annnnd time to uninstall.....

[MADNESSXD11]

played this ages ago and though it was awsome wasent compleate at that time though, come back and some tramp in a cave is hitting 40+ on me lol arrows are better then bullets apparently wtf is this crummy game

this game = reload simulator

[Nalkor]

Chances are you wandered into an area that's higher level, or maybe it's a Lurker ambushing you and you're standing in a lit area. ♥♥♥♥ like that would happen back in older cRPGs too. The bolts are hitting you that hard likely due to critical hits or the Ambush talent modifying damage. Instead of whining like someone who has no idea that Underrail is an old-school cRPG, you could go into further detail on the circumstances for why you got your ass handed to you. Tell us your build, armor included, and maybe a couple of screenshots.

[MADNESSXD11]

Originally posted by Nalkor:

Chances are you wandered into an area that's higher level, or maybe it's a Lurker ambushing you and you're standing in a lit area. ♥♥♥♥ like that would happen back in older cRPGs too. The bolts are hitting you that hard likely due to critical hits or the Ambush talent modifying damage. Instead of whining like someone who has no idea that Underrail is an old-school cRPG, you could go into further detail on the circumstances for why you got your ass handed to you. Tell us your build, armor included, and maybe a couple of screenshots.

stfu. im talking straight off the bat the crummy dude in the Taking back the outpost quest. who i killed straight away with a grenade after he shot me, im just pointing out the fact a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crossbow is hitting high 30s while gun are hitting for like 24 max at the start of the game.
and the assault rifle is doing like 40+ still doint see how a crossbow is on the same level as an assault rifle.....

admitadly i was abit salty at the time lol, if im doing poor damage with guns i must be doing somthing wrong maybe
base stats at level 5 are str:4 dex: 6 agilaty:7 con: 7 per:4 will:7 int: 6

[Karol13]

Enemies are not taken down by plain stats/skills. Enemies are usually buffed over the players stats - for one reason : human player can always outsmart them (using save/load)

Damage usually is based on skill - while player's skills are pretty low, so no matter what weapon players really uses (sledge, crossbow, automatic rifle, sniper rifle) it will be always weaker compared on the pre-made enemies.

Preparing traps, right usage of right grenades, hit-n-run or plain "I will get you later"... it is about the infinite options. One may say "but how should I outsmart 5 burrowers who surrounded me?" - yeah, you should have avoided that situation to happen.
Or "there are not enough skill points to become jack-of-all-trades, I just can't use 2 different weapons + traps + stealth + grenades + medicine + special powers" - right, from the all usefull skills one has to choose only few. And even these few do not have often high enough level to allow all cool stuff (many weapons have high minimum requirement, special powers are not cheap are the most basic ones require skill level of 25 and more...) but fact that player can start a fight over and over again - leaves us with statement -> this game does not limit you, your own imagination does.
I did go through character creation multiple times, and when I invested into throwing, I was missing crossbows or guns, when I chose 2 ranged skills, I had not enough to invest into melee and without good melee - I wasted resources on ammo. Especially grenades are very valuable.
And special powers are the worst - not only they require PSI, they have even cooldowns... till Today I have not found the perfect build, but I found a solution for each fight (sometimes I ended up rage-quitting and also wanting to uninstall .. but as this happenned later in the game, I always felt that I invested too much time in this game to just give up. Probably if I would miserably fail on first few fights - I would also unistall. )

Do not give up, the true joy comes from solving seemingly impossible puzzles / fights.

[Qiox]

Originally posted by MADNESSXD11:

Originally posted by Nalkor:

Chances are you wandered into an area that's higher level, or maybe it's a Lurker ambushing you and you're standing in a lit area. ♥♥♥♥ like that would happen back in older cRPGs too. The bolts are hitting you that hard likely due to critical hits or the Ambush talent modifying damage. Instead of whining like someone who has no idea that Underrail is an old-school cRPG, you could go into further detail on the circumstances for why you got your ass handed to you. Tell us your build, armor included, and maybe a couple of screenshots.

stfu. im talking straight off the bat the crummy dude in the Taking back the outpost quest. who i killed straight away with a grenade after he shot me, im just pointing out the fact a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crossbow is hitting high 30s while gun are hitting for like 24 max at the start of the game.
and the assault rifle is doing like 40+ still doint see how a crossbow is on the same level as an assault rifle.....

admitadly i was abit salty at the time lol, if im doing poor damage with guns i must be doing somthing wrong maybe
base stats at level 5 are str:4 dex: 6 agilaty:7 con: 7 per:4 will:7 int: 6

It is a strategy game. You are expected to make strategic decisions.

For example, this is your first opportunity to learn what happens when you shoot an explosive barrel with your gun.

And if you use the least bit of strategic thinking, you will take that shot when the dude with the crossbow and his rats are standing beside it.

There's actually no reason for that guy to ever even take a single shot at you. They purposefully give you a narrow path from the exploding barrel with 90 degree turns in it so that after you get his attention, you can move away without ever leaving him with a line-of-sight shot at you.

This encounter was your 1st test to see if you can use some strategic planning.

You failed.

[Altos]

Qiox, please stop. You're being a jerk. I don't want this thread to devolve into a flame war.
And MADNESSXD11, while I do understand your point that a crossbow bolt should realistically never do more damage than a bullet, please remember that this is just a simple turn-based RPG, and the balancing of gameplay and realism must always be skewed towards improved gameplay.
Thank you both.

[Nalkor]

Originally posted by Altos:

Qiox, please stop. You're being a jerk. I don't want this thread to devolve into a flame war.
And MADNESSXD11, while I do understand your point that a crossbow bolt should realistically never do more damage than a bullet, please remember that this is just a simple turn-based RPG, and the balancing of gameplay and realism must always be skewed towards improved gameplay.
Thank you both.

Keep in mind, you start the game with either a knife, a crossbow, or a 5mm Hawker. A 5mm handgun, one that's not in the best shape to begin with, isn't going to be particularly deadly compared to higher calibre rounds.

[Qiox]

Originally posted by Altos:

Qiox, please stop. You're being a jerk. I don't want this thread to devolve into a flame war.
And MADNESSXD11, while I do understand your point that a crossbow bolt should realistically never do more damage than a bullet, please remember that this is just a simple turn-based RPG, and the balancing of gameplay and realism must always be skewed towards improved gameplay.
Thank you both.

Nothing you said is relevant to helping them improve their gameplay.

What I gave was actual advice relevant to the exact situation they were in that would hopefully shift their mindset towards a greater tactical awareness of the situations they encounter in the game.

But hey, if you prefer to make useless comments about real-life vs video games and offer no actual advice relevant to the game, while insulting me, then go ahead.

If that's all you have to offer then so be it.

[Fenix-Venix]

Actually crossbows and bows in reallife are quite deadly weapon, also completely silent.

You know, arrow is big and it stays in the wound till it removed, also bulletproof vests doesn't work against arrows or bolts.

[Stryker]

Originally posted by Fenix-Venix:

Actually crossbows and bows in reallife are quite deadly weapon, also completely silent.

You know, arrow is big and it stays in the wound till it removed, also bulletproof vests doesn't work against arrows or bolts.

Completely silent, huh? Guess you've never use a crossbow in real life.

[Nalkor]

Originally posted by Strykerx88:

Originally posted by Fenix-Venix:

Actually crossbows and bows in reallife are quite deadly weapon, also completely silent.

You know, arrow is big and it stays in the wound till it removed, also bulletproof vests doesn't work against arrows or bolts.

Completely silent, huh? Guess you've never use a crossbow in real life.

Of course they're not completely silent, they do have some mechanical parts that make quite a bit of noise when used. When compared to a gun being fired, they are rather quiet.

[Stryker]

Originally posted by Nalkor:

Originally posted by Strykerx88:

Completely silent, huh? Guess you've never use a crossbow in real life.

Of course they're not completely silent, they do have some mechanical parts that make quite a bit of noise when used. When compared to a gun being fired, they are rather quiet.

Like THUNK, then sweeeeeeeeeeeeeee, SCHK, "aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhh I'm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dyiiiiiiiiiiing piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiss"

[Nalkor]

Originally posted by Strykerx88:

Originally posted by Nalkor:

Of course they're not completely silent, they do have some mechanical parts that make quite a bit of noise when used. When compared to a gun being fired, they are rather quiet.

Like THUNK, then sweeeeeeeeeeeeeee, SCHK, "aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhh I'm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dyiiiiiiiiiiing piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiss"

That's if you pull the bolt out of the wound and unless it's the kind that is more dangerous the longer it stays in (serrated, acidic, shock, etc. and that's only in-game) than it's better to leave it alone. I think the THUNK noise in the game is just an audio cue as to what type of weapon is being used.

[Stryker]

Originally posted by Nalkor:

Originally posted by Strykerx88:

Like THUNK, then sweeeeeeeeeeeeeee, SCHK, "aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhh I'm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dyiiiiiiiiiiing piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiss"

That's if you pull the bolt out of the wound and unless it's the kind that is more dangerous the longer it stays in (serrated, acidic, shock, etc. and that's only in-game) than it's better to leave it alone. I think the THUNK noise in the game is just an audio cue as to what type of weapon is being used.

Talking about IRL.

[Nalkor]

Originally posted by Strykerx88:

Originally posted by Nalkor:

That's if you pull the bolt out of the wound and unless it's the kind that is more dangerous the longer it stays in (serrated, acidic, shock, etc. and that's only in-game) than it's better to leave it alone. I think the THUNK noise in the game is just an audio cue as to what type of weapon is being used.

Talking about IRL.

We're talking about a game here. If I wanted to discuss the lethality of crossbow bolts in real life, I wouldn't do it on a Steam forum. Also in real life, pulling a bolt out is still an extremely bad idea because once it's lodged in, the damage is done and the bolt is preventing greater blood loss. If they hit a non-vital area and you keep it in, you'll be fine once you get some medical attention, maybe even a cool-looking scar out of the whole thing.

[Stryker]

Originally posted by Nalkor:

Originally posted by Strykerx88:

Talking about IRL.

We're talking about a game here. If I wanted to discuss the lethality of crossbow bolts in real life, I wouldn't do it on a Steam forum. Also in real life, pulling a bolt out is still an extremely bad idea because once it's lodged in, the damage is done and the bolt is preventing greater blood loss. If they hit a non-vital area and you keep it in, you'll be fine once you get some medical attention, maybe even a cool-looking scar out of the whole thing.

Scroll up a bit.