Elephant in the room

[mcqeulinferenzio]

I have been wondering this for months now, and I have seen NO mention of it anywhere, why?
Why is Crossout http://store.steampowered.com/app/386180/ a copy of this game?
Is this some sort of alpha test for Crossout? I mean Clearly Scraps isn’t some copycat of Crossout. A company as big as Gaijin would be all over this with a lawsuit. Next this game came out way before closed alpha on Crossout. Thus this leads me to believe Scraps is some sort of Pre-Alpha Crossout. A Pre-Alpha we paid money for to play but got left out when the real version hit market place. I’d like to have this explained to me because something very fishy and suspicious is going on that seems awfully risky for Gaijin to be conducting.

[Interknet]

'Why is Crossout a copy of this game?'

What? You're literally asking a question when you're calling it a copy at the same time.

And Gaijin already made a post about this on the forums.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/350150/discussions/0/523890681424979053/

[mcqeulinferenzio]

woh wait a secound. Was that link about someone calling Scraps a copy of Crossout? It’s the other way around. Crossout is a copy if not a later stage development of this game. I don’t have to get all Sherlock to draw the comparisons. We are not talking robocraft, twisted metal, Vigilante 8 Similar. Crossout is a reskin of this game with improved dynamics. Everything is the same. The sound effects, the weapon lay outs and types and dynamics. Heck look at the generators in Scraps and Crossout they are literally the exact same skin one is just in HD graphics. Crossout is to Scraps as a PS1 game is to a PS3 game of the same title. Just reskinned and improved. The only major difference is that there is no chassis in Crossout, you build them. Everything else, Power, cab classes, everything is the same. Look at the rams in Crossout and Scraps, it’s the exact same model with a different HD skin.
I just don’t know how this game could have been developed without doing so hand and hand with Crossout. Something is off. I would love to hear from the Creator.

[Nition]

I don't think that guy was actually from Gaijin, he had posts on the War Thunder board asking about features. Would be pretty weird to ask about features in your own game.

Crossout is a LOT like Scraps to the point that I'd be a little surprised if they didn't know about Scraps when making it, but obviously I have no internal knowledge of what they're thinking. They're definitely going after the Robocraft crowd as well.

[mcqeulinferenzio]

Nition thanks for dropping in. I really loved your game, but you got to be frank with me. How can Crossout be SO similar to your game if you are not working alongside of Gaijin? I mean have you played crossout? I’ve worked with people in the videogame industry. I’ve seen how far a game can progress from just making sure dynamics run well to the finished product. Scraps feels exactly like a predecessor to CrossOut One would have to be delusional to ignore. I mean where talking very close. With how the cabs work, how the weapons work, it’s not just another combat game, this is eerily similar.

I mean there is only so many possibilities:

They straight up stole your game

They bought it off you for their own use

You managed to get access to a VERY early iteration and market it as your own (seems not worth the risk and effort)

You have been working with their team since the begging and got permission to launch a test version of the game to see how players responded and how the mechanics worked before more money was put into pushing Crossout into development.

[Curaced]

I'm pretty certain Nition has no relation to them. It is possible that they saw the idea early on and 'borrowed' it, or even that they independently came up with it at around the same time. Probably the former, though

[mcqeulinferenzio]

But if they were going to "borrow" why not change models, why make the rams the same, why make the gen sets all identical? You’d think they’d want to cover their tracks not just go 1 for 1 or be so blatant unless Scraps itself evolved into crossout. If I was a game developer, and I had a good thing I wouldn’t start from scratch I’d just modify what I had to save time and energy which is what it looks like here.

[Nition]

I haven't actually played Crossout but I've seen some videos etc. To be clear I have no relation to Gaijin or Crossout. Gaijin Entertainment is a big studio in Russia, I'm just some random guy in New Zealand.

Yes Scraps came way before Crossout did so they may well have taken some "inspiration". If it's as blatant as you say it is then that's a bit of a ♥♥♥♥ move, I didn't realise it was quite that similar.

[ChildishCorbin0]

crossout sucks, do some research next time please.

[RichyN25]

I doubt they took any inspiration from Scraps for Crossout, because Crossout is based upon an old game called Hard Truck Apocalypse : Ex Machina, made by the same studio that made HTA:EM (Targem Games) and Gaijin is helping them

[Judgemental Tree]

This whole thread is just another example of people seeing conspiracies everywhere they look. Even if game companies were willing to put this much effort into decieving gamers (which they are not), there would be no benefit to putting out a "pre-alpha" because no one would be willing to buy the "real" version once it came out, since they already had a similar game.

[Fidel]

Does this mean every zombie survival game is actually a copy of whichever game came first?

[Interknet]

Originally posted by Fidel:

Does this mean every zombie survival game is actually a copy of whichever game came first?

Well everyone says a game copied another game.
Who knew that someone could make a game, and own the rights to a genre in the way that making a game with the same genre would be a copy.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ People

[Hangman]

Originally posted by Nition:

I haven't actually played Crossout but I've seen some videos etc. To be clear I have no relation to Gaijin or Crossout. Gaijin Entertainment is a big studio in Russia, I'm just some random guy in New Zealand.

Yes Scraps came way before Crossout did so they may well have taken some "inspiration". If it's as blatant as you say it is then that's a bit of a ♥♥♥♥ move, I didn't realise it was quite that similar.

Completely off topic for this discussion but what happpened to this game? I mean I know youo got that full time job but there has been nothing scince November last year. Have you just not had time to work on it or have you dropped it?

[Nition]

Just have a lot less time now I have another full-time job, but I'm still working on it a bit most days. Definitely not abandoned.

Since the last news post I've put in a new primary firing mode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJVNoWncFjQ

I've also finished all the content for Gauntlet world 1. When I've finished world 2, I'll post a new update again. It's about half done right now. It's got snow and ice: http://i.imgur.com/Arn1Z3v.jpg

Then I've still gotta write the actual proper framework around Gauntlet mode, test it a bunch and tweak things, but then the NEXT update can be an actual game update with an early playable version of Gauntlet mode in it.