So, its new game or what?

[argotha]

Quiestion in the title.

[Dr. Feelgood]

Originally posted by IndigoAK:

Oh. You're one of those people.

Whatever that's supposed to mean ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[comp9]

Consider Titan Quest Anniversary, instead of making people pay for the update they gave it to previous owners (the original supporters) free. I've seen many games on Steam take either route but it seems the backlash that often comes with making people re-pay for essentially the same game in a different shell doesn't seem worthwhile.

Compare Titan Quest Anniversary to say--Level 22 Gary's Misadventures. Level 22 went the other route but eventually changed their mind, by then it didn't make much of a difference.

Understandably, the decision is entirely up to you.

Alternatively, if you offered 80-90% off like Hard Reset Redux did, I wouldn't mind rebuying. "Substantial" sometimes means 50% off--that's not that great of a deal considering it's essentially the same game inside.

[IndigoAK]

It's like you guys don't understand what, "We need to feed our wives, husbands and kids." means.

Chasing Carrots have already explained why they are charging for this update. Their explanation is completely reasonable to anybody with a basic understanding of life in general.

As for THQ Nordic...

THQ Nordic gives away copies of their remasters for two reasons. The first is because they can afford to. They are one of the largest publishers in the world. The second is because they need the good word of mouth to counter the years of terrible press and image they've gained over the years, to keep the customers they've gained since absorbing THQ and hijacking their brand. They don't do it to be nice or out of the goodness of their hearts. It's a marketing tactic. It's a calculation. A poor one since all of their remasters have been poorly supported, technically unsound messes.

[comp9]

I can name other examples of other indie games, not that it would change your mind. What I was trying to point out is, based on other developers (both large and small) that have done this, sometimes the backlash hurts the game financially more than giving out free copies to original supporters would have.

[comp9]

Of course most of us understand what needing to make a living means. I don't know many of age that have no bills or responsibilities, that would be uncommon.

[CheekyChan]

I'm a little bummed that they left Pressure on the store as "decomissioned". And for the annoying fact tha there's no way to complete the badge for the game so I'm left with an un-collectible badge in my account. Don't see why they couldn't have just made it impossible to buy the game but left the cards intact. I'll also say that if the devs would have just come out and been honest from the get go people probably wouldn't be mad. As it is, there's a lot of people in the discussions of the news posts on the original game complaining and asking what's going on and seemingly no answers, a lot of them seem pretty fed up with the silence.

I'm fine with "re-paying" at a discount because yeah, it sucks, some ♥♥♥♥ went down the developers couldn't control, but they don't deserve to go down for it and they were brutally honest with the players. I think they need to make it more public through so people don't have to go hunting down a discussion on an un-released game. Communication is the most important aspect of a good indie business, it's usually why people give indie groups a pass when something happens because they know they're just ordinary people and not a money grubbing company like Activision.

As for THQ Nordic, the few re-releases I know of have been fine. Metro Redux was great, I really enjoyed it, I owned both original games and still had to pay for the re-releases. Same with Dead Island and Riptide. Though I'm much less impressed with Dead Island and feel like a shmuck for buying it. That felt like a complete cash grab. They ruined it more than they fixed it. And they fixed the Red Faction games so that gives them extra face in my book. But I agree with the rest, it's a marketing ploy to look good. It's better to have a good reputation than anything, even if it means losing money but if you can't realistically afford it, what can you do? I think the devs here are doing the best they can with a terrible deck of cards that were handed to them.

[knuddelholic]

Topware? Oh my...I have a pretty good idea what happened to you guys as Topware has a history with a bunch of developers they pulled over the table.
My condolences about those experiences and congratulations that you got the rights to your game back. Good luck with the new version.

[IndigoAK]

Originally posted by comp9:

I can name other examples of other indie games, not that it would change your mind. What I was trying to point out is, based on other developers (both large and small) that have done this, sometimes the backlash hurts the game financially more than giving out free copies to original supporters would have.

Change my mind about what?

Chasing Carrots have explained WHY THEY ARE DOING THIS. At length. Their explanation is reasonable.

You say they are POSSIBLY committing finanicial suicide by charging for this update.

If they don't charge for this update, they ARE committing financial suicide. What would you have them do? Throw away their livelihoods on a marketing gambit? That's insane.

[paulLaw]

The problem with the original Pressure trading cards becoming uncompletable is an unfortunate result of us pulling the original title from the store. At the time we made this decision we weren't aware this would happen. We assumed trading cards would continue to work as expected and all we can do now is to apologize for the inconvenience it has caused you.

As for the Pressure Overdrive discount for players who bought the original game: We don't think 50% would be a substantial discount. It will be more than that. We're just not absolutely sure about the exact figure, yet.
The game will also include the complete soundtrack as a free package for those who enjoyed the music in the original.

[CheekyChan]

Originally posted by pLaw:

The problem with the original Pressure trading cards becoming uncompletable is an unfortunate result of us pulling the original title from the store. At the time we made this decision we weren't aware this would happen. We assumed trading cards would continue to work as expected and all we can do now is to apologize for the inconvenience it has caused you.

As for the Pressure Overdrive discount for players who bought the original game: We don't think 50% would be a substantial discount. It will be more than that. We're just not absolutely sure about the exact figure, yet.
The game will also include the complete soundtrack as a free package for those who enjoyed the music in the original.

I'm not upset over it but I am curious if there's anything you guys could do to reinstate the store page? I know a few games that you can no longer buy but the cards still work. If not, no biggie, I'm just curious if it's actually possible. And no worries, no inconvenience caused, I actually hadn't known about any of this until I realized I couldn't trade the cards from it which made me go snooping.

And is there any way you guys can get back access to the original game's store page? There's a lot of people still asking questions over there. No better way to get support for your new title than giving the ones that already play it a heads up.

[paulLaw]

Originally posted by CheekyChan:

I'm not upset over it but I am curious if there's anything you guys could do to reinstate the store page? I know a few games that you can no longer buy but the cards still work. If not, no biggie, I'm just curious if it's actually possible. And no worries, no inconvenience caused, I actually hadn't known about any of this until I realized I couldn't trade the cards from it which made me go snooping.

And is there any way you guys can get back access to the original game's store page? There's a lot of people still asking questions over there. No better way to get support for your new title than giving the ones that already play it a heads up.

I agree!
I'm afraid, right now it's rather difficult to get the old store page back up. But I'm glad you're sympathetic about this issue :)

Although the store page is inaccessible, we actually still have access to the discussion board and community hub.
We're still keeping an eye on the old communication channels. We absolutely understand the importance of the people who own the original Pressure game.

[CheekyChan]

Originally posted by pLaw:

Originally posted by CheekyChan:

I'm not upset over it but I am curious if there's anything you guys could do to reinstate the store page? I know a few games that you can no longer buy but the cards still work. If not, no biggie, I'm just curious if it's actually possible. And no worries, no inconvenience caused, I actually hadn't known about any of this until I realized I couldn't trade the cards from it which made me go snooping.

And is there any way you guys can get back access to the original game's store page? There's a lot of people still asking questions over there. No better way to get support for your new title than giving the ones that already play it a heads up.

I agree!
I'm afraid, right now it's rather difficult to get the old store page back up. But I'm glad you're sympathetic about this issue :)

Although the store page is inaccessible, we actually still have access to the discussion board and community hub.
We're still keeping an eye on the old communication channels. We absolutely understand the importance of the people who own the original Pressure game.

Yeah no worries, I know how it is. Sometimes there's just things out of your control and you gotta do what you need to to make ends meet.

Oh yeah, I didn't think about that. I didn't even check to see if the Community tab was still available under the original version since most "decomissioned" games revoke the Community portion, I just saw people flooding the last news post.

Is it still possible to push a new news post under the old version? You guys could push one that links to the Overdrive store page to make it easier for previous players to jump on over since I know a lot of Steam users don't actively go around snooping and take everything at face value.

[Mr Cook]

Originally posted by pLaw:

However, we couldn't just re-release the game as it was. We also had to switch to another technological base. The engine and tool suite we used until then has been discontinued which made maintainance impossible let alone releasing on different platforms (namely XBox and Playstation). This is also the main reason why we were unable to maintain Cosmonautica: Problems inside of third party software, the support of which has been ceased by its developer, prevented us from meeting the quality standards you expected from us.
So, we moved to Unity, basically rewrote the whole game and took the opportunity to redesign the game from a gameplay standpoint based on feedback from our players.

Would you mind naming the engine the original Pressure was developed with?

[paulLaw]

Originally posted by Mr Cook:

Would you mind naming the engine the original Pressure was developed with?

We used the Havoc Vision Engine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_(game_engine)
The Wikipedia article seems to be out of date and doesn't state that the middleware isn't under active development/support anymore.

[Mhmmm]

Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood:

*sigh*

Another game that has a Patch I have to pay for.

Let's hope there's a discount for owners of the original.

Good news. Yout don't have to pay for nothing. You don't have to buy this game if you don't want. No one will force you to.