[Attention to SE:PR]Very Detailed Information About DRM+Cloud

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

Update Status: (GMT)8 Days Since Launch, No Answer From Their PR.
(Refund Ticket Status: Thinking ATM)

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=576838627

(To Steam Mod/ SE Mod/Dev: I DO NOT SUPPORT CRACK)
Just wanted to add that right there if they think of something else by any accidents.
No, I'm not boycotting the game itself but this needs attention of a patch or announcement of the problems the game is being plague with.

(Date:17/12) New Infomation: Final Fantasy VI has the Always-Online DRM. Warning.
Square Enix, you are playing a Dirty Dangerous Business to you Customer with this type of Policy and Practice. Lying to your consumers without properly informing them that both games needs to be 24/7 Connected to the internet. You are basically punishing your Customers who Legally Bought the game and misinforming them leading to Refunds and spreading negative talks around that people will no longer trust you and/or buy any more of your Products on Steam.


Offline Mode = No Game For You = Money Waste = Leading to Crack(I don't support but being forced upon) or Refund for buying other JRPG/RPG that allows Offline and local save.

This practice has happen to EA SimCity from Maxis and receive huge negative backlash by the Community they had to patch it up removing always Online. It also lead them into being GameOver for the IP so all they get is "The Sims". Even Microsoft when they had the Always-online DRM on their XBOXONE, they receive many backlash and negative critics and lost many Loyalist they had to reverse it. Ubisoft also ditches their Always-Online DRM. This is no longer 2012-2013, the war of Always-Online DRM.
If anyone remembers CD Projekt Red, the Developer shows the problems and the disgust of the DRM. Not the Steam DRM but rather DRM that holds a barrier of Online Pass and Always-Online component that has no related content or impact for a singleplayer game.

EA lost on Always-Online DRM - http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/11/4421314/electronic-arts-talks-drm-and-used-games
Ubisoft lost on Always-Online DRM - http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/05/ubisoft-officially-ditches-always-on-pc-drm
XboxOne lost on Always-Online DRM - http://kotaku.com/microsoft-is-removing-xbox-one-drm-514390310

Every other RPG/JRPG and Previous FF uses: Local Save (Defaulted) + Steam Cloud (Backup Only) > Steam Cloud (Defaulted) - Local Save (Non Existence) : Lightning Returns FF.

Now the problem for this Always-Online DRM is countering with Steam DRM.
Steam itself is already the DRM of which you have legal rights to play the game you have purchased to play Online and Offline. Square Enix on the other hand decided to add their own DRM by using Steam Cloud Only without the use of a Local Save file as every other games uses thus eliminating Steam DRM. This will lead and the promote of "Crack" and I'm saying "Crack" because I don't really much support "it" and not use the "word" as I rather have a "Legit" Purchased and Ownership of "Said" game.

The game itself really has zero and i mean "ZERO" ideas and minds as to why it needs the "Always-Online" just to launch the game. On their notes they quoted "Includes no functionality linked to Square Enix Members or social networking sites" meaning there really is no Online/Multiplayer content to lock it. They just want people to lock up their game files on Steam Cloud. Why? Who knows. They might have the fear of people modding the game files or something to stop "it" but it ended up backfired as people are now "Crack" for "it" which is quite badly what everyone expected and wanted as a last resort measure only. It ended up as being Anti-Consumer and hurts the people who wish to own said purchased.

Created by Me
http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/xmFLQ/beware-of-square-enix-games-on-steam#2ZAyrxd

2nd Thread Discussion: Game has always online drm. Requires steam cloud to play. Please sticky this thread! (Thread has Been Locked due to Unknown Reasons)
By SenMithrarin85
http://steamcommunity.com/app/345350/discussions/0/487876568222951895/?tscn=1450045467

So this is what ended up. "Crack" being able to play "Offline" and uses "Local Save". Paying Customers who purchased the game are being "Laughed" at by "Cracks" force to play with "Always-Online" and the force of "Steam Cloud" thus hurting the consumer. So who is being punish? You are basically punishing the Paying Customers.
Pirates can play offline by `Gen♥
http://steamcommunity.com/app/345350/discussions/0/487876568231518847/

Sorry for Poor Quality. Here is a video of Steam in Offline Mode. You can see I click the game itself and it doesn't open. Task Manager shows nothing of the game being activated and upon multiple clicks, the game still won't activate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8WFKnkAsFk

Now my friend has tested the Online Steam and this time he turns off Steam Cloud. The results ended in according to ingame screenshot and a rough video:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=573209485
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=573507847

So the conclusion was:
Steam online -> cloud saves on -> works normally
Steam online -> cloud saves off -> error message
Steam offline -> cloud saves on/off -> game refuses to load. no errors. no task manager or process list entries.

Confirmed game won't even load unless online by Davoodinator
http://steamcommunity.com/app/345350/discussions/0/487876568225883802/

Also, the game really needs a Mouse Integration support and more resolutions.
Official Please Patch Mouse and Higher Resolutions Into Game Thread by SkylXTumn
http://steamcommunity.com/app/345350/discussions/0/487876568231753657/

Now the only way other way to bring Square Enix attention is to flag the game itself on the Store page by choosing "Legal Violation" and Comment as "Always Online DRM" which is very accurate. Reason is because Steam Cloud is suppose to be Optional choice by many but they decided to force people without the option of Local Save and this actually violates the Reason. They also had to hide the "Steam Cloud is needed to Play this" on the least expected view play at the Specs Recommended area which not many will look when purchasing the game. Why? Below you will see as what Marusama has said.

Quote by Marusama:

Originally posted by Marusame:

About the always online drm, it DOES say requires steam cloud to be enabled but steam cloud is JUST a savegame backup and does NOT require itself to be online. You can run any game with steam cloud offline and even if a game is offline it has the ability through steamworks to tell if it is still checked in the options.

So steam offline mode does NOT work, the game wont even launch even with the steam cloud enabled. So while they are correct in it requireing steam cloud to function in the additional notes below, they forgot to mention it ALSO requires an active online connection to run. These are TWO SEPERATE things, requireing steam cloud does not mean you also require it to always be connected, its just that when it IS connected steam cloud needs to be checked so save games are always backed up.

Square probably thought steam cloud meant always online and it doesnt, and hid this fact away by the notion of steam cloud, however, it does not work this way.

So this game DOES require an ALWAYS ONLINE connection to even work. Since I had to get a refund for it simply not working AND for lying directly to customers faces about always online drm... I simply cannot give this a pass. Pick up the PS3 Version or Xbox 360 Version instead, you CAN play those offline. Though it HAS to be said I gave considerable Benifit of the doubt when I spent the 18$ or so even WITH knowing it might have always online drm.

[Killance]

Patch about what? Aside from the major cities(which consoles had an issue too btw), everything seems to be working just fine. 60 fps, good resolution and so far no glitches.

Just beat the game and I hardly ran into any issues with the game.

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

Originally posted by Killance:

Patch about what? Aside from the major cities(which consoles had an issue too btw), everything seems to be working just fine. 60 fps, good resolution and so far no glitches.

Just beat the game and I hardly ran into any issues with the game.

The Always-Online DRM.....

[Seraphita]

Is there even going to be any? I do not think it will happen at all. I am surprised with all the tweaking they have done, a local saving feature should have been one of those options.

[Killance]

Originally posted by LunarCainEX:

Originally posted by Killance:

Patch about what? Aside from the major cities(which consoles had an issue too btw), everything seems to be working just fine. 60 fps, good resolution and so far no glitches.

Just beat the game and I hardly ran into any issues with the game.

The Always-Online DRM.....

I haven't seen many people post about that. Always online is becoming part of the new gaming age to prevent pirating. I agree it sucks, but it isn't going anywhere from what Square Enix is letting on.

Also just tested. Turned steam on offline mode and booted up Lightning Returns, works fine and not requiring online even after turning steam back to online mode when the game is still running.

[Mochasky]

Mouse integration.
Mouse integration.
Mouse integration.
Mouse integration.
Mouse integration.
Mouse integration.
Mouse integration.
Mouse integration.
Mouse integration.
Mouse integration.

Pretty please :D

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

Originally posted by Killance:

Originally posted by LunarCainEX:

The Always-Online DRM.....

I haven't seen many people post about that. Always online is becoming part of the new gaming age to prevent pirating. I agree it sucks, but it isn't going anywhere from what Square Enix is letting on.

Also just tested. Turned steam on offline mode and booted up Lightning Returns, works fine and not requiring online even after turning steam back to online mode when the game is still running.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lying.
People already tested:
"Steam online -> cloud saves on -> works normally
Steam online -> cloud saves off -> error message
Steam offline -> cloud saves on/off -> game refuses to load. no errors. no task manager or process list entries."

There was a Screenshot and video post also.
Either show us your video proof.

[Killance]

Originally posted by LunarCainEX:

Originally posted by Killance:

I haven't seen many people post about that. Always online is becoming part of the new gaming age to prevent pirating. I agree it sucks, but it isn't going anywhere from what Square Enix is letting on.

Also just tested. Turned steam on offline mode and booted up Lightning Returns, works fine and not requiring online even after turning steam back to online mode when the game is still running.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lying.
People already tested:
"Steam online -> cloud saves on -> works normally
Steam online -> cloud saves off -> error message
Steam offline -> cloud saves on/off -> game refuses to load. no errors. no task manager or process list entries."

There was a Screenshot and video post also.
Either show us your video proof.

1. I don't know how to make videos without the proper programs and I don't see how a Screenshot will prove anything.
2. Remember the forums are the minority. Just because a few can't doesn't mean everyone else can't.

Anyways, sleep time for me so respond all you like, won't be responding again or in the very least anytime soon.

[Seraphita]

I have to agree with Lunar. If you have evidence to support your claim, present it now.

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

Originally posted by Killance:

Originally posted by LunarCainEX:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lying.
People already tested:
"Steam online -> cloud saves on -> works normally
Steam online -> cloud saves off -> error message
Steam offline -> cloud saves on/off -> game refuses to load. no errors. no task manager or process list entries."

There was a Screenshot and video post also.
Either show us your video proof.

1. I don't know how to make videos without the proper programs and I don't see how a Screenshot will prove anything.
2. Remember the forums are the minority. Just because a few can't doesn't mean everyone else can't.

Anyways, sleep time for me so respond all you like, won't be responding again or in the very least anytime soon.

Troller. This guy supports the Always Online DRM just to play a singleplayer game.

[Mochasky]

I will sell part of my 魂 (tamashii) for mouse integration.

[Dzaka]

hey OP.. they won't patch that out.. its there... live with it... it shouldn't be a problem unless your net sucks hard

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

Originally posted by Dzaka:

hey OP.. they won't patch that out.. its there... live with it... it shouldn't be a problem unless your net sucks hard

You also fail to see the point.
Lets see if all games does this.
I am working in my office and decided to play a game during my break. No internet connection. Can't play anything.
People who are travalling on a plane or any travel matters and wants to play a game. Nope. Please find internet.
Students taking a break waiting for next class and wants to play game. Nope. Get Internet.

Now I don't like Piracy very much but in this case, SE is forcing people to get a crack just to play this "Offline". Every single other RPG/JRPG example, Mugen Souls, Tales of Zesteria, Way of the Samurai 4, Agarest Series, Dragon Quest Heroes, Previous FF titles etc etc. You can clearly play them all Offline and they utilized Local Save as Default and Cloud Save as back up. But in this case its Steam Cloud Default and Local Save "ZERO"

[XCTS1]

No mouse control sucks, it's clumsy to turn camera using keyboard :(

[Shylaar]

Originally posted by Killance:

I haven't seen many people post about that.

Yeah, I know the single biggest thread in this forum is really easy to miss.

[Dzaka]

Originally posted by LunarCainEX:

Originally posted by Dzaka:

hey OP.. they won't patch that out.. its there... live with it... it shouldn't be a problem unless your net sucks hard

You also fail to see the point.
Lets see if all games does this.
I am working in my office and decided to play a game during my break. No internet connection. Can't play anything.
People who are travalling on a plane or any travel matters and wants to play a game. Nope. Please find internet.
Students taking a break waiting for next class and wants to play game. Nope. Get Internet.

Now I don't like Piracy very much but in this case, SE is forcing people to get a crack just to play this "Offline". Every single other RPG/JRPG example, Mugen Souls, Tales of Zesteria, Way of the Samurai 4, Agarest Series, Dragon Quest Heroes, Previous FF titles etc etc. You can clearly play them all Offline and they utilized Local Save as Default and Cloud Save as back up. But in this case its Steam Cloud Default and Local Save "ZERO"

there's plenty of games i can't play when i don't have net.. i just play something else.. its that simple