originally posted by SpazAttack:

Originally posted by Jonny:

I'm not sure there is anything anyone can say about that! I apologise for buying a game to have fun. My mistake.

"When I play a rally game, I don't want to have fun." I can't stop laughing!! Thats the best comment EVER!!

How can you laugh if you don't understand that ? Because it looks like...
I typed that because when i play DR, i play for the competition, i play it seriously...
If i want fun, i play "sega rally"
And BTW you know what makes me laugh ? You still buy these awful WRC games and it seems you like that

That's a fact, WRC and SL evo are for noobs..

Mad because frustrated and bad....

[DriftMachine]

Its hard for people like me to enjoy the game when the game does not support my controllers. I have all fanatec gear. Game does not supoport multi usb inputs lie most other games.